beef and kidneys

[TDPowers]

why is beef more harmful to kidneys than chicken

[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador]

Protein is not the same and for the kidneys, beef is very hard to process. "consumption of animal protein sources, especially red meat, results in an increased intake of saturated fat, cholesterol, iron, and salt, as well as an excessive acid load. Red meat intake may lead to an elevated production of uremic toxins by the gut microbiota, such as trimethylamine n-oxide (TMAO), indoxyl sulfate, and p-cresyl sulfate. These uremic toxins are associated with increased risk for cardiovascular (CV) mortality. Limiting the intake of red meat in patients with chronic kidney disease (CKD) thus may be a good strategy to reduce CV risk, and may slow the progression of kidney disease."pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/292...

[RoxanneKidney in reply to Bassetmommer]

I have been rethinking the protein thing. Obviously, if you go to a meat-free diet, your creatinine levels will drop simply due to less intake of it, not because your kidneys are getting better. Therefore, plant-based diets are a bit misleading when it comes to actual improvements, but seeing a lower creatinine number ---which along with age is used to calculate GFR---will make you feel better. BUT I just read two studies regarding protein intake that actually showed little difference regarding the progression of ckd compared to low protein intake. SO not that I'm saying to go eat meat, I am not going to personally, but it was eye-opening to say the least. Unfortunately, because someone reported comment of mine or post regarding one of my comments that they disagreed with regarding certain DNA studies, I could not post. clarkcountytoday.com/news/s...

[RoxanneKidney in reply to RoxanneKidney]

I just want to add that I consider people who disagree with you and then report you ---communists.

[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador in reply to RoxanneKidney]

This is one of the best articles I have read on the explanation of why meat, dairy and other animal protein is hard on the kidneys. nutritionfacts.org/2018/02/...

[RoxanneKidney in reply to Bassetmommer]

Yep, I believe all that. THe studies I read did discuss hyperfiltration. That is the killer. But when other variables were added to the equation, again, these studies showed little difference between High and Low protein intake. SO...However, I would rather error on the no meat side.

[RoxanneKidney in reply to RoxanneKidney]

This hyperfiltration is the reason that you need to keep your bp LOW LOW LOW

[horsie63 in reply to RoxanneKidney]

I talked to my doc yesterday about this. In my case due to my size (think small 12 year old) the eGFR calculation is misleading as it's based on an "average adult" and due to the scarring my kidneys will not recover but what I can do is keep them stable. While he doesn't think a low protein diet will help he is not opposed to plant based IF I can get enough calories as I've dropped weight I cannot afford to lose. I was never a big fan of steak and only occasionally had a burger, my problem was always chips.

[RoxanneKidney in reply to horsie63]

I find that if I pick the hottest sauce on the planet to eat the chips with----I will eat much fewer.

[horsie63 in reply to RoxanneKidney]

Lol...I absolutely can't stand hot sauce or really any spicy food so that would keep me from eating any.

[CKD_SMK]

I was about to ask the same question.

Thanks. U asked.

[citruskayaker]

Beef is bad for kidneys. Although you can eat chicken or pork sometimes, you are better of not doing so. Excess salt and protein are problems for Americans. I now only eat some seafood despite the temptation of meats. Also there are lots of proteins in beans and rice, for example.

[RoxanneKidney in reply to citruskayaker]

Yeah, processed meats are a killer.

[miraclelady]

I slowed WAY down on eating protein just because I heard it was bad for your kidneys. Now, my total protein level is really low. My Nephrologist told me how important it is for me to get that number up before my muscles waste away, etc. Finding the right protein is very hard. I was told to eat meat, particularly chicken, fish - which I don't like and turkey. But, I was told that I could eat an occasional burger as well. It's all hard trying to figure out exactly what to do!!!

[horsie63]

I noticed the article said soy protein was a good alternative but if you have Graves Disease (hyperthyroidism) I was told to limit any soy products.

[Hidden in reply to horsie63]

Soya milk/beans cause me skin rashes & hormone imbalance.

[TDPowers]

I’m 55 and my GFR is sometimes stage 4 and sometimes 5 it’s been like this for 2 years. I tried no meat and my GFR went down and I added some meat but not a lot and my labs improved but I eat very small amounts of meat mostly chicken and occasionally 3 oz of grass fed beef

[TDPowers]

Thank you