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Summer Speed Challenge, a li'l midweek update with cramp news! 👾

Summer Speed Challenge, a li'l midweek update with cramp news! 👾

Hi all!

★ Just so you know, if any of your challenge runs are a little more or less than your stated distance, let me know and I will include that in the calculations to give you an accurate result. Your data will be presented as the increase (or decrease - it happens!) each week in pace as seconds/km.

★ In running news, here's an article about the latest research into the causes of your old friend the CRAMP! Particularly interesting are the theories about the mechanisms of pickle juice magic :)

trainright.com/muscle-cramp...

Speedy running, all!

Abix

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Ta. Pickle juice can be used in bread making too

There’s a use for everything 😁👍

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... except for those tiny little cycle paths that don't go anywhere :D

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Titter 😃

The dog and I followed a bogus trail which landed us in some wild roses at the end of a point of no return The dog looked at me with disgust 🙄

All good fun though ey. Although it is easier to turn a dog round in a confined space than a bike ☺️

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True dat

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You’ve been to Burgess Hill then 🤣

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How bizarre, I have been having a conversation about the merits of pickle juice on Facebook last night.

Great album choice btw

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Ha, yeah I saw that, and then this article coincidentally appeared in the Ultramarathon Daily News blog I was catching up with.

I thought the Smell seemed appropriate, as I would like to give the pickle juice a try but I'm sure I'll just end up with it all down my top...

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The American ultra running group I am in on FB bang on about this all the time and they have flavoured drinks and god knows what else embelished with it... I love a nice gherkin but I cant say I have ever drank its juice.

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Mmmm gherkins...

I need to join that group, they sound funny :)

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I grow cornichons and eat them as is. No pickling em here. Yum 😋

Got loads at the mo 😃

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Prevents cramp and and chance of getting kissed too!

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Oh no! But then again I don't usually get many offers when I'm out running...

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No me neither, not since I was a kid and played kiss-chase!

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My wife and children laugh at me for my fondness of things pickled. Especially picked onions which are really hard to come by here. But even I draw the line at drinking the juice. Cant see that going well on a hot marathon day 🤢😊

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I love pickles too! Maybe you should get into pickling?

I think pickly things could make a nice change from all the sweet stuff during a marathon...

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My family may disown me if I did that. 😳But after all this pickle talk, Maybe we should try some baby dill pickles on our next long run? If we can take cheese then why not pickles? There’s no bad time for a pickle after all. Not the juice tho, I can’t endorse that message...

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Do you know Branston Pickle? Ima take a cheese and Branston sandwich with me :D

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I’ve heard of Branston but never actually tried them. It sounds good to me though 👍🏼

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It's a sort of chutney. My brother lives in the US and he tracks it down wherever he can, so it's probably addictive...

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You could be right ... I lived for 2 years in the USA and the only two foodstuffs that I craved were Branston pickle and steak pie. I never did find a pie but was ecstatic to track down the Branston - even at 4x the UK price :)

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There you go then :)

Americans love their pies, but they do tend to favour the sweet ones...

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Indeed ... cherry pie, apple pie, pumpkin pie, key lime pie - anything but steak pie :)

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I thought I would die of pie last time I went over there - there was this Pi day party...

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Thats my kind of party. I love me some pie 🥧

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There was this chocolate pecan pie, oh my ears and whiskers.........

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Good gravy! Sign me up!

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Looks like I can get it on Amazon. And they have my Marks and Sparks pickled onions too! Going to place an order once I get enough stuff to qualify for the free shipping :)

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Pickle heaven!!!

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Yes! At this rate I will be living on the front porch soon!

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I grow dill and cornichons. dill has to be the best scented plant, ever

Put them together and mmmmmmm😋

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Beetroot. Carnage 😁

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I used to get debilitating calf cramps on obstacle races. Then I discovered pickle juice and it worked a dream. I did a 32 mile obstacle race and had a small bottle of it in my water belt. I ended up administering it to (and curing) so many other runners , including a whole team of Italians, that I got the nickname Dr Pickle (which sounds better in a flamboyant Italian accent)

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The liquid from a supermarket jar of pickles? The "juice" part confuses me :)

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Well home pickles are better as less artificial additives etc obvs but supermarket at a push. I would go for a proper kosher brand rather than a supermarket own brand. But yes, it is the pickling liquor that is the magic.

Have a read of any of the works of Sandor Katz

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Can see no artifice mentioned on my Polish gherkin jar label - other than that of the pickling itself I suppose!

Thanks for the tip! As an ex-microbiologist this fascinates me, although I'm still not sure about drinking that kombucha stuff :)

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what troubles you about kombucha?

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Sounds horrible!

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lolwut? It is delicious. It takes on whatever flavour you make it with.

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:) Over and above the general sweet-vinegary-tea-ness?

It's fizzy though, right? I can get with that.

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Yes.

And you can terrify children and some adults with the mother Scoby. My children and GF will not go in the same room with the ‘organisms’ in jars.

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Win-win!

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And when the mother has too many offspring you can either cut them up and put them in smoothies or dry them to a semi jelly/jerky consistency and have them as running snacks

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This is fermenting, you’re talking about, yes?

Would you what I’d need to ferment milk? I quite like Kefir, but everywhere I go it’s pasteurised, which I think defeats the purpose, doesn’t it?

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But... kombucha is fermented isn’t it? That’s not the same as pickled...

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We digressed into fermentation as Abi mentioned kombucha. Pickling and fermenting are different yes, although some pickles are fermented so they are not mutually exclusive.

To make your own kefit, all you need is some kefir grain as a starter (you can get them on Ebay) and some milk and a clean non metallic vessel. You can also make water kefir.

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I love a good digression 👍

Thanks 🙂

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I went to Sandor Katz's website and got all excited by all the fermentation :)

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Someone's freecycling a kombucha SCOBY in Brighton :D

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Grab it! An exciting new life of fermentation and enhanced gut biomery awaits! Surely this is fate calling?

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Argh!

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i worked next door to microbiology, in histopathology. Different hospital to yours though 😁

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I worked in a factory :D

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😁

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That’s amazing! So it actually works! It sounds like you need just a little at a time?

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yes,

a couple of sips.

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I don’t currently run long enough to get serious cramps but it is good to know there is a solution for them

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This explains the pickles being served at the very hot Helsinki Marathon/Street Run.

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I need to run that marathon.

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Man I love drinking the juice from cornichons and such, when I was little I used to steal vinegar from the cupboard and drink that too. At last! I have a good reason for doing it!

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:)

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Cider vinegar is reputed to have all sorts of health benefits - would this prevent cramps too? I give it to my pet hens in their drinking water every day, and once used it to treat an acute snotty nose/cold in one of my cats - amazingly effective!

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Unknown - perhaps you could give it a try!

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Have your chickens have ever complained of cramp?

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No! It obviously works! ;)

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The ACV with the “mother” in it from the pet shop is fine for us to drink. Not sure it helps with cramp 🤷‍♀️ It’s said to lower cholesterol 😁. Good for hard skin on the feet too 😁

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The pet shop sells it?

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Yup, as it’s in additive for poultry water. Keeps them laying yer see, and in all-round tip top health It has to have the “mother” in it which gets killed off in the pasteurised supermarket version, eg wine vinegars

You can buy it for humans, unpasteurised but safe for human consumption from Aspalls and the like, but it’s dearer than from t’pet shop. You can see it online for more info

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... and most decent grocery stores, for humans too ;) Organic with mother is the best.

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Right then. Is this where we are posting run times ? If,so, for my 8 k last night my time was 50:02. Dang! 😬

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Aw :( Well, next week is a new week! :)

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I am a bit done in this week. My calf is complaining bitterly. I blame the cross trainer 😁. The PT fella got me going on it, doing fast 400 km intervals

It’s new to me so a bit brutal I thought 😃. Great fun though. Who knew 😁

I wore my new Nike’s last night and they were fine. Bit hot though with my new free Karrimor socks ( 2 pairs)👍. No, I,didn’t wear two pairs 😁😁😁🙄

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Sorry to hear about the calf. I guess it's getting stronger though!

Thank goodness you didn't wear both pairs :) Hoorah for Nikes!

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Wow! Not surprised you're done in! 400 km intervals??? You could paddle in the sea if you live near enough ... very good for sore calves / feet. They do it for racehorses too :) :)

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400 metres I think I should have said ☺️😃

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Nikes seem well made compared to the Saucony. The last pair of Saucony I bought, and sent back, were like a composite felt rather than a woven mesh. Hmmm. Paper shoes! I am still trying to find the elusive Kinvara 5 though. Sigh

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