Anybody still thinking of getting the covid vax might want to know what are the odds of feeling ill after vaccination. The Yellow Card system administered by the MHRA reports over 70,000 people suffering with headaches for the Oxford Vax assets.publishing.service.g...
and 14,000 headaches to date for the Pfizer Vax (including 1200 migraines)
These are amongst a whole range of other side effects from the vaccines. Check them out if you don't believe me but bear in mind these are a vast underestimate as most people (including many GPs) don't know about the Yellow Card reporting system or don't bother reporting if they do know. People should know these things are happening as a result of the vaccine. Knowing about these effects is otherwise known as informed consent and which they won't tell you about when you go for your jab
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The yellow card system exists to enable people to report side effects so potentially harmful effects can be identified. It is part of the on-going mechanisms for identifying the safety of all medications and vaccines used in the UK.It does not correlate the reported side effects to other existing conditions - I certainly don't remember being asked to list other medical conditions when I completed a report.
Vaccination programmes are only effective where enough people participate. When this number starts to drop then the disease resurfaces and the result can be unnecessary deaths or long term health issues - not just for those who were not vaccinated but also for those who could not be vaccinated because they were identified as being in an at risk category. This effect has been seen particularly among the prevalence of childhood diseases such as whooping cough.
Please bear in mind that if you choose not to be vaccinated then you are not just putting your own life at risk but the lives of others.
"Please bear in mind that if you choose not to be vaccinated then you are not just putting your own life at risk but the lives of others."
Gambit62 - the usual bullying , coercive statement - intended to induce guilt on those who are quite rightly asking questions about the experimental jab.
People are within their rights to choose whether or not they take an EXPERIMENTAL "jab" for use only in "emergency" situations - it is not a "vaccine" as such, in the traditional sense.
The LONG TERM effects of the mRNA component of the "jabs" is not yet known.
All the covid "jabs" are experimental and for use in "emergency" only and long term effects not yet known. In which case people asking questions should not be guilt tripped by comments such as the one you have made above.
I've had covid and recovered fully, at middle age - as have millions of others.
Please desist from trying to stop people getting a vaccine. We all know the risks and benefits, and its up to the individual to make their own choice - trying to frighten people off a vaccine by speaking in the way many of the anti vax movement speak, using the same trigger phrases, is not only unacceptable on this site, but distinctly unwelcome.In respect of risk to benefit ratio, despite those differing slightly with different age groups and state of health, with ALL the vaccines, Covid infection far outweighs the vanishingly small risk from a vaccine. You may have had Covid and recovered, good for you - but this is an unpredictable virus and not everyone can say the same. A friend of mine lost her 13 year old daughter to Covid in April last year - she had no other health problems at all. And the lady who ran our local shop, 53 years old, otherwise healthy, died from it last year too.
You have made your choice - allow others to do the same without scare tactics.
And a word about the Yellow Card system - any member of the public can access it and list any side effects they have experienced, from a sore arm to headache to more serious side effects. These have to be examined and the more serious adverse events researched and reported on before they can be counted as serious adverse events. It is sensible to be aware of risks from vaccines - but also necessary to set those risk ratios against a person's risk from Covid itself, and that will differ for different people.
Nothing wrong with seeking information by asking questions,, no one's saying that. Lord knows I did a lot of research before deciding to have a vaccine myself, not being too keen on medical interventions - what's irritating is the amount of disinformation being peddled all over the place, if you're not science savvy, I can see it would be difficult to source accurate information, to sort the wheat from the chaff, and there's an awful lot of chaff out there, including struck off doctors, ex nurses and the maverick outliers. And once someone has swallowed some or all of the anti vax propaganda, they become like zealots with a missionary zeal to spread that disinformation ever wider, while the originators of these anti vax myths have grown increasingly wealthy - covid has been a massive money spinner for them - but not for joe public.
The point is, people need to make their own choices - a few side effects are not a reason to not have a vaccine - serious adverse events might be, so its necessary to do the risk to benefit ratio. In general, the risk of a serious adverse event is less than 0.05% with a vaccine - percentage risks from Covid itself are much greater. But each must decide for themselves, hopefully using accurate information, without others trying to persuade or dissuade them.
I will just say that its interesting you appear to experience a simple statement of fact ('please bear in mind that if you choose not to be vaccinated...' as mentioned above) as 'bullying and coercive' - it isn't, it's just fact, but you are having an emotional response to it that likely involves discomfort and possibly a bit of guilt... If you've had Covid already, I can't say I blame you for not having a vaccine.
I had a horrible reaction to my first vaccine and couldn't do anything for a week - I just want people to be able to hear both sides of the argument and part of that argument is around herd immunity protecting those who are too vulnerable to have the vaccine.
Many of the techniques used to develop the vaccine are far from experimental and the role out has been carefully monitored and controlled. It has been quicker to get green light to proceed to mass use than would normally be the case because the effect of the illness is so dramatic. Although survival rates are quite high this comes at the cost of a huge strain on the NHS and diversion of resources from other life threatening conditions.
I have had two relatives hospitalised as a result of COVID-19, but fortunately both survived. We are lucky in the UK to have a well developed health system. This is not always the case and the effect of the virus in other countries has been dramatic and devastating.
Your point about people getting vaccinated only makes sense if you think none of us any protection from covid. That is a nonsense. If this is so dangerous why are a third of people asymptomatic? Why are those hospitalized or dying from covid overwhelmingly the elderly with serious existing heath problems. Therefore if you are really concerned with people dying getting ill from this disease then you would surely be concerned about making sure peoples' immune systems work better and getting healthy. Why do you think there's been a fuss (finally) in the media about people losing weight to reduce their risk of covid? Speaking about the vaccine as if its a one point way of dealing with covid ignores reality; the protection offered by the human immune system for millions of years and continues to do so. Sadly over the last year the government and their scientist masters have done everything they can to damage peoples' health; telling people to live in fear, stay indoors and avoid contact with other people. If you wanted to expose people to the risks of a "dangerous" virus you couldn't do better by ordering people to do things which will damage their immune system. Yet you accuse the unvaccinated of endangering peoples' lives with no context whatsoever.
A migraine is not just a headache. I and many others have to live with the debilitating effects and pain, now made worse for some of us by the AZ jab. It’s horrendous! Please don’t think of it as a headache.
It will pass - I had the AZ and headache/migraine on and off for six weeks afterwards, but after the second, nothing at all. Still better than getting Covid... I saw and heard my son have Covid, and it was not in the least pleasant, it was positively terrifying, though he eventually recovered, thank heavens.
Yeah you're talking to the wrong person, I have chronic migraines, so I have them over 50% of the time so I know what I'm talking about. And is the suggestion that we should not take a vaccine that could save their life and others around them because of a migraine?
Knowing about these effects is otherwise known as informed consent and which they won't tell you about when you go for your jab.
Firstly, because there has been discussion about vaccination across the media every single day this year, I went to the published information for the vaccine I expected to receive both when it was made available (at the time of approval) and again just before receiving it, in case it had been updated. Links:
Regulatory approval of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for COVID-19
Information for healthcare professionals and the public about the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.
Secondly, when I went for my vaccination, I was handed a paper copy of the Patient Information Leaflet. (Never before had I been given documentation for any vaccine I have received.)
Thirdly, whilst there might be some GPs who rarely, if ever, put in Yellow Card reports, I find it difficult to believe there are any who don't know about them. And for patients, any who have actually read any Patient Information Leaflet for any medicine in the UK would know about Yellow Cards. They might not have the ability to put in a report for one reason or another. They might choose not to. But for anyone who can read and understand, ignorance would only result from choosing not to read the information so readily available.
Of course, the Yellow Card scheme is imperfect. But it does exist. And it is up to us to use it.
Finally, it was my choice to accept the offered vaccinations. On balance, my assessment of the "side effects" of Covid-19 itself seemed far worse than those of any of the vaccines.
Many people do not know about the Yellow Card reporting system - it is NOT widely advertised. What about those who don't use the internet and the elderly?
My elderly father had the vax - he didn't receive a Patient Information Leaflet for his first or second vax?
"Finally, it was my choice to accept the offered vaccinations."
Yes, your CHOICE. Just like it is anybody's CHOICE to question the vaccines. It works both ways.
btw, I've had Covid and recovered fully - at middle age.
I'm sorry, Moon_Struck, but the Yellow Card scheme is expressly mentioned on every Patient Information Leaflet of every UK medicine.
Many pharmacies and GP surgeries display advertising/infographics about the scheme.
If those who are able don't read their PILs, they might be unaware. But what is behind that not reading of PILs? Is it "can't be bothered", "utter faith in doctor and medicines", "better things to do", or something else?
As mentioned previously, my elderly father did NOT receive a Patient Information Leaflet and has never heard of Yellow Card Scheme? No information for him at all, just a harassed District Nurse sticking the needle in his arm at his home, no questions allowed - how many more like him, those who are housebound? These are facts.
What is reported on the YC is just the tip of a huge iceberg. It is in no way a true reflection of all the side effects that people are experiencing.
I can send you a link to an NHS whistleblower despairing of the fact that people are not given PILs.
The PIL for different vaccines has been on line for months and months - if you were concerned that your father would not see it, you could have been proactive and down loaded a copy of it before he had his vaccine. knowing it would be given at some point.
I was given a PIL -but only after my vaccine shot was administered. Fortunately, despite being elderly myself, I had already informed myself extensively on Covid itself and then all the vaccines via the internet. If my mother had been still alive and capable, I'd have downloaded the PIL for each vaccine for her before she got vaccinated.. Sadly, even if she had been alive, she would not have been capable, I would have made the decision for her.
I hope your father is fine and well - I assume he must be since you've not said he has suffered any serious adverse events since his vaccination.
people don't know about the Yellow Card though or if they do I haven't met one and I have asked around. Let's face it most people don't read the small print
I have spent over ten years on this site and mentioned Yellow Card repeatedly.
Of course, some won't read the "small print". (Mind, the print is the same size throughout the PIL.)
For those who are concerned about the Covid-19 vaccine, I don't think it unreasonable to expect them to read the information provided. If they don't care enough to do so, that is their choice. Or if they refuse without reading, that too is their choice. But to be concerned yet not read seems a somewhat odd choice.
The information is also linked from the vaccination card we receive at the time of the injections.
I accept that those who have no idea about online access have a more difficult path. I accept that those who can't read and understand for any reason have a more difficult path.
Screenshot of AstraZeneca vaccine Yellow Card paragraph.
Yes except the vaccines have been rolled out using emergency authorization thus bypassing the fact that these vaccines are still in phase 3 clinical trials. Compromising on safety with a virus no worse than the flu for the vast majority of people is downright dangerous and devious from those who have authorized these vaccines. You might well believe GPs know about the Yellow Card system but the fact is only a small amount of adverse effects are reports. How do I know? The MHRA themselves released a report within 2 years ago saying they were concerned that only 2-5% of adverse effects are reported and only 10% of serious advers effects.I see no evidence that has changed. I have spoken to a number of people about this and nobody has heard of the Yellow Card system. The patient information leaflet only gives a few basic adverse effects not the many serious adverse effects many people have reported. Look at the NHS website; it lists headaches, a sore arm., feeling tired and being sick. No mention of paralysis, blindness, rashes, cardiovascular effects, blood clots etc.
On the subject of Covid vaccines and vaccines generally, anyone else watch the Channel 4 'Anti Vax' programme last night? Turns out Andrew Wakefield has more to answer for than just fabricating evidence about autism and the MMR in the UK all those years ago... but his anti vax activities have made him very, very rich indeed since he moved to the USA. Covid has been a goldmine for such people...
But surely you are not suggesting that suffering from a few side effects is worse than having Covid infection itself? Or are you suggesting that? All medicines and medical interventions have side effects - it just depends whether what the drugs and treatments are curing or protecting you from are worse than having the illness or malfunction itself. And in the case of Covid vaccines, the risk to benefit ratio from the vaccines compared to the infection means vaccines are worth the side effects in the vast majority of cases. The trouble with Covid infection is, its unpredictable - young people die of it as well as older people with co morbidities, you just don't know how a person will respond to it. Certainly, my son's been left with scarring in his lungs and on his thyroid as a result of having Covid...
However, I do agree people should be informed prior to making the decision about a vaccine - but that information is freely available on line and has been for a long time for those who care to look.
It's not unpredictable. Most people with a healthy immune system and no serious underlying health conditions are not at risk. virtually nothing. You will always find a few exceptions to the rule with healthy people getting really ill. Ask yourself why is it a third of cases (according to what the experts say) are asymptomatic. Does that sound like a dangerous disease to you? Ok so your son had it badly. It doesn't mean others will suffer the same. So for most people taking an experimental vaccine ought not to make any sense with such a low death/hospitalization rate. You could say the same with flu. Some get it badly and are very ill with it, others it completely bypasses, even in the same household. But we don't pressure people into getting a flu vaccine, we leave it up to the individual. Its interesting that you mention anti-vax propaganda. Does that include the many scientists and doctors who are questioning the safety of the covid vax but are in fact pro vaccine? Why would you not want to hear what they say as well as what thr government says? I would say the information released by the NHS, the Government and the vaccine companies are misinformation. But still just my viewpoint, to which we are all entitled.
But it is unpredictable - you cannot say for sure that someone who is 24, healthy and fit will not die from a Covid infection. The odds are they won't, but its not guaranteed - in fact, they are more likely to have Long Covid than die, that's much more common in younger people. Its a gamble to risk Covid - its a gamble to have a vaccine, its just the odds are better with a vaccine than they are with Covid infection, especially in certain sectors of the community. That said, I wouldn't force anyone to have the vaccine... its perfectly natural to be anxious or reluctant about taking any medicine or medical treatment. Regardless, I made my decision ages back and have had both doses of a vaccine, so I am no longer concerned with alternative points of view regarding vaccination, though I still keep track of what's being said. More for amusement than anything else, to be fair... as always, time will tell.
There's nothing amusing about many of these serious side effects and I find it very telling that you are so quick to dismiss them. You may have made your mind up but people who haven't deserve the opportunity to have fully informed consent - something that currently does not exist Why bother arguing with people if you've already decided - if you prefer to be ignorant of these things that's up to you but don't insist other people do the same.
But you do have the freedom to inform yourself and consent or not, no one is forced to take a vaccine; I'm not sure what you mean, unless you're implying that a doctor or a medic should spend half an hour with each person telling them about the vaccine. Which is clearly not manageable, so what do you mean, what precisely do you feel should change and how?
1 The list of possible side effects including the serious ones; cardiovascular problems, thrombosis and other blood clotting, paralysis and a host of other problems all listed on the Yellow Card system.
2 People should be told that this is still an experimental vaccine currently in phase III trial set to run until 2022/23 in the case of Pfizer and Astra Zeneca; they are licenced under Emergency legislation only.
3 That the vaccine companies are indemnified against damage if a person does have a serious adverse reaction.
4 That previous research on coronaviruses using animal studies found alarmingly that many of the animals died or got seriously ill when they encountered the real virus (even though they initially did not react to being given the vaccine). This is all published research going back 20 years.
This should be on the Patient leaflet given to everybody who plans to receives the covid vaccination. Why not send the information in the letter you receive from the NHS inviting you to attend for your jab? Its honest and truthful and enables a person to have full informed consent so they know the risks and takes no extra time at the vaccination centre. If at that point a person chooses to go ahead and take it, as you say, its their choice. The problem is much of this information is not found in the media and not considered by most people. Therefore does somebody getting vaccinated against covid truly have informed consent?
Indeed nobody is being forced to take the vaccine. Presumably though you are not unaware of the huge government, media and societal forces driving people into thinking they SHOULD take it; if not for themselves, then for the "good of others".
One of the things I would like to see is an end to the demonization of those who choose not to get vaccinated which has been going on for months now. Those who prefer to depend on their natural immunity and do things to support that - eat well, avoid being overweight, exercise etc. should be encouraged not condemned for it. And there should be an end to the talk of discrimination and vaccine passports and barring people from travelling abroad, visiting pubs, attending sports events etc if they've not been vaccinated. If someone's had the vaccination surely they have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated, are they not protected? Haven't the most vulnerable all now been vaccinated?
Which brings me to another point; for the government and scientific bigwigs with an ear to government to inform people that there are things they can do to protect themselves from covid that don't involve vaccination. Of those making decisions from Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance downwards, none of them have informed the public of this or even acknowledged the possibility of natural immunity against covid even though its clear that this does exist otherwise we'd all get very sick with it.
It should in my view be part of the messaging; get vaccinated and know the risks or look after your health, take supplements, therapeutic drugs and so on. You can even do both if you think that's right for you.
Well, if Ivermectin was readily available, that would be a very useful therapeutic for Covid, but it's unfortunately not available in the UK (and other countries), though some are now using it. Even if it were, its not a substitute for vaccination, merely a treatment. Bit of an essay coming up, sorry...
The health service cannot tell you that if you have a fully functioning, supported immune system you will cope with a Covid infection - there are no guarantees because our immune systems are naive to this particular virus. For many, the infection may be mild and they just get over it; others are left with ongoing serious or non life threatening but debilitating symptoms; and obviously, up to yesterday, Covid has killed 3,695,370 round the world and rising, and those are only the ones we know about - we all know that not all deaths from Covid are being recorded in all countries.
Mass vaccination is the way through to herd immunity - its a public health matter. It is also the way through to preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed and not able to carry out their usual work, and stopping the need for lockdown and restrictions which have a bad effect on the economy, which is primarily what the government is trying to achieve; they are hoping that the link between covid infection and the need for hospitalisation will be broken, that's the aim, not to stop people getting Covid altogether. We are lucky that we had any very effective vaccines available for use at all so quickly, and the matter of indemnification for the vaccine companies has been necessary because we're in a pandemic and there was an urgent need to start using the vaccines on a massive scale once the Phase III trials were complete. With all medicines,, including vaccines, there is the final stage where members of the general public who receive the treatment are monitored and side effects noted, because its only once a medication is used in the population that unforeseen issues may present themselves. Why? Because whilst we are generally apparently the same as humans, we aren't exact duplicates - that means there may be a percentage of people in the community who do not react to the medication in the same way as those on the trials. That indemnification will eventually be removed, once, or if, the worst is over - that depends on take up of the vaccines.
The reason why vaccinated people may not be happy to be around the unvaccinated is because the vaccines are not 100% - protection given by them varies on whatever variant is around. For the alpha variant, protection is up at around 80%, but for the delta (Indian) variant, that protection drops to around 65%, assuming that the person vaccinated has an immune system that reacted efficiently to the vaccine. Many people, especially those over 55, do not have a fully functioning immune system and therefore the vaccine may not be so effective in that group. There is also a cohort of people who cannot have a vaccine due to other health problems. The other factor is, if you have had a vaccine but succumb to a wild type Covid infection, transmission rates from the infected person are cut by around half, whereas an unvaccinated individual will be spreading the virus untrammeled, particularly if they are asymptomatic - the more wild type infections there are in a community in unvaccinated people, the greater the likelihood of new variants arising, Essentially, an unvaccinated individual who has not had a Covid infection represents a health threat to the vaccinated.
Now if we look at vaccination as an individual and not as a public health matter, obviously the vaccine has a very small chance of causing problems. Fortunately, the chances of a serious event after vaccination are vanishingly small when compared with the possible risk from wild type infection, but nonetheless, there's still a small risk and naturally, an individual will baulk at that risk, and it is the nature of humans to worry about what looks like an immediate threat rather than something that might happen later. Which is probably why the public health approach is promoted, because if you know you are contributing to herd immunity by risking the vaccine (and you are), then you might be persuaded to do it not just for yourself, but for the rest of society. Certainly, I heard younger people in Twickenham queuing for vaccines over last weekend saying they realised vaccination was the way out of lockdown and restrictions and it was necessary for a high percentage take up for that to be the effect, so that idea does work for some people.
As for information on patient leaflets, that has been changed to include the possibility of VITT with the adenovirus vector ones - I am not sure if there have been changes to the PIL for the mRNA vaccines.
As for previous, old trials against the more common coronavirus infections that cause colds (if that's what you mean), they are not relevant - the 4 coronavirus that have been around for years and are still circulating are not the same as SARS-Cov19. You may be referring instead to attempts to create a vaccine for SARS1, an infection which killed people about 27 years ago - fortunately, that was readily containable because people were not infectious until they were aware of being sick, unlike SARS-Cov19, which means that SARS1 no longer exists - which meant any attempt at creating a vaccine was dropped. And it was twenty years ago, these trials you refer to - technology and medicine have moved on since then, so mentioning those trials in relation to Covid19 vaccines is pointless because they're irrelevant.
Regardless of all said here, whether you take a vaccine or not is still a choice, your choice, fortunately, you will not be forced to have one, though I guess there might be certain restrictions on what you can do (like travel overseas), and a need for boringly frequent tests before you go anywhere, but, well, you might prefer to live with those restrictions than take a vaccine. As for demonization, you don't have to be unvaccinated to experience that - demonization in many areas of human life seems to be endemic these days,, immigrants being a prime example. The vaccinated are demonized by certain anti vax sectors too. Demonization is usually based on fear - clearly, vaccinated people may be afraid of those who have not been vaccinated because they could, for real, be a threat to their health. I must admit, I would not be happy to be in an enclosed area with people who have neither had the infection nor been vaccinated.... at least not before vaccination rates are up at a minimum of 80 to 90%. We are currently at 75% for first doses.
I'll just add the source of most of my information is as follows: Dr. John Campbell; Medcram; and Dr. Mobeen for lots more intricate detail for those of us with a scientific bent or interest. All these are reputable, non political medical/scientific sources on youtube which I have been watching since February last year, and I joined the ZOE Covid app a little later last year, which also provides good information. I did not base my decision to take the vaccine on what official government sources said, though I did listen to them., but it was probably easier for me to decide because I have a science background. Although I can't say I didn't feel a sense of trepidation when I went for it...
Well I didn't ask for an essay. It was rather condescending - I know full well why the government say they are doing this all for, as opposed to the real reason which lies elsewhere which I won't waste time going into as you probably wouldn't want to know anyway.
You say that the vaccines are effective urh except not very??? I mean 65% effectiveness. That's supposed to be good? A person would be better off getting covid by far with those odds. What is a vanishingly small risk for vaccination? As I've pointed out already that statement is contradicted by the tens of thousands of serious side effects registered with yellow card. In reality this is likely only a small proportion of the true number also as I've explained. Covid itself has a vanishingly small risk of hospitalization and death. Who would say that? Well Chris Whitty has said it twice on live TV in the last year. I laughed because I knew most people would not hear him telling the truth (for once).
So its ok to demonize people then, 2 wrongs make a right?
I can't say I'm suprised you have dismissed my point about previous coronaviruses. It is very relevant - antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) phenomenon is well-known in research circles, enough that Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson and Moderna included it as a risk of significant concern in their covid 19 vax protocols based on RSV, dengue and feline coronavirus. A Research paper from last year examining the research on ADE with previous coronaviruses reached the similar conclusion stating and I quote "that this (ADE) is a non theoretical and compelling risk for covid19 vaccines". And yes SARS (and MERS) were also mentioned as having trials where ADE was observed.
You have contradicted yourself by saying some people don't get covid badly yet somehow our immune systems are naive. That is nonsensical and unscientific. Either our bodies recognize a new virus and deal with it effectively or they don't and everybody is equally vulnerable. The latter is laughably untrue. Why would you be so scared of standing close to an unvaccinated person? Unless you have serious underlying health conditions, which would make you vulnerable to any virus not just covid.
I won't go on with this its getting nowhere. I'm not going to try and convince you of this , what would be the point? But you make so many inaccurate statements you inevitably invite a rebuttal as there's almost nothing I can agree with.
You asked some questions - I answered them, that's all. I am sorry you are having a negative emotional response to my answer; it appears there is a gap in your basic knowledge of biology which you apparently prefer to maintain. You are absolutely right when you say there is no point in continuing this, and certainly no point in your explaining further.
Well if there is a gap in my understanding of biology how about explaining what you think that is so I can judge? You seem to imply I have an absolutist position, but I don't. If I'm wrong I'm happy to be proved so, I take no ego onboard here.
seems people arent weighing up the pro's and cons, many claiming they know what they are, and then spouting government retoric instead of facts, vaccines dont stop infection or transmission, taking an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99.7 survival rate which may well have lower survival rate than the virus itself. Claiming its for the safety of others, wrong, its an entirely selfish thing for your own personal safety, it will be the vaccinated with the wrong information who will be the problem, thining theyre safe, thinking theyre making others safe when it does nothing of the sort. taking a vaccine which has had any adverse effects claims waived. not only are the majority ill informed but theyre spreading this misinformation as fact , good luck with that !!!
Oh, give it a rest - we've all heard it endlessly for weeks, its got old and boring, If you don't want a vaccine, don't have one, but stop spreading all that nonsense to make yourself feel better about your decision, just own your decision and carry on with your life as you did before. You have an inalienable right to choose not to have a vaccine without spouting all that nonsense; equally, those who have a vaccine have a right to do so without having to listen to it..
The headache I got from Covid was a million times worse than the migraine headache I got from the first AZ vaccine and I got no headache from the second AZ vaccine (and I’m the person whose migraine is triggered by anything - even the flu vaccine).
I've been sat here reading the arguments back and forth and I honestly am not surprised a lot of people steer clear of social media and forums.
We are all supposed to be adults on here - exercising common sense and exhibiting understanding and compassion. This is a health forum where people come together to share their experiences with their health - not where we come to argue about whether people should or shouldn't have a vaccine.
I try to stay out of the way but when I see people blatantly trying to belittle others I have to step in and say my piece.
Firstly, I've had my first Pfizer vaccination two weeks ago. I had a sore arm and that was it. No extra migraines/headaches/sickness/lethargy - so I was lucky. There are a hell of a lot of people who deal with migraines (like I do) on a daily basis and the vaccination has either caused an increase or has been a contributing factor.
There are a LOT of pros and cons to vaccinations. I think we can all agree on that. I will always take a vaccination for something that a has a reasonably high percentage chance of affecting me b has a high percentage chance of effecting my partner who has rheumatoid arthritis. I understand that there are a lot of people who don't like taking vaccinations and my response is - that's their prerogative. I have no right to tell them that my opinion/choice is right and their is wrong - and vice versa.
Like I said, my partner is classed as highly vulnerable as she has R.A but I would never feel that I have the right to make people feel like s**t because they chose not to have the vaccination. I vaccinate for myself, for my partner. Other friends and family members chose to vaccinate for themselves, their close friends and my partner. That's not to say that we hold any sway on right or wrong. It was our choice.
Please, can we stop trying to hit each other with sticks - the scientific data is out there for all to read. If you choose to vaccinate - great. If not - great, that's your choice too. But for goodness sakes, give it a rest with the arguments because frankly it's childish, immature and just downright bloody annoying. I come on here to try and share my experiences with my daily battle with - not end up having one through the stress of seeing everyone arguing.
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