CAN YOU DRINK ALCOHOL ON A KIDNEY DIET?

[Starcatty]

I have found numerous contradicting sites online.....some say yes, others no.

[Skeptix]

I do. In moderation (4 pints of Guinness a week or the equivalent thereof). I've got shedloads of stuff I need to check out amd alcohol/CKD is one of 'em.

I tend to try to read/skim scientific papers and the like rather than rely on websites. Especially given the potential gravity of the advice (give up me Guinness??)

[Bassetmommer NKF Ambassador]

That is truly a question for you doctor.

[WinJ3]

Yes, but work with a Certified Renal Nutritionist or Doctor. All CKD patients are different, so the specialist will look over all your medications, bloodwork and where you are at with your CKD...........I know 😁 the holidays are right around the corner 🍷

[Sophiebun11]

Can you, yes. Should you, I don't. Leave that up to your Dr. depending on your liver values and many other things.

We are all different. I don't drink for many reasons, migraines being at the top of my list.

[RoxanneKidney in reply to Sophiebun11]

That is my problem. Migraines 😬

[Tolmezzo]

To me the right question is different. Make sense to assume risk to drink when you have CKD and you for sure its harmful for your kidney?

[Starcatty in reply to Tolmezzo]

I asked the question because i don't know for sure.

[Tolmezzo in reply to Starcatty]

What I know is that alcohol is toxic for the body. This regardless to your health condition. A modarate consumption can be managed by a sane liver but still remain something which is not compatible with human metabolism.

[howietung]

I find many info contradicted to each other online, which made me so confused. But I would said stay away from the alcohol if you have a doubt.

[NilsB]

From what little I have read, from a Uric Acid perspective, one should stay away from alcohol, especially if it is grain-based, like beer. Red wine used to be considered OK but now is not. From other perspectives, alcohol does lead to vasodilation and I have played with the thought that it might increase renal blood flow, which might have benefits. However, I have seen no research at all to back that up. I would say that if you have high Uric Acid, you should be careful with alcohol, especially if it is made from grain, as such alcohol apparently contained more purines. As always, high consumption of alcohol, which is a toxin, is bad for you.

[Skeptix in reply to NilsB]

Good stuff thanks. I see there's no uric acid info in my bloods. So I'll read around that subject and see about getting labs on it next time. Cheers.

I thought alcohol was a BP increasing agent not a decreasing agent?

[NilsB in reply to Skeptix]

Tricky (pressure). As I understand it, it is both depending on how much you drink. Low amounts of alcohol leads to relaxation and vasodilation, lowering pressure, but larger amounts and long term drinking lead to raised blood pressure.

[NilsB in reply to NilsB]

Found something on that. Overdoing it is easy, wherefore many only speak of the vasoconstriction. sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

[Skeptix in reply to NilsB]

Hmm.

I wonder does the effect last long? Like, they say don't take BP measurements for a half an hour after coffee due to its effect on BP.

So, would a glass of wine morning, noon and night be beneficial. Whereas 3 glasses of wine together js harmful.

I note the quantities for the slight benefit. 120ml. Good grief, drink it up quick before it evaporates.

[NilsB in reply to Skeptix]

As a substance is released by alcohol, it may be triggered even with a few hours in between but as the buddy usuallt processes alcohol in a few hours, perhaps you are right. I haven't read anything about this, but in the link above they do speculate about potential benefits of repeated modest consumption (in that case, once a day but over time). If you find any info on that, please do share.

[Skeptix in reply to NilsB]

It wouldn't be the worst experiment to carry out, a day spent wetting your lips every hour from a Jameson bottle.

But it is interesting. I'm on max ACE dose and BP is around 120/78 or the like. I'd like to trim the ACE a bit proteinuria permitting - it's dropping with the very low protein diet and if that keeps up then options with ACE open. I gather your body can get used to ACE and I figure to have some reserve and figure to your body won't get as used to a smaller dose as a larger dose.

A hip flask beckons, although there is a degree of problem with the public image ;).

Wasn't there alcohol gummies or something? Yup " half a shot of booze per gummie"

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[NilsB in reply to Skeptix]

Haha! Thanks for giving me a good laugh. My BP is still OK, thank goodness, knock on wood.

[Skeptix in reply to NilsB]

Thanks for the interesting tip on booze. Every little helps. Now to figure out whether booze for BP is okay for kidneys..

[Starcatty in reply to Skeptix]

Ha ha.......how about hiding it in a big purse?

[Skeptix in reply to Starcatty]

Blokes don't carry.purses in this neck of the woods. Stainless steel water bottles though .. that's on trend.

[Starcatty in reply to Skeptix]

They carry purses here....(Vancouver BC)

[Skeptix in reply to Starcatty]

What do they carry in them? Like, my wallet, car keys and phone fit in my trouser pockets.

[Starcatty in reply to Skeptix]

an extra set of kidneys.

[Skeptix]

My renal dietician gave white wine as an "alcohol option". Dunno why white vs. red but she reckoned better than stout beer from a potassium perspective.

[WYOAnne NKF Ambassador]

A lot of it depends on your lab results, if you are diabetic and what your nephrologist tells you. Alcohol, especially beer was definitely out for me. For me, beer raised my uric acid, but I did drink an occasional diet coke without any issues.

Now that I have had a transplant I got the OK to have an occasional glass of white wine

[sparkie88]

It is yes and no and it isn't contradicting. First it is your choice if you do stick to the minimum 1 glass for women and 2 for men per day. Also best stick to red wine no beer Second how is your liver? If your labs shows liver problems then it is better to stay away from alcohol. Finally depending on the stage you are in if you are near the end it is best not to. Red wine has benefits that benefits the heart and that is what is most important for CKD at any stage. However always seek advice from your health professional and not from a stranger on the internet because 1 man's meat may be a others poision. Take care

[jodaer]

IMHO if I'm near the end I'm sure I would say why not?

[Starcatty in reply to jodaer]

Why not? Life is short.....

[Darlenia]

Depends if you're looking at things short range or long range. If you want a great record for getting a transplant, don't do alcohol. Or do so sparingly if only in Stage 3 or better.