Electronic cigarette

As some may know i recently tried Champix and me feel sick and aggresive

I was going to try patches and inhalator but been doing some research on e cigs...

I tried them about 2 years ago and wasnt very good....but it seems like everything tech moves on and they look damn good

My research has led to me ordering the screwdriver Mk2 and some extra liquid(the kit comes with 18mg strentgh nic liquid....ive orderd some 24 mg menthol liquid as well:eek:

part of me says vaping is not quitting per se and diffrent to other NRT but if it gets me off normal fags i aint moaning

The kit with extra liquid and carts was £68:o

It appears to generate more vapour than i get from my camel blues:eek:

A video of the screwdriver here.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EysT5P7Mryg

Wot do folks think ? its not really giving up smoking though is it.....i feel im cheating myself.....but its a start i suppose:o

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  • Wot do folks think ? its not really giving up smoking though is it.....i feel im cheating myself.....but its a start i suppose:o

    The bottom line depends on what you're trying to achieve.

    An e-cig will mean never withdrawing from nicotine and its associated issues and you can, in effect, maintain your habit without consuming all those other products of combustion.

    The same could be achieved by switching to oral tobacco though?

    Your compulsive smoking habit will simply become a compulsive vaping habit, assuming your brain goes along with it.

    The biggest hurdle I see is that it it so close to still smoking that any trauma may have you straight back on the fags?

  • Hi,

    Quite a few of my colleagues are in the process of quitting.

    One gave up 11 weeks ago and used the ecig for 4 weeks before stopping completely. Two others are now following.

    I'd say, whatever works for you! Got to be better than the alternative!

  • Man up - Stop smoking cold turkey and never smoke again - it's that simple.

    During your first 3-4 weeks stay away from your triggers like alcohol, tea/coffee etc. Start some form of exercise and after 6 weeks you should be feeling great.

    Why would you want to quit smoking but then go and buy a cigarette device and still administor nicotone in your body? just doesnt make sense.

  • Francob, where did you get your medical degree from???? Cold turkey is not suitable for everyone. When I tried it I physically assaulted a Big Issue seller in the street because I was so crazy. And that is not me at all. Please leave us all alone to deal with our quits in our own way. I am scared to come on this forum because I know you will be here shoving cold turkey down my throat. This forum used to be a safe haven for me but no longer. You have become a smoking trigger for me now and that ain't right.

    Zoe

  • Francob, where did you get your medical degree from???? Cold turkey is not suitable for everyone. When I tried it I physically assaulted a Big Issue seller in the street because I was so crazy. And that is not me at all. Please leave us all alone to deal with our quits in our own way. I am scared to come on this forum because I know you will be here shoving cold turkey down my throat. This forum used to be a safe haven for me but no longer. You have become a smoking trigger for me now and that ain't right.

    Zoe

    Agreed .....hence why aint been on here....see my next post;)

  • Man up - Stop smoking cold turkey and never smoke again - it's that simple.

    During your first 3-4 weeks stay away from your triggers like alcohol, tea/coffee etc. Start some form of exercise and after 6 weeks you should be feeling great.

    Why would you want to quit smoking but then go and buy a cigarette device and still administor nicotone in your body? just doesnt make sense.

    Go f@ck yourself....with your man up comments...

    I havent had a "****ogue ciggarette" for 2 days now im more than happy vaping away....in fact its more enjoyable than normal fags...

    And yes i know its not giving up...but hey im not stressed..climbing the walls and feeling better and im not killing myself;)

    Its no diffrent than people who chew NRT gum for years

    Im sat here with a nice glass of wine vaping a nice Bonoffee pie flavour...im very happy....im not a smoker ....im a vaper...

    Man up you bell end:rolleyes:

  • Well said HE :D

    It's each unto their own on here :D

    TC,

    Zoe :D

  • When I tried it I physically assaulted a Big Issue seller in the street because I was so crazy.

    Zoe

    Is that what they shout?? I've felt like screaming back at them "why on earth do I want to buy a bigger shoe???" :D

  • Go f@ck yourself....with your man up comments...

    I havent had a "****ogue ciggarette" for 2 days now im more than happy vaping away....in fact its more enjoyable than normal fags...

    And yes i know its not giving up...but hey im not stressed..climbing the walls and feeling better and im not killing myself;)

    Its no diffrent than people who chew NRT gum for years

    Im sat here with a nice glass of wine vaping a nice Bonoffee pie flavour...im very happy....im not a smoker ....im a vaper...

    Man up you bell end:rolleyes:

    Couldn't have put it better.

  • Its your quit.

    Hi He,

    I'm so glad you have found a quitting strategy that YOU are happy with and one that works for you. Been watching your posts with interest and I know how much you want to quit.

    I am in total agreement with the majority of people on this forum who believe that a quit its a personal thing and HOW you choose is PERSONAL to you. It's just a shame that there are exceptions to this on this forum and those who take the self righteous, judgemental stance..real pity. It's just what support and understanding is NOT about.

    Hope you are doing well, you sound a lot more positive and I'll bet your dog is a whole lot happier too.

    Very Best and good luck.

    Pammie.

  • That was right funny you lot. man up bell end. But i also hate it whem you see some GOD ALMIGHTY PERSON who thinks cold turk is ok for all. We all have our ways and if takes to having NRT then we stick with it its better for us. I start my quit again on 7th feb at clinic but whatever method i go il stick with NRT AS NRT RULES. jacqui

  • Personally I thought the "man up" comment was piss funny...not necessarily right but very humourous. And had enoughs response was even funnier. FUnny how different people take things differently. The human race is definately ace.

    :)

  • Hi All

    Day four haven't even craved a fag......im loving my ecigs....just bought another and a load of liquid(strawberrys and cream\cappuchino\arctic berry)

    For me after all failed attempts before ....this is 2 easy......in fact ive already had cut down the strentgh of nic in the liquid as i was floating...

    had a load of red wine last night ecig was fine and the OH was puffing away on real fags...didnt bovver me at all...although i have started to notice they smell hideous

    I think im just gonna carry on vaping away....its no diffrent than wearing patches...and i know i wont have a relapse...these things are that good....im shocked at how good....

    Good luck everyone with your quits......whatever method your using:)

    At the end of the day every cripples got a diffrent way of walking:)

  • At the end of the day every cripples got a diffrent way of walking

    You make me piss....glad you've found your method :)

    Vaping sounds ace....but I'm not gonna try it now.

    Good luck and stay with the quit. Real fags do smell horrendous and I can't believe I used to smell so bad... my family, friends and work colleagues were too kind to say I smelt horrid :(

    Lisa x

  • Haaaha! i like that, funny...big issue i mean

  • Was the FUnny planned? If yes = magic :D If no it was still magic.

  • Well another days passed stress free just loaded up the gadget for tomorow for work....one camel flavored 36mg of nic for the morning temeptations...and a menthol 24 mg of nic for a milder vape:D

    The OH has been told shes smoking outside from tomorow.....they fooking stink

    Stay strong folks......pay days approaching some nice new flavours will be coming my way:)

    For people that are struggling on other methods ...give ecigs ago,,,,but get a good one not a w@nky thing from tescos....

    If anyone wants any advice please let me know

    Happy days:D

  • Go f@ck yourself....with your man up comments...

    I havent had a "****ogue ciggarette" for 2 days now im more than happy vaping away....in fact its more enjoyable than normal fags...

    And yes i know its not giving up...but hey im not stressed..climbing the walls and feeling better and im not killing myself;)

    Its no diffrent than people who chew NRT gum for years

    Im sat here with a nice glass of wine vaping a nice Bonoffee pie flavour...im very happy....im not a smoker ....im a vaper...

    Man up you bell end:rolleyes:

    Hahahaha brilliant, vaping just sounds extremely gay.

    You'll be back on the fags within 2 months, all the best though.

  • Francob, where did you get your medical degree from???? Cold turkey is not suitable for everyone. When I tried it I physically assaulted a Big Issue seller in the street because I was so crazy. And that is not me at all. Please leave us all alone to deal with our quits in our own way. I am scared to come on this forum because I know you will be here shoving cold turkey down my throat. This forum used to be a safe haven for me but no longer. You have become a smoking trigger for me now and that ain't right.

    Zoe

    Seriously Zoe, go and find a mirror and have a good word with yourself.

    How can I possibly be a smoking trigger for you ? You are scared to come on to a forum because of another members opinions ?

    If ever a "man up" comment was needed it is now, lol.

    I could say stop throwing NRT/Champix down my throat - "Oh no I better not check the forum out today just in case Zoe is telling people to use NRT !! If I do It might end up being a trigger and ill smoke" Please, what world are you living in?

  • Any need?

    To put the rest of the wonderful people of this forum down Francob?

    Your quit guys no one else's, opnions are fine provided you're not shoving them down someone elses throat

    Keep positive you lovely people

    Big hugs

    x

  • Crikey....if you were all carp (yes the fish)...you'd be in Francob's keepnet :D.

  • Thanks Lisa for your words, never been in a net strung on wire hoops and sealed at one end, suspended in water by anglers to keep alive the fish they have caught :D

    Have made a monumental decision to leave this forum today, since being supportive and showing kindness and caring isn't required.

    Good luck all with your quit and keep positive :)

  • SaraM

    Day 127:

    For what its worth:

    Stay on the forum, give the support and show kindness, it's members like you that make this forum what it is. I value your support.

    keep the faith

  • Have made a monumental decision to leave this forum today, since being supportive and showing kindness and caring isn't required.

    Good luck all with your quit and keep positive :)

    Sara,

    Please don't make too rash a decision. The Forum is full of all sorts and then one finds that they too post....and that forms it's character.

    I mentioned this to another quite recently:

    a) the forum belongs to the membership,

    b) we are the membership.

    Stick around cos I think that there's more to be gained from doing so than not.

    However, it is your decision and if it remains that you wish to leave then best wishes with your quit.

    Regards,

    Cav

  • Sara, sorry if I've offended you...my post was not mean't to do that. All I wanted to point out was that if you were a fish you'd have been caught....if you give francob the attention then he'll continue to try and get a rise out of people (sorry francob, but you do)...Just ignore the comments if you don't agree with them. I felt like you a while ago and realised I was being a bit sensitive probably due to my quit. I'm glad I stayed around though.

    Lisa x

  • Nothing changes.

    It's what I love about this place. :D

  • Nothing changes.

    It's what I love about this place.

    I'm starting to see a pattern myself...:)

  • No offence taking Lisa.

    I am not intentionally trying to get a rise out of people it is just that some people are wound so tightly and after a while they explode just because I have a certain opinion or way of thinking.

    It is not I disagree with anyone else’s methods of quitting or staying quit it is just that I believe a certain was in genuinely better, particularly long term.

    Nobody has to take my advice on board as I do not take others advice on board but for people like Zoe and Sara to throw their toys out of the pram just because I advocate CT is just mind boggling - Most things I say are with a pinch of salt especially the "man up" comment but they are taken literally but certain people.

    If I honestly have that much of a negative effect on some people then I would suggest not leaving the forum but just ignore me as I am sure many others do.

    I personally use this site because there are a small amount of people who are ahead of me in my quit and these people help inspire and reassure me. At the same time there are people on here who I don't agree with - You don't see me complaining.

    On a final note I hope you are all having a pleasant day especially Zoe and Sara x

  • Day 127:

    Keep calm, deep breaths...............

    And yes Lisa, there is a pattern

  • Hi Sara

    of course it's your decision, but i'm only on day 8 and i'm needing the support and posts on this forum a lot at this stage. The lovely calm quiet "matriarchs" of the forum like yourself, Mrs T and Carol may not post that often, but they just keep the gentle encouragement going.

    I'm happy to observe all the more macho stuff going on in posts at the moment, but it does need the other side from people more established in their quit, and who are just steady.

    There is a lot of support from people at the same stage in their quit....but they are more vulnerable, like me, to randomly starting again, so can disappear overnight.

    I'm quite a strong lady, but not ashamed to say i think this forum and the quiet encouragement from those who have been quit a while, has probably got me this far.

  • There is a lot of support from people at the same stage in their quit....but they are more vulnerable, like me, to randomly starting again, so can disappear overnight.

    The forum is merely the sum of its parts. Sometimes it’s busy and aggressive; sometimes it’s quiet, soft and cuddly. Statistically there’s less than a 1 in 10 chance of becoming a year old quitter no matter what method you choose. A new ‘product’ may claim increased success early on but by 12 months the old less than 10% status quo will have been restored. The NHS have already had their wrists slapped over the “4 times more likely” and “doubling your chances” nonsense but here on the NSD forum there’s the gut feeling that we achieve better than the national 10% or less.

    It’s hard to get the true data as to how many join and what percentage remain quit at 12 months and for all I know we may be completely deluded over the successes. Either way, it’s a public forum and that brings with it the ups and downs of opinions, facts, spammers, trolls, cat photos, The Church of Allen Carr, E-Cigs, the war on NRT and a lovely picture of the gorgeous Helen.

    Don’t let it get under your skin. Use it as you see fit and use the bits you agree with whilst ignoring the bits you don’t. Just try to be sympathetic to other people’s opinions even if they appear to be from another planet.

    It's not always happy and bouncy but that doesn't mean it isn't working! ;)

  • E cigarettes

    E cigarettes can't be all bad. Nicotine is not a carcinogen so changing the mode of delivery has got to be a good thing. It's the tobacco cigarettes themselves that cause the cancer. So E cigarettes do make sense; that can't be denied.

    Cold turkey is not going to suit everyone. For some people, going cold turkey will increase mental health issues since there is dopamine involved. Surely, because of the variables involved in smoking it is a nonsense to dictate which is the "best" way to quit.

  • Oh Sara i hope you dont walk away as the forum can be a great support when things are not going as well as they might. Francob is passionate about "CT" and doesn't seem able to accept that some of us need rather more help. Just read his posts (or not) and move on. I think the discussions make for an interesting forum and all opinions are valid. There is a pattern where Francob or someone else seems to want to deliberately antagonise the more vulnerable people here but so it is in life. Please re consider but if you dont come back, good luck for a continued quit x:)

    Hi Una,

    I honestly do not come on to this forum to intentionally wind people up, I promise you that I'm not deliberately antagonising people, this is not my agenda here at all.

    I merely like to offer my opinion or belief and play devil’s advocate in certain situations but this doesn't mean that I do not understand and listen to what other users are saying or experiencing.

    Let me give you an example;

    Let’s say someone has posted something along the lines of "Champix has not worked for me, I feel terrible and I have smoked" or "Been using NRT for a couple of months, lowered my dose and now I've smoked"

    When I see these I will jump on them and say things like "Man up" "Go CT" "Quitting is easy if you change mind-set" "Why continue to put nicotine in your systems, it defies logic"

    These points above are not meant to be offensive or aggressive, they are purely my way of suggesting trying the way I found works. Sparking debate and making people think. Surely this is the fundamental point of a "Forum"

  • These points above are not meant to be offensive or aggressive, they are purely my way of suggesting trying the way I found works. Sparking debate and making people think. Surely this is the fundamental point of a "Forum"

    They are however, kicking someone when they are already down or extremely vunerable.

    If you read some of the posts on here, there are a fair few people with mental health issues that have become heightened during thier quit. Your insensitive and sometimes frankly nasty comments could put someone over the edge.

    Even people without mental health issues could be dissuaded from continuing/restarting their quit...why do that when the only reason we are all on here is to stop smoking!!

  • They are however, kicking someone when they are already down or extremely vunerable.

    If you read some of the posts on here, there are a fair few people with mental health issues that have become heightened during thier quit. Your insensitive and sometimes frankly nasty comments could put someone over the edge.

    Even people without mental health issues could be dissuaded from continuing/restarting their quit...why do that when the only reason we are all on here is to stop smoking!!

    Well Dave as it happens I too have "mental health issues" Have suffered with depression & anxiety for most of my 20's and in fact now seeing a counsellor on a weekly basis, I for one fully understand the implications but I simply cannot agree that any of my comments are "nasty".

    I am simply showing a little "tough love" because I believe that pussy footing around does not always work.

    Frankly Dave - I am fed up of being made out to be the bad guy just because I speak a little bluntly sometimes.

  • They are however, kicking someone when they are already down or extremely vunerable.

    In fact Dave, with regards to your above comment - I challenge you to find a comment that I have made which you consider be to be "kicking someone when they are down"

    Post each comment you feel falls under that bracket and I'll explain each one to you, If I cannot I will hold my hands up and admit I may have been a bit harsh and apologise to the individual directly.

  • Tactless!!!

    Hi Francob

    I think that what you said to "had enough" was quite insensitive

    Quote:

    "Hahahaha brilliant, vaping just sounds extremely gay."

    People don't like to be laughed at unless they're being intentionally funny. It takes a bit of courage to reveal something about yourself & "had enough" was telling us about their experiences with nicotine.

  • Hi Francob

    I think that what you said to "had enough" was quite insensitive

    Quote:

    "Hahahaha brilliant, vaping just sounds extremely gay."

    People don't like to be laughed at unless they're being intentionally funny. It takes a bit of courage to reveal something about yourself & "had enough" was telling us about their experiences with nicotine.

    Insensitive maybe but aggressive or nasty no !!

    Nonico - A question for you, if you find someone funny but they do not mean to be, can you honestly say you do not laugh?

    Secondly, he did call me a "bell end" and although that was meant as an insult i simply laughed at it. ;)

    Oh and I forgot he also told me to "go f**k myself" - So who is the aggressor here ?

  • Just re-read your contributions to this thread and various members reactions to them. :(

    'Tough love' is for those stuck in the forties and fifties. Being pleasant and supportive doesn't cost anything.

    I happen to agree with you re cold turkey (took me a week to realise) and changing mindsets - it doesn't make any other method any less valid. Latest stats point to 7% success rate after a year whatever the method.

  • Just re-read your contributions to this thread and various members reactions to them. :(

    'Tough love' is for those stuck in the forties and fifties. Being pleasant and supportive doesn't cost anything.

    I happen to agree with you re cold turkey (took me a week to realise) and changing mindsets - it doesn't make any other method any less valid. Latest stats point to 7% success rate after a year whatever the method.

    I have just re-read every every post I have contributed to this site and with the exception of a few they are fair, concise and simply my opinion.

    Maybe "tough love" is the wrong description but I see nothing wrong in being to the point with people.

  • It's not what you say......

    Hi Francob

    In answer to your question I can honestly say I don't laugh if I have assessed to context of the situation and decided that to laugh is not appropriate. I guess it boils down to having empathy with the other person.

    Yes, "had enough" did say those things to you but "had enough" was retaliating; they didn't start off that way. Many would say that you provoked "had enough".

    You are obviously a very sensitive person because you genuinely seem to be concerned about the reaction you receive from people. it's not what you say so much as the manner in which you say it. Maybe it's a communication problem.

  • Hi Francob

    In answer to your question I can honestly say I don't laugh if I have assessed to context of the situation and decided that to laugh is not appropriate. I guess it boils down to having empathy with the other person.

    Yes, "had enough" did say those things to you but "had enough" was retaliating; they didn't start off that way. Many would say that you provoked "had enough".

    You are obviously a very sensitive person because you genuinely seem to be concerned about the reaction you receive from people. it's not what you say so much as the manner in which you say it. Maybe it's a communication problem.

    Hi Nonico,

    So you honestly think that "had enoughs" response to my original post (see below) is warranted ? I have not provoked that kind of response in my opinion.

    "Man up - Stop smoking cold turkey and never smoke again - it's that simple.

    During your first 3-4 weeks stay away from your triggers like alcohol, tea/coffee etc. Start some form of exercise and after 6 weeks you should be feeling great.

    Why would you want to quit smoking but then go and buy a cigarette device and still administer nicotine in your body? just doesn’t make sense."

  • Inflammatory remarks!!

    Hi Francob

    Yes, I think most people would find -

    "Man up - Stop smoking cold turkey and never smoke again - it's that simple."

    to be "fighting words".

    Stopping smoking may be "simple" but it's not easy!!

    Then you went on to tell "had enough" that his/her behaviour didn't make sense!! Wow!! We are all on this forum in the first place because our behaviour didn't make sense - we were smokers!!

    You can't fix something with logic if it wasn't put there by logic in the first place. People don't smoke due to logical reasons & their quitting will not follow your logic. Everyone has their own journey.

  • Hi Francob

    Yes, I think most people would find -

    "Man up - Stop smoking cold turkey and never smoke again - it's that simple."

    to be "fighting words".

    Stopping smoking may be "simple" but it's not easy!!

    Then you went on to tell "had enough" that his/her behaviour didn't make sense!! Wow!! We are all on this forum in the first place because our behaviour didn't make sense - we were smokers!!

    You can't fix something with logic if it wasn't put there by logic in the first place. People don't smoke due to logical reasons & their quitting will not follow your logic. Everyone has their own journey.

    We are all different and react to things in different ways and I for one will not change the way I put things. My comments are no way meant to be "fighting talk". You are entitled to your opinion but I cannot agree that being told to "go f**k myself" and being called "a bellend" is a fair response to my original post.

  • We are all different and react to things in different ways and I for one will not change the way I put things. My comments are no way meant to be "fighting talk". You are entitled to your opinion but I cannot agree that being told to "go f**k myself" and being called "a bellend" is a fair response to my original post.

    like i said in a previous post "every Cripple has a different way of walking" for you to come on here pontificating about Cold turkey being the only way blah blah..and mocking others with your tone...telling me to "man up" ,,vaping is gay...i just don't like your tone im afraid....

    Some people on here may be offended by your attitude....im not ...i just think your a sanctimonious bellend:D

    And remember opinions are like bumholes everones got one....

  • I joined this forum to gain insight\ camaraderie among other folk who were looking for the same;)

    I cant be done with back bighting....my methods better than yours blah blah...

    Im off and on to forums where the banter is fun,people have a laugh and dont bang on and on and on

    Good luck all with your quits

    see ya:)

  • Heehee Mark you're a "bell end" this week :D.

    That did make me laugh (I know francob would also have seen the funny side)

    I just come on here to see who you've upset this week and chuckle at whatever names you've been called ;)

    Don't take offence at our francob, he's really very lovely and sometimes very funny when he's not advocating CT ;)

  • Hey I felt the same earlier today but truly you/we this forum is bigger than one person, stay and be here with us I truly know how u are feeling. I have decided to stay because of people like u who get me through this journeys

  • Good for you Sara, don't let other people put you off it's your forum too!

    Personally I am just staying quit (used NRT) just to prove to my fellow Sep quitters that it can be done. You see, sometimes even the francob's of the world serve a purpose on here if not just to make me indignant that I will show everyone I can successfully quit using NRT. I moan I am still addicted to my puffer and they say "you should have done CT" I just poke my tongue out and say aw sod off you lot I'm still quit "whatever" !! :p

  • Group hug anyone...or drunken "I love you"?

    X

  • I ruv you too Lisa hic.....hic....!!

  • Aww count me in xxx

  • Oh una.........:D

  • Well what is it, sorry??:)

    have PM'd you x

  • ROPMSL

    That's rolling over pissing myself laughing una LOL!

    My friend from canada didn't know what one was as well...ha ha ha. Unsmutted christian...until she met me. She was swearing like a trooper but I told her different meanings than what the swear words mean't LOL! She is a good sport.

    P.S. No...I loooove you more!

  • Got it ....oh dear. Thank you:)

    Sh1t...*heads back out the door*

  • Cav.......oh Caaaaaavvvv......where are you ???:D

  • You've got a bell end una? No wonder Cav's gone running.

  • I'm sorry guys, but Franco is correct, and 'had enough' what gives you the right to be so rude to the guy? After all, you set yourself up for that by asking the question in an open forum, you have to respect others views, even more so when you asked for them.

    At the end of the day, anything but cold turkey is prolonging the agony. It's how you deal with it.

    Zoe, you sound like you're just looking for excuses..

    I went CT, after 3 days there is no niccy in your system, job done, then it's just re-adjustment.

    NRT is lauded by all those that benefit from it, it is truely a devil in disguide.

  • At the end of the day, anything but cold turkey is prolonging the agony. It's how you deal with it.

    I went CT, after 3 days there is no niccy in your system, job done, then it's just re-adjustment.

    NRT is lauded by all those that benefit from it, it is truely a devil in disguide.

    And then me being here for over 4 years I've seen many quit NRT and Champix*. Some of them I'm in touch with in the real world and others float by every now and again. They all say that they continue to be quit.

    Knowing that they aren't mere aberrations I assume that the biggest and most helpful solution is education.

    Use whatever starter quit you wish but then Educate yourself to a successful quit.

    I abridged your post here in my quote because I didn't think it appropriate to continue to castigate various members. Possibly that should be embraced by those that have issues against other members who don't share their personal views.

    *Don't worry about me as I'm also a successful quitter.

  • I joined this forum to gain insight\ camaraderie among other folk who were looking for the same;)

    I cant be done with back bighting....my methods better than yours blah blah...

    Im off and on to forums where the banter is fun,people have a laugh and dont bang on and on and on

    Good luck all with your quits

    see ya:)

    Bye Bye :)

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