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Living with Fatty Liver and NASH

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Hi, i would be interested in hearing of how much people lowered their KPA score through diet and exercise?

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fattyliver2022

this interests me as well. Thanks for asking this question!

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nash2Partner

Fibroscan 21.5 to 9.6

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Liver007123 in reply to nash2

wow wow Well done to you !!

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nash2Partner

I know a woman who did 44 to 8

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Liver007123 in reply to nash2

😱

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Catman1967

That is incredible! Would that be considered reversed?

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nash2Partner in reply to Catman1967

She still has scar tissue but she considers herself reversed and lives a normal life but maintains a carefully liver friendly diet. She recently back packed through Austria I think.

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Catman1967 in reply to nash2

I had no idea you could reverse it when it got that bad

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nash2Partner in reply to Catman1967

She is unusual and most people aren't able to do that well, but she does stand as proof that real progress is possible if a person really works at being kind to your liver.

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fattyliver2022 in reply to nash2

I have eaten sweets occasionally. Do I cut them out it altogether? That is so hard when I crave them. Also, do you ever have cheat meals? Especially around the holidays or when at a get-together?

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Shelterdog in reply to fattyliver2022

I too crave sweets. Did you know Walmart carries sugar free Reese cups and Hershey candy? The Hershey choc with almonds-sugar free-is good. Also you can eat an orange or an apple and they taste fantastic when you have been without sugar. I went without sugar for many months and once I met my goal I occasionally have a sugar free treat. Just a very small one.

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fattyliver2022 in reply to Shelterdog

no sugar is so hard when out with friends, family, the holidays etc. and as a woman I crave sweets and junk a certain time each month. I just don’t know how to not eat stuff here and there that isn’t junk. I crave it like crazy, even with eating fruit. Ugh.

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Catman1967 in reply to fattyliver2022

My big problem is salt not sure if sugar or salt is worse?

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fattyliver2022 in reply to Catman1967

I have issues with both! 😂😂

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nash2Partner in reply to Catman1967

Both are hazards and which is worse is an individual thing. My sense is that salt could cause problems that would kill me quicker but sugar is a slow toxic that in excess leads to the same place but we all have our own metabolism so it depends.

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nash2Partner in reply to fattyliver2022

The food scientists have learned how to make food addictive. The cravings will diminish for most people if they can stick with it but it is hard. This article might be of interest.

fattyliverfoundation.org/ta...

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Fattyliverregen in reply to Shelterdog

The sugar free stuff with artificial sweeteners is just as bad for you ...

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nash2Partner in reply to fattyliver2022

Try to use fruit to satisfy your craving. Refined sugar is the biggest enemy. It is addictive but does lessen over time for most people but it is hard to stick to it. The idea of a cheat meal is the wrong way to think about it. Knowing that you are considering something that will be harmful for you is it worth it. Sometimes it might be but it isn't something to think of as getting away with something. It is your liver and if you choose to give it a hit you can. I'll have birthday cake with the grandkids and Thanksgiving dinner but I never eat the 4 or 5 thousand calories I once did. Eating out from time to time I'll have salmon or a salad. No need to be anti-social but choose wisely and keep the amounts under control.

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fattyliver2022 in reply to nash2

thank you! This is what I needed to hear. I haven’t been given detailed structure on what I can and can’t do by doctors.

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Catman1967 in reply to fattyliver2022

Me either, I have had 2 different gastro drs and all they say is lose weight. I wonder why that is?

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fattyliver2022 in reply to Catman1967

from what I have gathered, the medical community is still learning about NAFLD and NASH. We are the Guinea pigs and essentially the ones that help the docs know how to help people in the future.

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Catman1967 in reply to fattyliver2022

Really that's kind of a surprise, this certainly can't be a new disease

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fattyliver2022 in reply to Catman1967

you would think. I have come across more medical staff that don’t put enough emphasis on NAFLD or medical staff that gives dismal news, only. That leads me to believe there isn’t enough info out there. Even the “gold standard” of a liver biopsy can be finicky because not all the liver may be in the stage that part of the liver was taken from. It’s frustrating to me.

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Catman1967 in reply to fattyliver2022

When I asked my old GP about it, I saw it on A CT from my kidney stones, it was noted,he was like oh it's fatty liver no big deal. I said wanna see the specialist snd fud was 330 cap and Kpa 7.2

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Shelterdog

my kpa score wentfrom 15 to 6.4 in 7 months with diet and exercise. My cap score went from 380 to 202

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Liver007123 in reply to Shelterdog

That’s fantastic !!

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unie in reply to Shelterdog

what do you eat?

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Shelterdog in reply to unie

for breakfast I eat a banana or oatmeal. For lunch I eat veggies sautéed in olive oil with purple onions and peeled garlic pods (I usually eat broccoli and green beans and cauliflower . Also some lean chicken or fish. I nibble on almonds or berries or eat a piece of fruit later if I get hungry. I don’t eat a big supper if I have eaten a good lunch; sometimes I only eat an apple or a grapefruit for supper. I do not eat any dairy or bread or any white stuff (rice, white or red potatoes , pasta etc) no sugar. I do eat a baked sweet potato every now and then.i bought the book “Reverse your fatty liver” how to naturally heal yourself by Jonathan Mizel and Susan Peters. Although they recommend a whole food, plant based diet, i do eat lean meat. I eat beans occasionally too, although I no longer eat or use bacon to season with. Hope this helps.

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unie in reply to Shelterdog

thank you. Much stricter than me, I need to make some changes.

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unie in reply to unie

I asked because Wayne had made a comment about eating salmon and a salad which I thought was good. But I came away with the opposite conclusion.

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Shelterdog in reply to unie

I was on the verge of cirrhosis ; I changed my life to save my life lol! Really though ! You can absolutely do this !!! Good luck!

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unie in reply to Shelterdog

lucky you. I have stage four cirrhosis

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Shelterdog in reply to unie

I will certainly pray for you. I don’t know anything about the stages of cirrhosis. Are you on a transplant list? Surely a complete diet change couldn’t hurt huh??

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unie in reply to Shelterdog

I am too old to be put on a transplant list. But I am trying the diet

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Shelterdog in reply to unie

good luck

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Catman1967

Fish is good right ? I read omega 3 really helps the liver recover?

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Shelterdog

I do eat fish.