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I havn't tried any of this mixture of herb so far.....
This is just information I came across ...so sharing.
If any one has experimented...May Plz share his experience here....
Here is complete list of various herbs and ... - Diabetes India
Here is complete list of various herbs and herbal remedies for Diabetes.
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@ mikepollard
Its like practicing doctor.....all his life he keep on practicing at the cost of patient 
by the way I was expecting your comment when it come to alternate therapy....
I know you will always attack on same....but have you ever tested any of those???
Why would I?
Let's say I had a malady that could be cured by homeopathy and I believed it. You take the dose and feel better. There's a clue here 'feel better'. Cool - you are cured, right? Good luck!
Then lets take the type 1 diabetic - see where I am going here? What about a type 1 diabetic cured by homeopathy and seeking homeopathic fertility treatment?
Claro?
mike...it is basically difference in mind set....(Upbringing)....
We are always told to respect all other line of thinking.... may it be faith...culture...therapy.....everything what we come across in life..
cure Your patience with snarky too-clever-by-half comments is indeed admirable!
chod na yar......its all about mind set.....
in reply to MikePollard
Cure good information search and posted Every thing cannot tested and posted by all person Interested person may test suitable tips and post hos experience is gopd Some of the persons only comment negatively but they cannot test any thing and also theymay be not able to share their Blood test and diet details. So you need not worry about negative comments
in reply to MikePollard
very very irresponsible remark .
in reply to
from Mike Pollard . How can he pass that remark with out verifying . Allopathy has not descended from heaven . It is based on trial and error methods only .Family planning pill is not the ultimate qualifying certificate for any system of medicine my dear Mike .
I'm going to send you a PM.
Very useful @cure
I take juice made of Karela Amla every morning
If I take it regularly my fasting is around 90 to 96
If I skip it for a week fasting rises to around 105 to 110
I Also mix aloe vera, moringa wheat grass, ginger and raw turmeric if they are handy
Indian kino.. Yes as I told u it's lying unused
Will start it some day
gymnema sylvestre does increase endogenous insulin secretion. How it does is another question. Beta cell proliferation or forcing the remaining cells to work harder?
cure
This is very beautiful presentation .
Cure , very beautiful in deed . It is of immense help to those who are in despaired state.
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Hidden
It happens....its all about upbringing.....
It might happen that few even ask evidence of paternity to mother....
Poor mother may not give evidence..
It is all one should understand by observation how similar he looks like his father and ancestors...
Everything is not evidence based....
Hi Cure,
If you see the composition of madhunashini vati , it is made up of all herbs which are useful for diabetes and its quite handy too ...no need to collect different powders....
You can find the composition in following link :
myyog.com/products/details/...
I hope people will not take it as endorsement for ayurvedic medicines 
I am not sure but I took madhunashini vati of Patanjali for about more than 6 months but did not find much benefit...may be there but I was not monitoring PPBS regularly like now I have started.
Somehow, I was taking Diabecon DS tablet containing Gymnema (meshashringi), Pitasara and Shilajeet..as it's main constituents and I had more trust in Himalaya Herbals brand and was taking it since one and a half year. Only 1 tab in morning. I really believed that was helping control by BS levels. Now, for experimenting, I stopped Diabecon DS tablet since 10 days or so..and my FBS and PPBS levels both shooted up like anything...
The link cure posted here clearly mentions that Gymnema is the most effective treatment in diabetes. I have to believe that with no doubts whatsoever after above experimentation of stopping the drug and measuring BS levels regularly. Once can go the above link and find how Gymnema works.
I have to restart Diabecon DS from tomorrow again!
All the allopathic medicines have actions like these herbs
These are the source of inspiration for all mode of action of all allopathic medicines available or under research
One of these days I will compile all the present here
But of course I am firm on the diet I follow and these are supportive
I take some of these regularly to improve insulin sensitivity which I have personally Experimented..
Shashi...
You are right. I often tell my my friends and patients that ayurveda is a crude medicine whereas allopathy is a purified extract.
For example : serpgandha and reserpine
Cinchona barks and quinine
There are many examples.
Ayurveda uses milk, ghee, honey etc as vehicles for drug delivery wheres allopathy uses tabs, capsules, syp etc
and by the way accept or not our life style is based entirely on ayu principles. Take any indian diet and you will find ayu in it. " our diet is our medicine ".
The negative aspect of ayu is the crude preparations. Concotions are bitter. Also many products not easy to prepare. And last but not the least the ingredients used to prepare ayu medicines are not easily available, not in pure form, very few go to search right plants and many meds need mercury gold or silver. These all issues make ayu drugs unpalatable and unacceptable to the general people.
in reply to suramo
Yes
Sometime back I was about to join a company which has some research anti diabetics
So I scanned the net a lot for all future anti diabetics.
With the current ones and the future new mode of actions on the anvil.
Now when I am struck with diabetes and keep reading a lot on herbs I find a striking resemblance to the mode of actions
So these researchers just study the plant actions and prepare the purified versions
Eg Statin originated from Red Yeast Rice which is a traditional Chinese medicine for health
Lovastatin was dervied from this. Subsequent ones are synthetic with some changes in the molecular structure
Shashi...
Yes. That's why these western people are after patenting our herbs and condiments. They see a great earning potential in turmeric, neem etc
suramo same thing is with metformin ...although now it is synthetic...but origin of metformin is goats rue...a herb.
Ayurveda got many herbs ...however problem is standardization...as alkaloid/chemical contents change as per the location and season.
Therefore to get standardize results those needs to be in form of derived standard alkaloid form.
It needs lots of money.
Since these herbs can not be patented....no one is investing.
Cure
there are many but i always doubt ayu prepared formulas like tablets capsules etc because i don't think these preparations can deliver the required dosages. I myself use many ayurvedic products like ashwagandha satavari and many more for my personal use but take them as raw products. Never in tab or cap form.
in reply to suramo
Even I use the herbs prepared in homeopathic pharmacies , that also reputed ones. We get almost all in homeopathy as mother tinctutres .
suramo yes you are right in doing things....
But just for example....ashwagandha...(withania somnifera) the one which we get in ayurvedic shops and the one grows in wild..is same...
But what we get in shop is just one diffrent variety...which is called withania somnifera nagori...
As you must be knowing Nagor is place in Madhya Pradesh.This ashwagandha is cultivated there and a domestic variety of withania somnifera.
The difference between both is content of alkaloids .....the wild variety is bit poisonous if taken excess.
As place changes...and season changes...the content also change....
Therefore Ayurveda suggest herbs to be collected after Diwali festival.
And herb should be used within one year.
Cure
yes. Credibility of ayu products is always doubtful to me. For example shilajit. I'm never convinced that so much of it can be available.
Honey in its purest form and without pesticides or antibiotics.
Take this madhunashinivati. One tab and so many ingredients ! I wonder someone should sum up all the content weight and weigh the tab. Should be equal. When i ask direct questions to ayu pharma people none can give me an assuring answer. They just fumble. These people have spoiled the image of ayu just to make the products comfortable to take.
you are right suramo hmmm shilajeet....I really don't know what it is.....when I use to go to school....many road said Vidyas use to shout...."babujee ye hai sheelajeet...patthar ka paseena...." lol...
There is no scientific research on what it is really.....some says its organic....some says otherwise...
I tried in my way to find out what it is...still not sure what it is.....and how it is procured. LOL
cureAdministrator
No pharma company wants us to get cured...
And I strongly feel they plant some moles...who will always strongly oppose..for ppl going and opting for alternate therapy.
in reply to cure
This may not b the reason
Only issue is patentable or not
Because it costs millions and billions of dollars for trials
These needs to be recovered and also to earn
So we may have to go by what info is available and try it
Issue is we may not know the harmful effects some of these herbs may have in long term
But yes. Many of them are our food and we can have them every day.
At least in my care in find bitter melon + indian goosberry juice working nicely
@shahikantiyengar
Yes for me methi dana and kalounjee are working..... now I will try Vijaysar.
Also wants to try coq10....
can u plz tell me which brand is good for coq10 and cost effective??
in reply to cure
I just started using the vijaysar tumbler I had with me.
Kept water in it overnight and had after 7 hrs
COQ10 itself is a brand name here with Universal generics now under Sanofi
Would not suggest any other brand
This may cost a bit but better to take a good brand
Thank u very much.....I will go for that....
in reply to
I was told that VIjayasar tumbler can be used only for 45 days and then the utility gets reduced . Is it so ? How about taking the bark on powder form or soaking a piece of bark in water overnight and drink it in the morning .I don't personally go for any herbal intake , whatever may be the ailment . I take only homeopathic medicines .But we can gather information from various sources ,especially when it is experimented rather experienced .
Saswathy
i have an impression that while you take homeo meds there are strict dietary restrictions esp ginger and garlic. Is it true?
in reply to suramo
TO A CERTAIN EXTENT GARLIC is prohibited ,not ginger . But too much is not good . What we use in cooking to give the tangy and spicy flavour and taste in small quantities is ok. Surprisingly all these things like ginger , garlic , onion , dalchini are not allowed in spiritual sadhana also.
Saswathy
what is spiritual sadhana ?
Well i think one should eat garlic in liberal quantity to counter ill effects of D. I rely too much on garlic. More than even D meds.
Some homeopaths suggest to restrict or avoid coffee also.
shrisamarth yes....
infact it is said homeopathy medicines to be taken with clean tongue..
It implies that one should not eat or drink anything before and after taking medicines.
The medicines are more effective if strict restrictions are followed.
in reply to shrisamarth
There are certain restrictions like coffee should not be taken when Porinum is given, onions with thuja like
in reply to
Sorry typing mistake . It is 'Psorinum''
in reply to cure
The minute the medicine touches the tongue it starts acting since it gets dissolved. So after taking the medicine one can take anything after 5 minutes .
in reply to shrisamarth
I don't go by that theory .
Hmmm..it is said that while using homeopathy anything which is with strong smell is prohibited..
including coffee.... tobacco..garlic...onion.
Many religions forbids use of garlic and onion.
For jains it is not allowed.
Prophet Mohammad never liked garlic smell......there are many hadiths mentioning this in Islamic scriptures...
Basically it is said garlic and onions increases sexual desire. which is hindrance to spiritual development.So for spiritual development garlic and onion is prohibited .
LOL...but look at Hindu spirituality.....there are many apsaras and kinnars depicted on our temple walls....Let it be khajuraho..konark..or for that matter Tiruapti Balijee.We never thought carnal desire is hindrance for spiritual growth.
Further one very funny information..... As per the European myth....Dracula is very scared of garlic.....if u put garlic at entrance of door....Dracula can not enter in house...
here is info about vampire and garlic...
vampires.com/why-do-vampire...
"Dracula is very scared of garlic.....if u put garlic at entrance of door....Dracula can not enter in house..."
shrisamarth
Don't know ...not tried....
Do not ask evidence plz.........LOL
Never had chance to encounter with Dracula....May be because Indian Government never sanctioned Indian Visa to Dracula....
And I never traveled to eastern Europe.
Hidden
Guess all spices are forbidden for spiritual growth....
As spices are considered 'Tamasic Guna'.
However...There are useful spices...and one must consume them to guard and make health stronger.
Without strong health spiritual development is impossible.
Therefore our scriptures says....
शरीरमाद्यं खलु धर्मसाधनम्
Means body is really medium for spiritual growth.
Kathopnishad says.....
नायमात्मा बलहीनेन लभ्य:
Realization of Bramhan...is not possible with weak body.
right ...our body is our best friend during our whole life...our first duty is to keep body fit and healthy and happy...a beautiful gift of God ...then soul...Swami Vivekananda was a health freak and spiritual too
He says
"
He who wants to become a Bhakta must be strong, must be healthy
"
In one of his books I remember he said that body is like a temple ...worship and care your body like a temple..
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@cure...And one of these herbs is Amla ...you will be surprised to know the benefits of amla , it contains very powerful antioxidants . Now a days it is said to be a wonder berry...do you remember I told you about "Amla kalp" mentioned in our ayurveda for long life?
nutritionfacts.org/2012/01/...
Article says "Leading the pack by a whopping margin (200 times the antioxidant content of blueberries!) were Indian gooseberries, also known as amla or amalika."
And we are so stupid that leaving this wonderful berry we are after blueberries and goziberries and buying blueberries, cranberries and other berries in $$s.
@karch...Yes you are right...amala is base for famous ayurvedic preparation Chyavanprash.
Amala is also one of the ingredient in Triphala churna.
One more thing...amla is rich with vitamin C.....and best part is even if you dry or cook or do anything said vitamin c remains intact.
I don't know if a diabetic can use Chyvanparash.....Scientifically papered chyavan prash is very rich with antioxidant... but it is with honey.... 
In Chyvanprash amla is present more than 90%...Fresh amla is available easily...steam it 10 min ...till it gets a little tender, so that it will taste less bitter and make chutany with tomato and garlic , chilli, jeera and just to reduce further bitterness you can add lemon juice...its yummy with any meal ...else dry amla powder is avilable easily...you dont need to take chyvanprash for getting amla in diet
Else you can make your own Chyvanprash as DYI project :
nishamadhulika.com/en/475-h...
My father used to make chyvanprash by himself for family
karch
in market we get two types of amala.
one is banarasi....which is bigger in size...and looks very attractive.Other one is called desi or dongari amala.
It is said desi or dongri amala is more medicinal.
:)...general rule is.. whatever looks flashy and fuller contains less nutrition and desi version of same is better nutrition wise ...I used desi amla since childhood ...never knew that some other version of amla also exists ..good to know this
..In UP ...there is a place called praptgarh...people are having lots of amla farms there ....if you go by road ...in pratapgrah...you will see amla farms eveywhere...by the side of road there are stalls of different types of amla products everywhere...everywhere you amla and just amla ...looks like amla tree is easy to grow and maintain
Cure
..and with lots of sugar too. Real chyavanprash contains many useful ingredients but now a days i don't think anybody is making chyavanprash as prescribed by chyavan rishi.
Cure tell me if gooseberry juice can be prepared at home, kept in a bottel in a freez for daily use? Obviously daily fresh is good but is another option good?
suramo
I guess yes...But u need to add some preservative..
There are few available in market.Don't know what they use..
But most interesting part about amala is...even if you sun dry it..it will retain all beneficial properties.
So best way is to make something like 'Mamajee Ka Pachak Awala'
Have you seen that product at many pan shops?
Other option is make what we call is 'Morawala'
Its something like making candy out of amala.
But morawala is with sugar.so forbidden.
About Chyavan prash'......there are few who make chyvanprash as per recipe given in scriptures...
But one more problem....that few herbs required are no more available...guess got extincted long ago.further to make water more muddy....as in olden time there was no proper identification..therefore confusion in identifying herb.
Just to give you example...Vanshlochan....which means sort of gum secreted by bamboo.Said thing is not available now days.
You seem to have good knowledge of ayurveda. Nice.
Actually these money minded myopic people have marred the image of ayurveda.
suramoStar
Ragivrao
there are 100 to 1000 substances you can take. Not possible you can take all. We have to trust a few and take them. Moreover all the chances that you will not get genuine items.
Ballia
cureAdministrator
hmmm...but even read somewhere during most auspicious Ashwamedh Yagya they use to sacrifice Horse.
Is it true?
cure Hidden
Brihaspati, the founder of materialistic (hedonistic?) Charvaka school, while taking a dig at animal sacrifices in yajnas quipped that if the sacrificed animals go the heaven, then the yajamana(performer of the yajna) should sacrifice his parents and relatives also, so that they too attain heaven.
BTW, the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad begins with an esoteric interpretation of Ashwamedha, where the sacrificial horse is identified with the cosmic Purusha. Sun is the eye, dawn(usha) its head, fire(agni) its mouth, earth(prithvi) its hoofs etc.
Our philosophical literature is replete with this theme of identification of the presiding diety of yajna with the sacrifice, subject with the object, macrocosm with microcosm etc.
Sorry for digression.
@jingle
Someday if you get copy of book Bharatiya Vivah sansthecha Itihas By rajwade.
Some shocking information about ashwamedh is given in that book.
Further just you know about Putrakameshti yadnya?? Done by Dasharath????
By shocking information, do you mean the obscene/vulgar part dealing with the queen and the dead horse? I am well aware of that.
But there are esoteric interpretations of that ritual too.
Ambedkar used the Putrakameshti yajna performed by Dasharatha for his attacks on Hinduism in his "Riddles of Hinduism". :-|
hmmmm yep.....but that is what it is given in scriptures.....also all other details also point out to simple interpretation....Yagya was done by sage rishyashringa.....just search net about sage rishyashringa....
Look at the name....rishya shrunga.....horn of sage....
This yajna is often used by the detractors of Hinduism to insinuate that shrunga was the biological father of Rama.
But then our ancestors were quite liberal in these matters. Don't we regard the Pandavas born from Niyoga as heroes?
@jingle
Wo jane de.....co q10 ke bare mein kutch socho....
Coq10 and mitochondria ......bahut info hai yar....
Hmmm but considering moral values of those times.....they were doing right....
comparing two different moral value sets is not correct.
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very true Hidden
Very correct explanation....you will find this was more during period of 'Vijaynagar Empire'
And sex was never considered a taboo in Indian society till Islamic invasion.
India is land of 'Kamasutra'
By the way...kamasutra includes one chapter on 'Vajikaran chikitsa'.vaji means=horse/stud..so vajikaran means treatment to transform man in to stud.
Guess some one must look in to those chapter for ED.
I read Parva in English when I lived in Bengaluru.
Try his Sartha. It has a vivid description of Indian landscape during Adi Shankara's time.
For politically incorrect stuff, do read his Avarana.
Hmmmm is it avarana...where that story of prince and attack on his kingdom by muslims....also destruction of Kashi temple is given??? Same book??
O yes it is same book.....I just searched on google....yes I have that book ofcoz marathi translation....
yup. the same book. It was a bestseller in Kannada, and created lot of controversies back then.
if u like some fiction..and if u read marathi....plz read shodh by khairnar....
The story is based on treasure looted by Chatrapati from surat....in 2nd raid..some part of treasure got lost.....and its story about search for the same....
Compare and contrast Parva with Yuganta. Karve can see only mean motives behind every action in MB. Bhyrappa's treatment is far more mature, IMHO.
good night
Aurangzeb demolished the Kashi Vishwanath temple and erected the Gyanvapi mosque at the same place.
Maratha noble Malhar Rao Holkar wanted to avenge this by re-building the Vishwanath temple after demolishing the mosque, but the locals pleaded to him to do this only after consolidating the Maratha power in the region.
The present structure adjacent to the Gyanvapi mosque was commissioned by his successor and daughter in law Ahilya Bai Holkar.
cure has a lot of information on this.
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Hidden @jingle
Gyanvapi..Gyan=knowledge and vapi= well
present day Gyanvapi well is situated between Mosque built by Aurangzeb and temple built by Rani Ahilyabai....
It is said during demolition the chief priest of temple( who was grand father of GAGA BHATTA- who held coronation of chatrapati Shivajee) Jumped in the well with original shiv lingam.
If you visit the back side of mosque still you will see the remains of old temple.
Further there is one temple called Shringar Gauri...which is still there in premises of Mosque...and darshan is permitted once in year in that temple.
You may search on net about shringar gauri temple at kashi.
Hidden @jingle
Almost all temples in north India were demolished at some point of time by muslims....
And Rani Ahilya....rebuilt many temples....Sorti Somnath is one of them.
Evevn Ujjain Mahakaleshwar was demolished by Iltumish(Father of Razia Sultana)
The said was rebuilt by Bayja bai Shinde....queen of Gwalior.
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@anup
LOL...'osho is not just sambhi se samadhi tak'....lol
By the way guess you can show one new path....'ketogenic diet se samadhi tak'
Jai baba Anup ki....
LOL
in reply to cure
When ketogenic diet is said to cure epilepsy , logically speaking it would not lead to samadhi.
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Hidden
It was pandit Madan Mohan malviya-founder of Banaras Hindu vishvavidyala..built a new temple at the premises of University...That is one more temple in kashi/varansi.
However if you closely observe in present day temple built by rani ahilyadevi....you will find the shivlingam is installed not at the center but off center...
I asked pandya there the reason....no one could explain...(rather they noticed that first time .....lol)
Rani ahilyadevi tried her best to search out original in the well....in vain...
So she installed the present one....off the center...just to keep place for original if found in future.
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Hidden
LOl...why you???? many of pandya there who visit daily for many hours never observed the same.....
Further why it is called Gyan vapi???
Well of knowledge??
what knowledge it imparts???
cureAdministrator
lol..... think what knowledge it imparts....
No one would be able to tell u there.....
between just delete the replies which are not related to the topic....since this thread may go deleted for that reason
cureAdministrator
delet your all reply which are not related to topic
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he was king...he fought valiantly to mughals...
He may not be shrewd like chatrpati....but sure he fought 9 yrs.... does that shows he was reckless??
Babas preach what they do not practice.
Excellent website. I appreciate because I love Ayurveda /herbs .
I tried karanjwa (bonduc nut). It's unbearable and nauseating. Gymnema is little better and does help in regulating BS.
tasingh74
LOL...i guess my grand mother use to take this....but don't know if it is effective or not...(as not much testing methods were available then)
Never tried this....this is called as 'Sagar Gote' in marathi....
its is bush and very thorny....even wild animals are scared to go near this bush...
Here in olden times small girls use to play with this....use to call Gajake.
My grand mother use to get those nuts... and make a powder of off white seed after removing cover.
Then use to fill that powder in empty capsules... This way you can consume the same....
However in Ayurveda this is not recommended for Diabetes....Don't know why my grand mother tried the same...
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