How the authorities are using and abuseing the vulnerable to cover up there mistakes I need answers to these questions I can't get answers

This is just a game these so called professional are playing with vulnerable adult lifes

And this to me is so unprofessional professional and don't make any sense to me so can any please give me answers to these questions because I am so confused

The accommodation is unregulated and unregistered has care support company

They are just there to support a independent person with full capacity

And there for the support workers have no experience and qualifications to look after someone with health and social care needs and complex needs

You can't give someone full capacity and then put 24 hour care in place

you can't give someone full capacity and then take away there bank card and money and be in control of there finances

You cant give someone full capacity and then put 24 hour supervision in place

You can't give someone full capacity and take away there human rights

You can't give someone full capacity and control who they can see and who they can't see has in family

You can't give someone full capacity and use social isolation to keep them away from there family

You can't give someone full capacity and be in control over there correspondence ie letters and privet paper work

You can't give someone full capacity and keep them prisoner in there own flat were they are restricted and can't go out of there own accord

You can't give someone full capacity and speak up for them by saying he doesn't want anthing to with his family

You can't give someone full capacity who can't read and write and do maths

You can't give someone full capacity who can't handle there own finance and bank card and money

You can't give someone full capacity when they cant read there own letters and correspondence

You can't give someone full capacity who can't use a phone to call there relative

You cant give someone full capacity who can't use there incom in there flat

you can't give someone full capacity who can't organize there own life

You can't give someone full capacity when they are self-neglecting

You can't give someone full capacity when they can't write them selfs a shoping list

You cant give someone full capacity when they have obsessions like achol radios and tobacco and this is there autism

You can't give someone full capacity when they have autism challengeing behaviour and learning difficulties

You can't give someone full capacity when they have no concept of the way the world around them works

You can't give someone full capacity when they have no idea how to use a phone to call the doctor if they are unwell

You can't give someone full capacity when you can't have a conversation with you about life in general

You can't give someone full capacity when they don't understand what the word consent means

You can't give someone full capacity and useand abuse there mental health to keep family members away from them because they are making to many complaints

You can't give someone full capacity and use othere members of family has ther next of kin because they don't say anything and they are the quite ones

You can't give someone full capacity and say part of there family has no rights in knowing anthing about what is going on

You can't give someone full capacity and keep part of there family out of the loop

You can't give someone full capacity and don't talk to one side of there family

You can't give someone full capacity and ignore the noisy member's of family who are complaning to much

Because this is extremely unprofessional of social workers and support workers this is in there job description they have a duty of care and code of conduct to respect all family members concerns and there vulnerable relative and should not be pushing these concerns a side and ignoring the calls of these concernd family members and say we are asking there vulnerable relative who doesn't understand what the world around means and saying they have asked them if they are ok and again using this word full capacity instead of listening to the concerns of there family members and doing it the legal way and to do full assessment and full legal documents to check out the concerns of these relative who are making all these complaints this is all in there job description but they are all breaching there contracts by not abiding by the law and using he has full capacity has a get out of jail free card just so they don't have to do any legal documents and assessment because this will make them all look bad because if they did do this the legal way they would find out he doesn't have full capacity so the social worker and authorities are now hiding behind this full capacity card and again using and abuseing there vulnerable patients to cover up there own mistakes by not putting the correct care in place the legal way and doing everything underhanded and getting away with it because they have titles before there names and are professional so every one is believing them and not believing there relatives who has loads more experience and qualification in the care of there vulnerable relative who knows there needs inside out and nobody is listening to them because again everyone is covering each others backs and using this get out of jail free card full capacity

[Carol710]

I can well understand where your coming from and very upsetting that they work that way .But if it’s taken on a point of law you do have Rights also your vulnerable Adult to protect them and this needs to be address has time goes on ,and not use a lot of Bull talk or say they have Full capacity if that was the Case none of these Adults would be needing Care or Support what so ever then and that statement would mean there safe to get on with there own life with out Help from others or relatives etc..So you should ask for help on grounds of the Law where you stand and of course the loved ones we’ve being caring. For over 40 years now and some not getting Help or Support and of course still on going it’s so sad 😞

[Hidden in reply to Carol710]

Honestly I have addressed the abuse and neglect and my concerns with the police and they to don't want to know they are saying it is a social care matter I have even been to the police station in person with all my evidence and still they would not talk to me and take a look at all the evidence I have this also tells me the police to have to cut back on there own finances and resources because this would take time and money to investigate a case of this matter so even the police have no coners in protecting a vulnerable adult who cant stick up for them selfs and protect them selfs and nobody wants to listen to there relative because it would cost time and money and use up resources to do a full investigation so has I say I am now just waiting for the sad call if any of the authorities can be bothered to inform any of his family what a very uncaring sad world we live in 😥 many thanks for your comments god bless you wish you all the best 💙

[Carol710 in reply to Hidden]

Well then you need to see a solicitor one that deals in helping vulnerable Adults to get the Help you need if this has to be your last resort and hopefully you can get the help you need,sorry I can’t be of much help but wish you all the best ❤️

[49Twister in reply to Hidden]

I agree with Carol710 but I think you definitely need some support. Have you got a CARERS Centre near you? Give them a ring, honestly I can’t praise them enough for the support and advice I’ve received from them. I live in Newcastle, so any organisation is only as good as the people that work there. Hopefully you would be allocated a support worker who would help you deal with all these issues, letters, meetings etc and possibly be able to recommend a reputable solicitor. I seem to remember I may be wrong, but did you see a solicitor last year regarding the concerns for your brother. I can’t remember the outcome but maybe he just wasn’t the right person and you need someone with the speciality of helping people like your brother. You sound as though you’ve exhausted every avenue and got nowhere!! You probably need some time out but when you feel up to it, contact the CARERS Centre, I feel you need support from someone who is not emotionally invested, like other family members are. Good luck

[Hidden in reply to 49Twister]

Many thanks I have found one in my area I will give them a ring again thank you so much for your support very much appreciated 💙

[MontyCat]

Hi. I am astonished that anyone can argue your son has full capacity when you have shown that, for so many elements of his life, he does not. Who made the assessment? You might find it helpful to contact the SCIE (scie.org.uk) - they can provide Independent Mental Capacity Advocates which may help you to challenge the stance your local authority appears to be taking. If your son requires personal care, then that as well as all his other needs, should be clear in his Strength Based Assessment plan and in the care package he receives. The CQC can't step in to help with situations involving companies not CQC registered, but if personal care is required, the care company should have CQC registration. If social services put the unregulated, unregistered company in place for your son, you have the right to make a formal complaint against them. Hope this helps.

[Hidden in reply to MontyCat]

Thank you I spoken to the manager to day from this Company you want believe the conversation I had I have made a recording he was trying every witch way he can and was absolutely avoiding my questions and not answering me unbelievable but thank you for your advice much appreciated 💙

[Hidden in reply to MontyCat]

It was a so called social worker who dose not know her job who done these assessment and trust me the emails I have of this social worker is so unprofessional you would not believe how unprofessional they are he was born with all these complex needs autism and challenging behaviour and learning difficulties he has no concept of how life works and doesn't know no life skills what so ever but all of a sudden he has fully recovered from this life long disability and all his complex needs and this unprofessional social worker has give him a clean bill of health and suddenly learned how to do his life skills and put into independent living and given full capacity when he can't read and write and do his maths and has no organising skills what so ever and now we cant go and help him and care for him because these social workers will not let us in to his flat because if we go any where near his flat they will have us arrested for trespassing it is absolutely disgusting the way they are treating these poor vulnerable adults and social isolationing and using social deprivation and stopping any interaction with there familys I don't know how they can leave someone so vulnerable without any family interaction because my brother doesn't understand he his being used and abused in this way I cant even phone him he can't use a phone the authorities know what they are doing when they are picking on vulnerable adults who cant protect them selfs from this sort of abuse and neglect and the authorities are throwing this get out of jail card consent and capacity it totally and utterly horrible game they are playing with vulnerable adults lifes so they dont have to put the correct care in place for them

Many thanks for your post much appreciated all the best 💙

[cautiouscandy]

Hello there, I feel very angry on your behalf, such a nightmare for you that all these people are covering each others backs to deny your brother better, appropriate care for his needs. I am not surprised by such disgraceful behaviour. It is scandalous that such responses are the "norm" quite often.

I also feel that you need legal help and I believe that legal aid is available for cases of community care law even, if you are handling this on your brother's behalf. And/or complaining to the Care Ombudsman, as mentioned in the letter in your post , could help.

I expect that neither of those things could do any harm.

Has anyone mentioned writing to your MP. If you can manage to take further measures one step at a time, even in tiny steps, I hope this will all get a little easier for you in your strive to help stop your brother being so badly failed.

I hope I can encourage you by saying I have known others take all the above measures over the years for one reason or another and each case has improved their situations.

I wish you strength and courage my dear!

[Hidden in reply to cautiouscandy]

Thank you so much for your post it doesn't matter whitch way I turn the get of of jail card always is being used consent and capacity I have tryed a couple of times and emailed the mp to no avail I even put a a letter of complaint on my brothers behalf and got him to sign it the best way he could and I put this complaint in and gess what they could not uphold it because they told me my brother didn't give his consent when spoken to him apparently so again the get out of jail free card come out consent and capacity and my brother cant read and write so I put this complaint together for him because the support workers in this independent accommodation have taken his bank card and they open his letters and all his correspondence and will not let him go out on his own and keeping him locked up in own flat and will not give him is own key yet he has got full capacity and had assessment to say he has got full capacity and are in full control over my brothers whole life and are social isolationing and using social deprivation to keep his family away because we are doing to much complaints and are saying your brother dose not want anything to do with any of his family because it is his consent and he has full capacity to make his own mind up but my brother is not allowed to tell us face to face him self it is the support workers and the social worker saying this because all my brother talks about is his family because of his autism he only relates to his family and the social worker and support workers are completely stopping my brother from any social interaction with any of his family it is absolutely disgraceful the way they are using and abuseing these vulnerable adults in this awful way this is criminal offence and not even the police are interested they have told me it is a social matter I went to the police station with all the evidence and proof and they didn't want to help me one bit I was begging them to let me show them all my evidence and proof and nobody wanted to see me or here me out and turned me away sorry for my long repose But many thanks for your post very much appreciated and bless you💙

I have tryed everything and every where and even tryed solicitor and nobody wants to help me because it is the authorities and mental health and nobody seems to want to take my case on

[cautiouscandy]

Oh dear, no apology needed for the length of your reply.

They seem well able to twist things to their advantage for sure.

I hope more people can become known to you who have the same or similar experiences where the get out of jail card is being used to their disadvantage also. It would be great if this scandalous action could become more widely known so that it's seen for what it is ie an abuse of the system resulting in inadequate care being provided.

The social care system is failing so many and it needs to become a hot political issue to show this up big time. If your loved one has "full capacity", as they claim, then why are they opening his mail for one thing...

There is a law against Coercive Control and that is coming to my mind on the 'mail opening' for one thing.

I do hope something comes to light where you can get somewhere.

Sorry if I'm wrong but this is your brother isn't it? Is your brother likely to say yes to them because he lacks the mental capacity to say no eg regarding seeing you - I'm thinking about them telling you that he doesnt want to see you and that they may be asking him that question and he's saying yes ( I don't want to see my sister) in answer, when he doesn't fully understand the consequences of the question.

This is a nightmare and could happen to any of us who try and strive for better care and treatment of our loved ones, in places where there is no CQC inspection for starters...

I really do wish you tremendous luck in all this and do hope something turns up that can be of help. You didn't mention if you have tried the relevant Ombudsman. Is that something you might look into if you haven't already? Have you contacted the National Autistic Society helpline, at least to bring it to their attention?

A positive thought I have is that you have sort of brought out the worst in them by challenging their approaches with your brother and that can come back to bite them, if their is justice in this world. and show them up for the terrible way they are behaving. It is really a very poor show from them when the best they can do is resort to such an obviously ridiculous measure of claiming that your brother has full capacity when he really doesn't, which is what you are trying so hard to argue. It is the unreasonable person who moves mountains, eg Nigel Farage who would not lie down over the failings of the EU. Do keep on being unreasonable! Behaviours are contagious, if you do it others will follow and this scandal will become known for what it is ie an attempt to gloss over a failing system by malicious means.

My heart goes out to you and to your brother.

[Hidden]

Yes my brother is a yes and no man so what they are doing is saying to him your sister's are coursing trouble do want to see them and of course he will say no and they will say something on the lines because I have put a complaints in on his behalf they will say to him again your sister's are causing you trouble do you consent to the complaints and then my brother will say no they will not ask him to explain the complaint because again my brother can't hold a conversation like that so the authorities use serton words sisters are making trouble or your sister's want you moved out of your flat so the authorities are making out that we are the bad guys and my brother will then say no because he is a yes no man and they are using this way to keep his family out off his life again this is how they are getting away it and has I say using and abuseing my brothers mental to there advantage and yes I have put a load of complaints in to the ombudsman and again my brother didn't give his consent because the authorities are using serton words to my brother and making out that his family are the bad guys and they know he will say no because has I say you only have to put serton words to my brother and the authorities know this and this is how they are using the vulnerable who doesn't understand they know he will say yes or no to any thing he only understands radios tobacco and achol so the authorities are using bribes has well has these are the only things that he thinks about because of his autism this is one of the things they do with autism they have obsessions so again this is how the authorities are getting my brother to do want they want by bribing him with these obsessions he has so for instance if he has a appointment to see a doctor they will promise to get one off these three things to make him go but again they do not carry out there bribe and then this will cause my brother then to have a melt down and this is challengeing behaviour kicking in so this is how the authorities are using my brothers mental to there own advantage because my brother is a yes and no man he only understands serton words and the authorities are playing on this it is absolutely unacceptable so again this is how they are also using this get out of jail free card consent and capacity Many thanks for your post most helpful to have people understand where I am coming from and yes we need more people to bring this situation to the forefront

bless you all the best 💙

[Skye51 in reply to Hidden]

Sadly my daughter has experienced the same supported living experience. Family excluded through safeguarding even though they declared she lacks mental capacity. No advocacy of representation for safeguarding. Care company blamed family as abusive, racist, discriminate towards males. Social will not accept there are serious problems with supported living. Due to extensive totally unfounded accusations from Care provider against family they are continuing to profiteer from the most vulnerable in society and social cover up this as it reflects badly on them. Have you managed to move forward at all?