Soup... (with low fodmap ingredients of course)

[Aghu]

Is there anyone here who has to restrict or even cut off their ingestion of soup?

I cut off drinking even herbal teas and all quite some months ago. At that time it was clear to me that they cause premature bm s by somehow irritating the small intestine or something.

Now i wanted to give soup a try(doesn’t contain anything which otherwise i can’t eat) but it makes me miserable every time. Frequent loose bm s next day... Again, it just doesn’t fit in any logic. Still flat inner surface of small intestine? So passing through without spending enough time there to be digested?

As an additional note; i even drink a half cup of coffee in the mornings. But as i’m so cautious there because of the coffee itself that’s not much liquid. Whereas i was so confident with the soup (this last time especially) and -still not excessive- it must have been more than a glassful liquid in total.

As a second note, i regularly drink lactose free milk, sometimes 2 of these 330 ml boxes, with no bad result.

As an impression i think it has something to do with the liquid’s being hot and than its amount, but i have never heard this being mentioned anywhere.

Opinions?

Thanks so much

Last note; in the majority of the cases when I’ll have gut issues next day, I have sleep problem at previous night one way or another. Usually making me wake up before i’ve had enough sleep and not being able to fall back asleep from there. It happened in this occasion too. Just because of some soup that’s so plain that a normal person would certainly turn his nose up to. Ooh so unfair.

[Penel]

Hi Aghu

Can’t see any reason why drinking hot/warm liquid as a soup would be a problem. Perhaps you could try drinking a mug of plain hot water to see if that affects you? I have to avoid herbal teas if they contain apple or liquorice.

The problems you describe: sleep problems followed by gut issues, suggest that the foods you have eaten are the problem. I get the same if I’ve eaten the wrong things: indigestion stops me sleeping properly.

Although the soup you are making contains low Fodmaps foods, it may be the combination that is not a good one for you. I have found that I have to avoid certain vegetables, or only eat very small amounts, although they are described as low Fodmaps.

If you are not doing so already, I would recommend keeping a food diary to attempt to pin point problem foods or food combinations. It might be worth getting The Monash app. to help you.

dietvsdisease.org/fodmap-st...

[Aghu in reply to Penel]

As I feared, it seems that there shouldn’t be such a trigger. And yeah the situation warrants further experiments , which i’ll probably do later and further miseries will likely to follow. Hot milk, hot water, hot peppermint tea, this harmless tea or that, or another soup. Thanks for the suggestion, of course i do keep a diary. (All ingredients were safe for me in the amounts used in the soup, also safe together -Celerac, a leaf of kale, 1/8 tomato, 1 thin slice of onion( i eat more than that as fried) , carrot, parsley, tiny butter (i eat more than that on a rice bread), zucchini-

There is always some possible explanation or other for whatever i experience but the soup case (apparently same consequences every time) remains to be a mystery for me.

Thank you

[Penel in reply to Aghu]

I would stick to trying hot water first and some ginger tea (or slices of ginger root in hot water) at another time. I find peppermint tea too harsh and hot milk would make me ill.

Perhaps try a soup that is based on parsnip, potatoes and/or carrot? These are classified as ok in any quantity. I’m amazed that you can eat any onion at all! I’ve found that I can base my soups on carrot, red pepper and a stick of celery, cooked in olive oil and butter.

Perhaps get yourself a Low Fodmaps cook book to give you some more ideas? I’ve got one by Dr Sue Shepherd and Dr Peter Gibson, which has some useful recipes.

[Rosepetal60]

I personally would avoid coffee decaf or otherwise as this is known to cause BM. As well as Hot water in my experience and Hot milk also. I cut out Eating white onions some years ago due to digestive issues & only eat the gentler red onions or spring onions. I would suggest starting with a very basic soup of a knorr chicken stock cube. And work up from there. Next time add finely chopped red onions ( but fry them first) Or add leeks, no frying required but make sure they are well soft & preferably blend first before you consume. I always blend my soups before eating.

[Aghu in reply to Rosepetal60]

Surprised to hear the same from someoneelse too. If the stomach is full, and one little bowl of soup after another has been ingested after that, it may be possible that it causes all these food to progress in the gi tract way too quick? And If there are some other irritants as ingredients in the soup or in the previuos meal it certainly exacerbates. Advice acknowledged.

[Penel in reply to Aghu]

The Low Fodmaps diet recommends avoiding all onions, leek and garlic while you are sorting out gut problems.

[Suit]

Dear, I feel sorry for you.

After reading your list of ingredients in your soup I'm thinking that perhaps it's lycopene that is bothering you.

Some people cannot eat vegetables that are reddish, like tomatoes, due to lycopene. Some cannot eat carrots either. Cooked tomatoes are supposed to have a higher amount of lycopene than raw tomato.

But cabbage and onion are supposed to be producing gas for some.

If you can eat them separately, then perhaps the mixture is just too much for you. Try to avoid reddish vegetables and fruits and see what happens.

[Aghu in reply to Suit]

When i see the ‘carrot’ in this response i felt i had an epiphany. Recently I’ve been starting every day with d and usually i’m unwell into the day. Whereas i was doing just fine until not very long ago. Coincides with a period when i started to eat quite some raw carrots. As i notice now, in many days i may not even have bothered to note it down on my diary. It’s said ‘it may interfere with nutrient absorbtion, cause loose stools’ etc. combined with excessive (excessive for my damaged system) liquid intake, it may have gotten worse ( considering insoluble fiber) and it may have been the reason of my being consistently unwell.

My above answer should perhaps be under another topic though. I just wanted to share here quickly.

Thanks for your sympathy

[Suit in reply to Aghu]

Yes, try to eliminate carrots from your diet. And mind other reddish foods too incase you still have issues.

Carrots sound harmless, but I know one with colitis and many with hey fever that cannot eat carrots.

You might want to consider some fruits too, like banana and pears.

Some cannot eat them either for some reason.

Since you seem to be having major issues with food, perhaps you should eat completely safe for a couple of weeks and then add one more food to determine if its safe or not.

Boring, but perhaps worth it.

That's what I did(do) as gluten free, because I never know if dextrin or glucose syrup is derived from grains or corn or potatoes. To add just one new thing makes it easier to determine if its ok or not.

Sometimes its impossible, like when dining out or visiting friends.

[Penel]

Hope you’ve managed to sort out your digestive problems now! Although we are always being told to eat lots of vegetables, it does seem that it may not be a good idea for some of us.

[Aghu in reply to Penel]

I’m so thankful to all of you guys. For all these answers. The difference today was like day and night. I’m only wondering if it’ll go like these consistently(can’t be sure of anything anymore)

Btw it’s soluble fiber that’s supposed to draw water into colon. Carrot doesn’t belong to that category. Still, i had an observation as follows(again, something that we just can’t share with anyone in daily life, so, pardon me) : despite the fact that my liquid intake hasn’t increased the previous day until going to bad, the total liquid that’s been expelled through urination during the night was much more(my sleep wasn’t disturbed this night, another plus) And, for a change, this morning i didn’t start the day with d ( i didn’t need to go at all, yeah it’s priceless when we find our balance, isn’t it) so, this made me think that whatever mistake i was doing previously (i still assume, excessive raw carrots) it was attracting excessive water into colon so that a good percentage of the liquid was being consumed there.

I just wonder how the following days are gonna unfold. Perhaps i might try a soup again.

Thank you

[Aghu]

Nope, it wasn’t the carrot

[Aghu]

Unnecessary update 2: yeah carrots were probably a factor, together with other mistakes such as banana ( never works for me ), coffee, perhaps onion ( as i continue to discover, none of highfodmaps are good for me, every single one of them has an tips the balance towards bad), lactose free milk ( obviously problem withdairy may be not limited to lactose)...

[Penel in reply to Aghu]

If you want to follow a low Fodmap diet to see if it helps you, you need to cut out all high Fodmap foods at the same time. You then reintroduce them slowly to find out which ones you can tolerate and which ones you need to avoid.

There are several sites giving free information.

ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fo...

monashfodmap.com/ibs-centra...

verywellhealth.com/how-to-f...

[Aghu in reply to Penel]

Thanks for the answer. I’ve been following low fodmap for quite a while. And i know to almost to its last details. But the things that i react are so varied, and my intestines are likely to be so damaged and sensitive, there has been many factors, that were confusing and led me to draw wrong conclusions and led me to post some seeming ridiculous threads.

A correction i’ll make is, for instance, this hot liquids issue. It only exacerbates if there is another sneaky cause I’m not aware of. Last finding is, I’m totally reacting to lactose free milk. But. There have been long periods (recent)when I’ve always drunk it. Regularly. Not sure how it was working then. What i’m thinking now is that it may be casein or something. Bloating every time. Then I tried soy milk, a couple of days ago ( of course, soy protein, and there is literally only one brand that doesn’t have any ingredient I’m suspicious of - btw, there isn’t one single brand for almond milk that I can try, always some sunflower oil or something in it, it’s so frustrating, anyway) and i consume it in spades, hot, cold, in a simple desert etc, and I’m pretty sure it’ll be fine. With lactose free milk, bublings&bloating starts in quick succession of intake. So if a full glass of hot soymilk is ok, there is actually no reason why i shouldn’t try soup again under right conditions. So that’s only one of the corrections i needed to add.

But yeah lactose free milk&yoghurt (but some cheddar seem to be ok. If protein is an issue, cheese has lots of it, so lots of casein) some nuts, potato ( perhaps nightshades in general), sunflower, and before all of that banana !!!( yes, a little, firm, still green streaks on it) are still a mystery to me. Can’t eat a single flaming banana. Loose bm next day, every time. Only fruit; orange, mandarin, bluebery, all well known low fodmaps, which makes me think my sensitivity to high fodmaps may be waaay high above average.

Thank you

[bookish in reply to Aghu]

I probably have some different issues to you, but have found considerable improvement with no grains, dairy, nightshades (potatoes and tomatoes both bad for me), soy, nuts, seeds and caffeine. I make chicken soup with carrots (just in water), all well cooked but not so long that I get histamine issues, courgettes and broccoli are good with me, some white fish, eggs ok to the best of my knowledge. I would have problems with the onion and parsley can be hard to digest. The grains and dairy were a revelation, not just lactose for me either. Potatoes can cross react with corn and I react to both! Raw carrots much harder to digest than cooked although I do eat them - I chew really, really well. I had to cut out raw salad leaves etc before BMs settled. Best wishes

[Aghu]

Wow, scarily similar.

Then is sunflower oil a no for you?

Can pistachios be ok while walnut is a no( because i have pistachios in way smaller quantities, it may have been misleading for me)

Cut off coffee too( one day, perhaps when the stars align, may be ok a little bit, but after successive days of use ,or perhaps i exceed a critical limit, it catches up with me i concluded

Best wishes you too.

Thank you