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Put a Spring in your Step: The April Challenge

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a couple of days late but if I had posted it on the 1st you'd have assumed it was an April Fool's prank. So this is the Marathon group April challenge, not another madcap Rhomboid Channel escapade.

And it's really simple:

Now that Winter behind us and Spring is finally, hopefully here, it's time to shake off that hibernatory slumber and winter padding behind and put a spring in your step. This month is about getting faster.

There is often a lot of emphasis (a LOT of emphasis) on going slowly. Of being slow but steady. Of slowing down and concentrating on distance. Of not pushing ourselves because dire consequences.

Well this month we are going to go the other way. We are going to push ourselves and we are going to get faster.

Now that doesn't mean you have to start doing your 20 milers at 5k pace or sprinting your recovery runs, do constant interval training or even do all your runs at an increased pace.

Choose one of your regular weekly runs. It can be your long distance run or it can be your midweek 10k or even your active recovery day 1 miler, just make it the same one each week, and do it a bit faster than last week. If you're doing an 18 miler on Sundays in 3:15, try to get it down to 3:10 this week. If you're doing 60 minute 10ks a couple of times a week, shave a couple of minutes off on one of them this week. Then next week do it again, only a little faster. And so on throught the month.

4 weeks, 4 increases in speed.

It doesn't have to be race pace. You're not aiming to to get a new PB, just to progressively increase the speed of one of your training runs (althouh if you want to you can). You don't have to break yourself, but you do have to push yourself a bit.

Record your chosen distance and starting time. Then each week record your new time and the amount you have improved by.

At the end of the month someone who is clever at maths and spreadsheets will work out whose improvement is best, weighted for distance and initial speed ( they may even produce a table of results. I have no idea. I have no idea who that person may be but am sure amongst a community of marathon trainers there is someone who is nerdily inclined in that manner).

The winner may or may not receive a prize but everyone who participates will receive a boost to their performance.

Run, Bullseye, run like the wind!

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roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon

Damn. Wish I could play! Stupid leg. I am 'nerdily inclined' though :)

Lordi profile image
LordiMarathon

This comes at just the right time for me as my Asics HM plan recently started a "Getting faster" phase for 8-12km runs. Thanks! Great idea!

I did some stoopid too fast 5k runs before I learned to slow down, and so, because of that I've never tried to push for a good baseline 10k time, I've just been focussed on increasing my plodding mileage.

Distance = 10k

Starting PB = 01:04:39 (Strava estimated best effort)

Lordi profile image
LordiMarathon in reply to Lordi

All the "getting faster" runs on my Asics HM plan have worked! I was only planning to jog a 10k at 6:00 pace today to get nearer to the sub 1 hr barrier but felt good at 5k so speeded up on the home leg to get in under the hour.

5:54, 6:07, 5:59, 6:01, 6:00, 5:52, 5:40, 5:40, 5:35, 5:31

10k old PB 1:04:39

New PB 8th April 58:23

Very happy with a 6 min improvement!

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Rignold in reply to Lordi

Blimey. Well done. That’s setting the bar high.

Of course you have made a rod for your own back in that you have to better that again for the next 3 weeks.

But worry about that next week. For now bask in the glory(and don’t overdo the red wine)

Lordi profile image
LordiMarathon in reply to Rignold

Cheers Rignold! With age against me I'll take a PB at any time a can get one! Having a few glasses of wobble water right now to celebrate! Got a 700 calorie deficit to play with!

Only decided to up the pace after 5k today because I felt good. Might try to run whole 10k below 5:40 next time to try to nibble that 10k PB down closer to a 5:30 pace before my HM in mid May. Plan to run my first HM at a touch under 6:00 pace to try to get as close as I can to a sub 2hr time.

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mcgurranhouseMarathon in reply to Lordi

6 minutes? Good lord! Very well done!

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Lordi

That's an average pace of 38 s/km faster, putting you in a very strong lead so far :)

Lordi profile image
LordiMarathon in reply to roseabi

I think I got a lot fitter with Asics only giving me 8km fast runs up until recently. So I never "went for it" on a 10k. This week I have to run 12k at min 5:38! Could be interesting!

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ju-ju-Marathon

Love this..

Ok so for me it’s my regular 5k which I call The Fang. It’s basically a double mountain of 300 feet climb. strava.com/activities/14791...

It’s hard. So I can do it in 31 minutes at present and I would like to aim for 29 by the end of the month. I will be doing weekly intervals to get my speed up. 🤜🏽

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon

Woot go Ju-Ju 😁💪👍🏃‍♀️

Yeah count me in! Running! Nothing slightly pomcuter or stats related as i is a dud 🤓🧐🤨🤔😳😖😁

Starting a new plan shortly so a good time methinks. Zip a dee doo dah .....

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

Can you tell us your distance and current pb?

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

Yup. Bear with 😁 just got to wrap up my current plan, eg three runs. My new plan will show me what distance I shall choose for our fab quest. I might have to lump the three remaining runs together to get them done and dusted. I seem to do nothing but walk dogs! I want to break free, I want to break free. Break free-eeeee

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

Nae rush :)

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

I’m now cogitating, ruminating, ummimg and aaghing 🙄

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to misswobble

Hmmmm a 5, an 8 or a 10k? 🧐🤨🤓🤔. Eeny meeny miny mo 😁

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to misswobble

Ok! Prevarication over! 8km. PB 00:44:34. Not managed to beat that in two years. I did that time on a windy, wet day 25.04.16

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

Lovely!

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

It’s my dreaded Hagg Hill 😳 Oh well, if you’re going to challenge yourself 😁

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

Do you want to change your base time from your 8K pb to the time you have usually been taking to do that route? Your results don't look very good...

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

Yeah, I could do an average instead. Would you suggest that?

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

That makes sense. You can still aim at the pb of course :)

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

Right then, I worked out the average which is 00:48:47.

(AVP = 6.06 min/km)

I have completed my current myasics plan so just about to get a fresh one 💪👍😃🏃‍♀️

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

Lovely stuff.

So would you like to repeat your week 1 run of that route, now that you have your base time to beat? Technically you still have time, since the challenge didn't start til Wednesday last week :)

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

I will do it this very morning! 💪👍😃🏃‍♀️

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

Go Wobble!!! 💪

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misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

I did! I went!!!!! Like a blee*in rocket! Music spurred me on. Started with (old) Bat out of Hell, then it was the whole of Audiofuel Second Hour (rolls eyes) then Paranoid (Black Sabbath) and Led Zep's Whole Lotta Love. Nothing like some banging rock tunes to make your shift yer ass.

Ahem. Pin your ears back. My time (and I have taken photos of my stats as I can't quite believe my eyes, tee hee) 00:44:26 for 8.01km = 5:54 min/km

Not a bad start! Yesssss! punches air.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

WOW! Well done :)

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

I'm still smiling! Just shows what being challenged does for ya! I really enjoyed though. it was a blast! It's a hillyish route and there's a longish uphill drag at the end The very end is a so**ing mud bath where I get my shoes ruined. Bah!

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

Yes, it's fantastic! And just what I expected of you :)

Hope you're up to the challenge of the next 3 weeks!

Shame about the shoes...

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

Yup. On it like a car bonnet Vrooooooom 😁

I keep my holey shoes specifically for this route

Curlygurly2 profile image
Curlygurly2Half Marathon

I'm starting from such a low base I can't fail to get faster!

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to Curlygurly2

Ey up Curly 😃👋

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Curlygurly2

Are you joining the challenge, and if so can you tell us your chosen distance and current base time?

Anniemurph profile image
AnniemurphHalf Marathon

I can do three runs! I'm so excited I will start running on 10th April again :D And I'm like Curlygurly2 , I can't help but get faster :D

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to Anniemurph

Yay, the band are back together 😁

Anniemurph profile image
AnniemurphHalf Marathon in reply to misswobble

Oh, yeah! I'm not sure which run to choose though :D I wondered about re-doing W1 R1 for my runniversary and my start back, but I might just find an easy local run and do that. We'll see (and it depends what the weather is like - if there's any more of that white stuff it will be a very short run!)

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WhatsappHalf Marathon

Funny enough I started this on my run this morning before I saw your post. I have been training to run a HM over the winter, and as a result of pacing myself for longer runs my 5k runs have become slower. I want to build that up, at least to where it was.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Whatsapp

Are you joining the challenge, and if so can you tell us your chosen distance and current pb?

Whatsapp profile image
WhatsappHalf Marathon in reply to roseabi

Yes why not. 5k is what I'm looking to focus on now.

My all time PB is 26:40, but my best this year, and what I'm looking to improve on is 29:05.

First run on this plan set yesterday at 28:74

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Whatsapp

Not 74... ?

Whatsapp profile image
WhatsappHalf Marathon in reply to roseabi

Oops no 28:47

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Whatsapp

:)

Whatsapp profile image
WhatsappHalf Marathon in reply to roseabi

Today I ran 28:38, not a massive jump but improving.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Whatsapp

That's what we want to see, well done!

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon

Mine did too. I keep saying Parkrun is the answer but then do nowt about it 😊

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

The trouble with parkrun is it's on a SATURDAY MORNING!! :O

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

Yeah, I like a lie-in. If there’s no dog 🙂

mcgurranhouse profile image
mcgurranhouseMarathon in reply to roseabi

Not only do we do Parkrun on Saturdays but my daughter has volunteered our services for junior Parkrun on Sundays as well so early starts both days!!! To be fair, since I am normally up at 6:15 on weekdays it is still a two hour lie in!

C3PO profile image
C3POMarathon

What a great challenge! Just not the right time for me.

Decker profile image
DeckerUltramarathon

Dang,I wish this was last month’s challenge as I’ve already been doing something like this for the last month and have improved quite a lot over where I was, so I fear I might be maxed for the moment, plus I don’t want to injure anything in the next few weeks before my race. I am still looking to get a little bit faster in 10 tho. 🙂

Madge50 profile image
Madge50Marathon

I’m also up for a bit of speed, I’m using good old Laura and the plan from the C25K speed podcast, e.g 60 second fast then rest at steady pace. Going to see what I can fit in at parkrun.....maybe one or two sets to begin with - then hopefully my overall pace will improve a little......

Mx

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Madge50

Are you joining the challenge? If so could you tell us your current pb? :)

Madge50 profile image
Madge50Marathon in reply to roseabi

Well.....my actual PB at parkrun, a fair while ago was 32:37....( a year ago...actually) recently I’ve been sitting around the 35 min mark, very consistent! And all the way through my HM training.....so, if I can use 35:00 as my benchmark......i’ll be grateful for any improvement! 😂

Mx

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Madge50

Noted :)

AncientMum profile image
AncientMumHalf Marathon

Yep, HM training has made me slower over 5k too. Perhaps its time to add in a few fartleks.........

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to AncientMum

Will you be joining this challenge then Mum? :)

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

Mum, mum, mu-uuuuuuuuuum

😁

AncientMum profile image
AncientMumHalf Marathon in reply to roseabi

Hummmm I'm thinking about it. Last time I tried speeding up I hurt my knee, but I could always try incorporating w1r1 into my longer runs, jogging the walk bits and sprinting the run bits. Last time I did that it paid dividends....

ju-ju- profile image
ju-ju-Marathon

I did the fang this morning and managed to knock a few seconds off each mile which I am pleased about

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to ju-ju-

What was your actual time?

ju-ju- profile image
ju-ju-Marathon in reply to roseabi

My best time previously was 31.29 and today I did it in 30.28 so thats a whole minute!!!

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to ju-ju-

Wow, that's amazing, well done! I'm putting a spreadsheet together...

ju-ju- profile image
ju-ju-Marathon in reply to roseabi

Oh well done, spreadsheets are not my forte at work. I do a good written graph tho...

ju-ju- profile image
ju-ju-Marathon in reply to ju-ju-

healthunlocked.com/couchto5...

Check out my amazing graph ;)

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to ju-ju-

I like that graph :)

Madge50 profile image
Madge50Marathon in reply to ju-ju-

I like the colours, especially the purple, pretty!

😍

Mx

AncientMum profile image
AncientMumHalf Marathon in reply to ju-ju-

Just looked at your amazing graph and read the associated article - can't believe the improvement the participants (and indeed you) made. Perhaps I really do need to do some speed work.......

Rignold profile image
Rignold in reply to ju-ju-

I am useless at spreadsheets. I am good at making beds with hospital corners though. And floofing pillows.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Rignold

I like hospital corners :)

ju-ju- profile image
ju-ju-Marathon in reply to Rignold

I spent many a happy day doing hospital corners in my nursing days. There is something very pleasing about the neatness of it, and this reminds me I bust buy more pillows as mine are very unfloofy.

Madge50 profile image
Madge50Marathon in reply to ju-ju-

Me too, they don’t do them like that any more......duvets now....duvets! ....

Mx

Oh and hands up, who does them on their own beds at home......🙋‍♀️.....old habits.......

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Madge50

Hand up! :)

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

Any news on the spreadsheet! 👀

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

Sorry about the delay, been a bit tied up recently - will sort it it later today :)

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to roseabi

Ooh ta 😃👍

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to ju-ju-

Go you! Yeeeeeeha! 💪👍

Macmac profile image
MacmacMarathon

I shall be continuing my quest to keep chipping away at my 5k time. This is my focus until HM training later in the summer. 30s off would be great but that is getting harder each month 🙂

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Macmac

Will you be joining this challenge? :)

Macmac profile image
MacmacMarathon in reply to roseabi

🙂 yes, I’m up for a challenge! So my normal 5k route best time is 23:00 set last month so I’ll be working on this.

ju-ju- profile image
ju-ju-Marathon in reply to Macmac

great time... what do you want to get it down to?

Macmac profile image
MacmacMarathon in reply to ju-ju-

Thanks 🙂. Well my aim is 22:30 this month but it’s getting tough!

ju-ju- profile image
ju-ju-Marathon in reply to Macmac

That’s impressive! My sons best time is 21 and he nearly busts a gut to get that!!!

Macmac profile image
MacmacMarathon in reply to ju-ju-

😀 thanks hehe - I was pleased to hit 23:00 last month, which was a whole 30s off my previous time, so I thought I’d keep on aiming to improve it until I plateau. This week, I had to run a different 5k route which was muddy and more hilly, so I actually got a slower time of 23:26.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Macmac

Wow - still looks like a result! Do you have a base time for that route, or another comparable one?

Macmac profile image
MacmacMarathon in reply to roseabi

Thanks 🙂 No, I’ve never ran that route before so don’t have a baseline sorry.

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Macmac

No need to apologise, it's just that your week 1 result doesn't look so good, possibly because the route was more hilly etc. But I think the later results will be more interesting anyway :)

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon

Hi All

I am keen to join the challenge, my local 5.3km route fastest so far sitting at 36:12 (two big hills on the route) I would like to shave off at least two minutes on this time :)

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to DiveMonkey

Noted :)

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon in reply to roseabi

Just ran the route in 34:46 so um..... can we change that to lets say 32 min aim :)

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon in reply to DiveMonkey

Not sure if there is a new weekly post for this challenge

Adding my time for this week - ran the same route on Tues very slowly not feeling 100% (in Afrikaans - Ek was n bietjie pap...) and with a swollen arm (grew new arm muscle overnight after my flu shot, must have been an allergic reaction).

But I did manage to improve my 5k time at my running club weekly time trial yesterday with relatively the same hills (60m elevation gain compared to 56m elevation on my 5.2k route) to 33:08.

Now for two rest days before my next HM on Sat :)

Next week I will be in Port Elizabeth so I will not be able to compare times as the route I run while I am there is almost completely flat. So maybe I should aim for a 30min...

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to DiveMonkey

Fine to post here, many thanks :) There will probably be an update post soon.

To clarify is this a 5.2k or a 5.3k route?

And do you mean that your base time is 36:12, your week 1 run was 34:46, and your week 2 was 33:08 (for a 5k)?

Sorry to hear about the swollen arm :(

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon in reply to roseabi

Sorry! Garmin sometimes tells me 5.27/3

Yes so lets say 5.3 km route

2 April : I ran 36:12

5 April: I ran 34:46

10 April: I ran 39:21 (very slow...)

Time trial route

11 April: I ran 33:08 for a 5.03 km

Not sure if this helps?

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to DiveMonkey

No, it's all good :)

So I'll record that you're running 5.3k, and your base run was 36:12, week 1 was 34:46, and week 2 was 33:08 (5.03k - I'm using average pace so it doesn't make any real difference). We'll leave out the April 10th run. OK?

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon in reply to roseabi

Perfect! Thanks :)

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to DiveMonkey

I did a 5.3k race last year, which started at 5.30 in the morning (that's their shtick :) )

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon in reply to roseabi

That is way too early!!!!! what time did you have to get there?!

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to DiveMonkey

I got there about 5 mins before the start, but I walked from home which is about 4k away, so I must have left before 5am! It was lovely though, the weather was beautiful and it was fun. They gave us a very pretty medal, and some fruit and Parmesan cheese (which was a bit weird, but nice). Also we all wore matching t-shirts, so it was all rather glamorous :)

I'm signed up again for it this year :D

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon in reply to roseabi

Sounds like a lot of fun! (random cheese?) If its nearby then why not and a great way to get some of your friends to start running. Although not sure mine would be keen to wake up that early.

I did have to get up at 3:30 for the HM but that just because its a nightmare to find parking, its a 30 min drive to the venue and the start was at 6.

We will probably leave at 5am on Sat for the next HM. Also 30 min drive and parking issues!

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to DiveMonkey

That's pretty damn early!!

We don't seem to have many races here that start at crack of dawn, 9.30-ish is probably the norm. I've noticed that quite a few American ones, for example, start MUCH earlier than that!

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon in reply to roseabi

It gets really hot here in South Africa so they normally start the longer races early so the runners can finish before 12pm.

They are starting a bit later from next month, closer to winter... (it is getting darker in the mornings now)

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to DiveMonkey

Makes sense. I would kinda like it if the races here started earlier though!

DiveMonkey profile image
DiveMonkeyMarathon in reply to roseabi

In Summer most races start between 06:30/07:00 and you are home before 9 (depending on the distance and how far the race is from you home). Then you have the whole Sat/ Sun for yourself. We do have mid week evening races in summer which are quite warm (28-30 degrees at 7pm...)

I am lucky that most races are about a 30 min in any direction. Sometimes there are some closer but I always get there early to get parking and avoid the long loo queues!

Ajs07 profile image
Ajs07

Hi can I join in too please, currently running 7k, best time 56.56 , would like to reduce it to 54.00 ish 😂

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Ajs07

Sure thing!

Ajs07 profile image
Ajs07 in reply to roseabi

Thanks , my plan to work towards a time for 7k about 54.00 mins got smashed today 🤷‍♀️I don’t know how but I did it in 53.48 (3 mins quicker) Do I get a prize for hitting my target so quick 😂 I went out with the aim to get a faster 5k and then slowly do the last 2k but although my 5k wasn’t fast, overall it worked quite well . Wonder if I will be able to do it again 🤞

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to Ajs07

You get massive kudos, but you also have an interesting task to carry on your momentum for the rest of the month :D

Ajs07 profile image
Ajs07 in reply to roseabi

😁 am so chuffed especially as it was so unexpected, I’m aching today though 😂😂 I think I should try to do it again before I aim for a new plan xx

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon

I decided to start today! No time like the present. Ok it was the penultimate run of my current half marathon plan, and was a planned “comfortable” 8k

It’s my usual 8k hill run, appropriately called HaggHill 😁

So, my time today was 00:50:07. ( AVP 6.16 min/km )

Over and out 👍

roseabi profile image
roseabiUltramarathon in reply to misswobble

NB misswobble has re-done her times, see comments earlier in thread

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon

Has all this come to any conclusion?

Rignold profile image
Rignold in reply to misswobble

Very little response in the feedback thread. I am guessing everyone lost interest as the month progressed.

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon in reply to Rignold

Roseabi has the stats and computations about to start. Whizz, whirrrrrr 📡🎛⏱💻🖨👍😃

misswobble profile image
misswobbleMarathon

AJS has deffo completed too

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