Milk types

[Miss-guineapig]

Hi, struggling with conflicting information. What ‘Milk’ is best for us warriors with CKD? Thank you in anticipation x

[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador]

I do not use cow's milk for anything. I use almond creamer in my coffee. I like Silk. Just check the additives in anything dairy.

[Miss-guineapig in reply to Bassetmommer]

Thanks so much Basset, will give it a try. I’ll see if I get other ideas too x

[horsie63 in reply to Miss-guineapig]

I’m lactose intolerant so I use rice milk

[Miss-guineapig in reply to horsie63]

I have just seen Waitrose sells it…now to find the nearest waitrose!😀

[Miss-guineapig]

Horsie I saw rice mentioned before but I am struggling to find it. I live in Scotland and Tesco and Sainsbury’s say sell it, but its never been in stock. What does it taste like? I’d like if for tea and cooking porridge. Thank you x

[horsie63]

I don’t think it has much taste to it. When I was in the hospital all they had besides cow milk was soy and that had some taste to it but it wasn’t bad.

[Miss-guineapig in reply to horsie63]

Thank you horsie x

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador]

I use Almond milk, and also Almond creamer, and sometimes soy milk for change of taste.

[Miss-guineapig in reply to orangecity41]

Thank you for thus, lots for me to try x

[MinnadeParis]

hi, I’ve been lactose intolerant for many years, even before CKD. Now that I read every ingredient I could not find almond or oat milk w/out preservatives. I bought a small appliance that makes 8oz almond milk in 5 mins. It uses 2Tbsp almonds and 1 cup water…..presto non dairy anything. If you would like the name and manufacturer DM me, since I don’t know if I can promote a brand on this site.

And it can actually last up to 3 days in fridge.

[Miss-guineapig in reply to MinnadeParis]

Wow! Well done you , what does your almond milk taste like? Thank you for this idea. Might be useful for others x

[MinnadeParis in reply to Miss-guineapig]

Hi, the brand is Nutr. In the US I bought it on line and got 10 or 15% off of $159. It’s also sold at Williams Sonoma. I bought the 8oz. It’s small does not take up much room on counter and looks great. It comes with a strainer and I strain directly into a jelly jar. Tastes wonderful and fresh. Sometimes I put in 1/4 tsp of vanilla to sweeten. They have a booklet that gives you recipes on oat, walnut, etc and on smoothies + a very good website. My husband, who has never met a preservative he doesn’t like, loves the fresh almond milk.

Good luck. Lmk if you want any more info

Picture of Nutr booklet

[Miss-guineapig in reply to MinnadeParis]

Need to do a Scottish hunt now , thank you

[CuriousCKD in reply to MinnadeParis]

I suppose you could substitute cashews, in the machine?

[MinnadeParis in reply to CuriousCKD]

Hi Curious, it sure does make cashew milk. Here’s a couple of pics. Lmk if you get it and how you like it.

I bought Nutr in white it’s about the size of a small thermos

[CuriousCKD in reply to MinnadeParis]

I will, thanks!

[Badger2024 in reply to MinnadeParis]

Thanks so much for that recipe. If anyone has a coffee grinder or spice grinder that will also work. Also need a strainer

[CuriousCKD]

I like rice milk, when I eat cereal. In my opinion, it doesn’t have a dominant flavor. It just looks a little watery. I am currently using one tablespoon of Silk’s plant based whipping cream in 500 ml of cold brew coffee per day. My one (not so) guilty pleasure in my daily potassium allowance. 🤗

[Miss-guineapig in reply to CuriousCKD]

Thank you Curious , must explore this whipping cream…sound lovely x

[CuriousCKD in reply to Miss-guineapig]

I like it, but, because it contains coconut oil, it tends to solidify. The advice on the container says to shake well before using. I did that, but the “cream” was so thick, it didn’t pour out. I was so surprised at first, then I remembered the coconut oil, and realization struck me. So, you can either take a chopstick, or the handle of a spoon to fish out what you want. I suppose you could leave it out for awhile to let if warm up a bit, however I am too impatient. I could not taste the coconut, but then my taste buds are toast, due to whatever… 🙄😊

Oh, Country Crock brand also has a plant based whipping cream out as well, made with water, lentil protein, coconut and canola oil. It doesn’t solidify, and the label says, “Do not shake”. I like it a little better, because it stays liquid. I try to keep the measurements at one or 1 1/3 tablespoons per day.

Both brands suggest two tablespoons (100 calories) per serving… 🤗

[Miss-guineapig in reply to CuriousCKD]

Thanks for all the detail, appreciated d

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador in reply to CuriousCKD]

Thanks for info. I too am potassium restricted.

[OldTownhammock in reply to CuriousCKD]

I actually use the whipping cream to make whipped cream. When it is half whipped I add 8 Oz. Of Fage 0 percent fat yogurt to cut the sat fat. I also add vanilla and a 1/4 cup of monkfruit sweetener. My guilty pleasure

[CuriousCKD in reply to OldTownhammock]

Great use of ingredients! I’ve discovered coconut sugar, which I use sparingly. Also Allulose combined with monk fruit is very good.

[RunBrianRun]

Is milk really that bad for CKD?

[Miss-guineapig in reply to RunBrianRun]

By what I read here Runbrain it certain is, I do take cows milk…just a little in tea and also half water/half milk in my porridge but long term I need to get focused. 😀

[Miss-guineapig in reply to RunBrianRun]

The article below by Cheetiecat is well worth reading I think RunBrian.

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador in reply to RunBrianRun]

I think it depends on your bloodwork results are, in my case, for potassium and phosphorus which are restricted.

[OldTownhammock in reply to orangecity41]

Isn't calcium hard on your kidneys as well?

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador in reply to OldTownhammock]

Here is link to National Kidney Foundation for calcium and vitamin D3

kidney.org/content/kidney-f...

[Miss-guineapig in reply to orangecity41]

Just away to read this now, thank you

[CheetieCat]

I tend to use soya or oat, haven't used cow's milk for years. You might find this interesting

kidneynutritioninstitute.or...

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador in reply to CheetieCat]

Thanks for link to good information.

[RunBrianRun in reply to CheetieCat]

Thank you.

[Miss-guineapig in reply to CheetieCat]

Great!

[Miss-guineapig]

Thank you so so much for this CheetieCat. I will read it with great interest. Smiling at your name…used to say that at school if anyone ‘Cheated’ x

[CheetieCat]

😁 You're welcome x

[RunBrianRun]

Thank you for the responses. I’m a big milk drinker and this sounds like I need to rethink this. I used to take protein shakes with milk, at least 1.5-2 litres a day and a total protein intake from diet and supplements of 1.5 x my body weight so around 120-130mg

I’ve stopped all that now but I still have milky coffee in the morning and in my tea.

[CheetieCat in reply to RunBrianRun]

Wow! Just read your bio & Wow again! Amazing transformation 👏👏👏 Hope you're chuffed to bits with yourself cause you really should be 😁

[RunBrianRun in reply to CheetieCat]

☺️ that’s very sweet of you. Thank you. It’s been a fascinating and challenging journey and I guess I am proud of my achievements. There’s no doubt I’m a totally different person to the man who first stepped on to that treadmill 5 years ago. I am desperately hoping that this kidney problem won’t stop me doing the things I love most. It’s only been a few weeks since I first got the call from the doctor to retake my blood test and I’m still in a bit of trauma tbh. 😢

[CheetieCat in reply to RunBrianRun]

Yes it is mind blowing! I'm only a couple of months myself since my first definitive blood test. Like yourself came straight here for information as GP not so worried. Best advice I got was take control of your own health, makes sense. Bought stopping kidney disease books by Lee Hull, well worth a read.

[RunBrianRun in reply to CheetieCat]

Thank you for the book tips. I’ll look them up.

[RunBrianRun in reply to RunBrianRun]

CheetieCat Did the books help you at all? I’m just deciding whether to just get one or all of them.

[CheetieCat in reply to RunBrianRun]

I've read the first book so far. Second is still on my tbr pile, lots of info to take in with the first book. Think if you go on to the web site there is an option to download for free, only saw this after I'd purchased from Amazon though. From what I can see the second book is more on your food, like a more kidney friendly way of eating.

[RunBrianRun in reply to CheetieCat]

Brilliant. Thank you for that. Glad I asked as I was about to shell out for it on Amazon 😅

[CheetieCat in reply to RunBrianRun]

😫 Just had a quick look on the website and it's only showing chapters not the actual books! Sorry for giving you the wrong info, it's either changed or it's my fibro fog at work!🤦 Might give you a good taster before buying though

[RunBrianRun in reply to CheetieCat]

That’s no problem. I’m happy to buy it. Just thought my luck was in that’s all 😂

[Badger2024 in reply to RunBrianRun]

You could always borrow it from your local library

[RunBrianRun in reply to CheetieCat]

I’ve been out and bought some Barista Oatly and low fat almond milk. I’ve done a taste test and the oatly wins hands down but it is quite expensive! It’s also really hard to know how much potassium and phosphorus is in them.

What milk do you drink?

[Miss-guineapig in reply to RunBrianRun]

For me, it’s limited semi skimmed cows milk but after this post I will try a few of the ideas to see what I like x

[RunBrianRun in reply to Miss-guineapig]

So let us know what you think of what you try 😀 I found the almond milk very watery compared to the oatly

[Miss-guineapig in reply to RunBrianRun]

Will do!

[CheetieCat in reply to RunBrianRun]

I like oat & soya, tend to buy Aldi's own brand as it's much cheaper and it's really ok. Alpro is nice too but again more expensive. Your taste will change after a while, can't stand the smell of real milk anymore!

[RunBrianRun in reply to CheetieCat]

I was Aldi today looking through their milks. I’ll definitely try them out. Thank you

[Miss-guineapig in reply to RunBrianRun]

Sounds like you have a great attitude, wishing you all the best, we’re strong warriors together x

[RunBrianRun in reply to Miss-guineapig]

Thank you. I’m very obsessed with my health 😂

[Miss-guineapig in reply to RunBrianRun]

I believe CKD does that, think I’m getting paranoid!😂

[Dana66CKD]

I use Silk unsweetened Almond and alternate using Silk unsweetened Almond & Coconut Milk. The latter has less potassium than plain unsweetened Almond. I've gotten used to the flavors. No phosphate/phosphorus...?

[RunBrianRun in reply to Dana66CKD]

That’s interesting. Where can I buy this? I haven’t noticed Silk when I’m out shopping, but then again I hardly even glanced at milk alternatives before.

[Dana66CKD in reply to RunBrianRun]

I buy at local grocery store in vegetarian/vegan section. I'm sure you'll find😍