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Curiosity got the better of me, I'm starting a 2 week keto plan today, but have a couple of questions, if someone can help please :)

How do you track your carb intake? I've been using cronometer to work recipes out, but notice that a lot of the carb info doesn't match the labels, and I wondered if there's a better tool?

What do you eat if you're peckish, but don't have carb allowance left?

Is it a big deal if you go over on protein?

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Everyone has a slightly different opinion on these questions, so take this for what it's worth and see what others come back with:

1) You don't track your carb intake. Most modern low-carb protocols allow green veg, eggs, and meat without limit, so if you base most of your meals around those there's no need to count anything. If you want to add more carby vegetables - eg., onions, carrots, sweet peppers - just minimize the amount. If you're attempting induction, you omit them completely.

2) Getting peckish is quite unlikely if you're eating proper meals. The key point is that you must eat proper meals. Don't attempt to control your portion sizes or count calories. Just eat until you're full. However if you do feel the need to snack, you can go with cheese, eggs, olives, avocado, or any other very-low-carb, high-fat item that suits your tastes.

3) Humans have a pretty wide acceptable range for protein, but it's hard to eat much more than 1g/kg - you just won't want to. Apart from anything else protein is expensive, so you'll find that in itself places a certain upper limit on how much you can consume. If you feel a need to eat more protein, you may be getting inadequate fat.

If you have a go with some of the dietdoctor.com recipes, your carbs/fat will just be correct without you having to count anything.

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Cooper27 in reply toTheAwfulToad

I dunno, I'm finding it helpful to track carbs just to start out with, it's made me realise how many carbs are in the food I eat (way more than I expected). It's teaching me where the moderate carbs are, so I can hold back on them (e.g. aubergines, peppers).

Today I made the mistake of not eating a big enough breakfast, which meant lunch wasn't enough, and I'm having to hold out for dinner now. I'll eat more tomorrow, and pick up some snacks just in case I still get it wrong!

Thanks for your help :)

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Nico101 in reply toCooper27

Is your fat content high enough? That should make you sated.

I have zero obvious carbs, so I know chucking some red peppers in my salad is going to be fine, for example.

I downloaded a couple of images that show at a glance where fruits and veg are on the glycemic scale - that was quite a shocker, I must say. No carrots!!!

Anyway, I couldn't be bothered to count macros so just doing LCHF at the moment, which is having the desired effect, anyway. I'll go keto when my head's in the right space.

If you search online for fat bomb recipes you'll find loads. I make my own choccies to snack on or will grab a few olives. You won't be hungry for long, anyway. After a few days you will remember to eat only because your tummy rumbles.

Also, if you get your keto recipes online, they should state the macros alongside the other info. I think dietdoctor.com (?) is popular on here for that kind of thing.

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Cooper27 in reply toNico101

I'm not watching macros too closely, but had a split of about 65:25:10 (fat:protein:carbs) yesterday, but I can add a little more oil today.

Will check out dietdoctor too, thanks!

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Nico101 in reply toCooper27

That's not a bad ratio at all. Just needs a little tweaking. I went very high on protein to start me off, and now I'm tapering that down slowly and upping my fat. As others have said, don't stress about it too much. Ousting the carbs is the main thing - especially the really bad ones - sugar, pasta, bread, etc.

You soon get your head around the fruit and veg situation. You just keep tweaking until it's right.

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Cooper27 in reply toNico101

Yeah, I think when I've been thinking of fat, it's always been bound up in protein. I'll find other things.

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I know what you mean, and you do need to keep fairly focused at the beginning. It's just that most people find it easier to remember a ranking of food items that to try to memorize actual carb counts - have a look at the visual guides on dietdoctor.com. The point is that there are so few things that you eat routinely (if you're like most people!) that it's very straightforward to rank-order them in your head.

If you really want the numbers just google 'carbs in eggplant' (or whatever) and you'll get all the nutritional information right at the top of the list.

Don't stress too much about getting it "wrong". About the only thing that will mess things up is eating a big dose of white carbs. You'll find it's much, much simpler to get to grips with than other eating plans because your appetite just naturally takes over and guides you in the right direction (if you let it).

Oh ... and if you're hungry, an egg makes a perfect snack (assuming you're OK with eggs).

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Weakwillednomore in reply toTheAwfulToad

Yes, I keep hard boiled eggs in the fridge as a go to...

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cheritorrox in reply toCooper27

Here's a useful site for nutrition info

tools.myfooddata.com/

Lots of ways to play around with the data and you can save stuff to personal "dashboard" (who thought up that silly name?)

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JiminyCricket

I used my fitness pal to track carbs. It was so new to me i needed to learn what carb count my favourite foods have. Also i hate following recipes so just making the diet doctor meals was never going to suit me.

On my fitness pal you have to subtract the fibre total from the carb total, to get net carbs which is the important number.

I know you dont need to stress about counting macros on LCHF , but i woukd have found sticking below 20g for induction impossible without tracking. Now thats done i havent counted anything for about 2 weeks.

Good luck

I didn't measure anything. When I started I quickly got so-called "keto flu" and bad breath, both temporary for a week or so. Those two things told me it was working.

I ate and still eat peanuts for snacks when I feel I want to, which is not very often. I eat dairy, so also full-fat Greek yoghurt occasionally.

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Cooper27 in reply to

Yep, I'm waiting for keto flu to strike. Expect it soon! I'm hoping the bad breath won't be too bad... I need to work with people. They won't appreciate it.

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Peanut31 in reply toCooper27

Hi

Just want to add that since starting LCHF, I’m flossing (teeth) more regularly than before as with eating loads more meats I find it gets stuck in my teeth.

Best wishes

Peanut31

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Cooper27 in reply toPeanut31

Good point! I'll get the floss and the mouth wash out :)

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kleineKerze in reply toPeanut31

Same here, far more meat eating and flossing than I'm used to. I've eaten more steaks, both lamb and beef, since starting in April, than I've eaten in the previous two years. Yum!

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TheAwfulToadAmbassador in reply toPeanut31

Yes, I have to floss more. Given the comments from you other guys, I suspect this is the usual cause of LCHF-related bad breath, not "keto breath". It's a bit weird because I'm pretty sure I don't eat a lot more meat than I used to. Maybe I'm just getting old.

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Peanut31 in reply toTheAwfulToad

Hi

False teeth may be an option, just take them out at night and leave them soaking in steradant, that’s what my dad does.

You can have some straight pearly white teeth.

😂😁.

Best wishes

Peanut31

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TheAwfulToadAmbassador in reply toPeanut31

Not quite ready for that yet - I'm clinging on to what remains of my youth as best I can :)

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Peanut31 in reply toTheAwfulToad

It’s true what they say as soon as you hit 40 it’s down hill, well it is for me.

When I use to hear that, I would think yeh right, oh my word they are right, I’m now 41 and my body is giving up, I’ve got more lines on my face than a road map, and cellulite appearing from no where, but I will not give in on having Botox.

Half my friends drink and smoke and look better than me, I don’t drink, smoke and obviously on LCHF.

My husband and mine conversations are now comparing each other aches and pains.

Best wishes

Peanut31

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TheAwfulToadAmbassador in reply toPeanut31

Yeah, it's true. I'm still in much, much better shape than people I know who drink, smoke and eat rubbish, but things definitely go downhill fast after 40. I'll be 48 at the weekend. The only bits that really bother me are the bad eyesight, and the aches and pains. I've always done hard workouts and I get very frustrated at my age-related limitations.

Just my gut feeling, but I think staying active is a crucial part of hanging onto the last vestige of youthfulness.

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PandQs in reply toTheAwfulToad

Happy Birthday this weekend 🎂 <—- zero carb cake emoji 😀

in reply toCooper27

I carried a breath freshener spray in my pocket at all times, totally essential to keep friends 🤥.

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Cooper27 in reply to

I have a new (plastic free) all natural mouthwash, and I think it's done the job! No funny taste in my mouth today. Although I think the mouthwash has burned off my tastebuds, so maybe there is a funny taste and I just don't know about it! :D

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Maria821

Im not a fan of calorie counting or analysing carbs. I just cant do it.... So i just cut out obvious carbs. Eat three meals a day and no snacks. No sugar. It has worked and im one week in to this next phase so hoping for the same. Maybe when i reach a plateau., which i did last time at 6/7kg loss, ill be able to focus more on this. Does anyone else do this approach?

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Cooper27 in reply toMaria821

I don't think I'll stick to Keto forever, so this is probably what's I'll transition to. I'm not a great one for food tracking either, but I'm willing to do it for a short period. I'm coming in at 25g of carbs a day.

I think it's been interesting as there are foods out there that I would think were higher carb than others, but that I found out I'm wrong about e.g. I found out a snack pack of sushi has slightly fewer carbs than an apple. I know they're both high on carbs, but it surprised me.

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Maria821 in reply toCooper27

Wow really? Even with the rice? I love sushi!!

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Cooper27 in reply toMaria821

Just the little snack pack with 4 or 5 bits in it. It's around 20g of net carbs. But when I'm on more liberal carbs, I won't feel as guilty eating it when I'm in need :)

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Cooper27

Gotta say, my colleagues (who don't actually know I'm doing keto) keep bringing chips back to the office for lunch. They don't normally eat chips, but this week they've all had a craving.... How mean is that?

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Cooper27

There's a conspiracy. Is someone here feeding information to my colleagues? This morning there's a tray of chocolate biscuits on the desk next to me. They smell very good.

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Weakwillednomore

Haha, yes I have family (slim) staying at the mo. Keep seeing sausage rolls crisps etc. Not succumbed yet. I’m only focusing on omitting bread, potatoes etc. Seems ok so far.

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