On the Holistic origin of Parkinson's

[ManuCalma]

The symptom is "the straw that broke the camel's back" not the beginning of the disease as such...

Imagine two people reacting to the same traumatic event. One experiences it from an intense fear due to its configuration and the other experiences it in a less intense way. The body of each of them generates totally different chemicals to defend against a supposed threat.

Apparently the event is the same for both of them and their external reaction is almost identical, but internally one of them is experiencing a stress process in a critical way that their body is storing (the illness began when the first response was triggered from a deep-rooted fear in the transgenerational).

It turns out that this sensitive person has a "restless leg" tic but she doesn't care. She does not know that this symptom would be informing her of a dysfunction in the intensity of her fears, a characteristic that has been granted to her through automatic assignment of some reparation for tragedies experienced helplessly by her ancestors.

Later, what medicine classifies as "the beginning of the disease" will be unleashed, a process of degradation that appears to be irreversible but its "slowness" provides the ideal time to undo each of the traumatic processes experienced in the ignorance of the unknown why I am experiencing the events with a more intense fear than that of others.

Parkinson's is an inherited dysfunction that repairs the impotence already experienced by ancestors of our family tree. It is not a neurodegenerative disease, it is a window to regeneration and recognition of those events that were stored in that collective family unconscious as a pure need to dissolve that suffering. It is therefore an "opportunity" and not a naive label of "incurable disease."

Science continues to try to solve mysteries about the biochemistry of PD and ignores its holistic origin because it does not know the mechanics of this operating hypothesis. If the original cause is emotional and transgenerational, like many of the diseases that occur in this era, we should grant a mention, even if it is pseudoscientific, with all humility and focus the studies on that possibility.

Why not create a Holistic trial of family constellators following Bert Hellinger's techniques, working simultaneously from different countries to observe the evolution of symptoms in volunteers with PD?

The process would detect the origin event that gave rise to the disorder in each patient and could be a key factor in reducing the intensity of fear and with it the unconscious recognition that the dopamine production system can now be restored because the possibility of living another traumatic event like the one that took place has already disappeared.

[MBAnderson]

With 8 billion people on earth, so around 70 million die each year, I wonder if the misfortune of our ancestors that precipitates our PD ever gets mixed up when transferring down along a family tree? That is, does the fear and grief ever end up in a person not of that family?

[ManuCalma in reply to MBAnderson]

Each family has its progression of repairs between different generations. It is a transfer process that works automatically. When someone who is born coincides in a certain range of dates with events of their ancestors or the role of a family member is invoked through the assignment of the same name (a fact that acts at an unconscious level as a contract establishing a link) then this newborn It comes to repair certain lived aspects whose grief or experiences were interrupted, unfinished, or blocked by belief systems that imposed a series of feelings and emotions of suffering on the vital process. An example is "Recumbent Syndrome", a term used in the transgenerational field that was made known by Doctor Salomón Sellam.

When a grief has occurred in a family system that could not be well processed (because it was too painful, unexpected, unfair and unjustifiable), the information related to said event is retained in a pattern, which one or more subsequent members of the system will see. led to act.

Of course, not all grief that occurs in a family gives rise to this syndrome, but those that were not sufficiently integrated do. In that case, a member born later (in that same generation or in a later generation) may not be free and may be linked to what happened. This is an unconscious attempt by the system to have people and information blocked in the past integrated back into the family, and one cannot so easily withdraw from it, especially as long as one is not conscious.

[MBAnderson in reply to ManuCalma]

"...a transfer process that works automatically." It just sounds like it would have to be a pretty elaborate system to keep 70,000,000 people properly connected??

I mean, it would be a shame for an undeserved person whose previous generation was free of stress, grief, or illness to get some awful disease - no?

Can you be more specific?

[ManuCalma in reply to MBAnderson]

You can find more information by reading Dr. Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger:"The Ancestor Syndrome: Transgenerational Psychotherapy and the Hidden Links in the Family Tree"

[gomelgo in reply to ManuCalma]

I believe what you are speaking of is called epigenetics. And I am uncertain what MBAnderson is getting at with thee question about deserving or undeserving. Not all illness is a curse, and if you loook at the 70,000,000, how many will remain healthy all of their lives? Also how many of us have zero trauma in our lineage? And finally, I am not so sure I like the idea of seeing illness as something one deserves or doesn't. There is something in that that harkens back to a punishing god. Which is totally outside of my personal belief system. ManuCalma, where in Spain are you located?

[ManuCalma in reply to gomelgo]

I live in a small village called Villaverde de Guadalimar in the middle of a national park. I use Google Translator on each Post.

[MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo]

by "deserved" I meant by their lineage, not earned or worthiness.

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

Deserved by lineage? Can you say more?

[kevowpd]

I actually find these word-salad trivializations of this relentless disease - which has now impacted three generations of my family in a row (that we know about - it's likely more) rather offensive.

[ManuCalma in reply to kevowpd]

When there is no apparent solution to a problem, it becomes necessary to prepare, not a salad but a real feast of options and possibilities. I am sincerely sorry that this development of possibilities is offensive to you but, for some reason unknown to me, my path with this disease is leading me down these paths. I believe that this forum provides a very positive opening towards new ways of thinking and this honors a research process when it comes to offering creativity for the exploration of new avenues.

[CuriousMe12]

Not something id spend a lot of my time on but I think it's an interesting idea, if that's your experience .But my simplistic reading of the above is that PD can be caused by trauma/stress carried down generations.

Many already believe that stress caused their PD by the events of their singular generational lived life. This could have been school, work or relationship related. Surely If stress/trauma is the cause we need to address stress/trauma as an individual, in the lived life, without over complicating into historical family trees (unless the trauma stemmed from a family relationship).

[gomelgo in reply to CuriousMe12]

WHen you call it overcomplicating, I wonder if you have considered that trauma is not what happens to you, but how you respond to it. And if that is the case, which it most certainly has been discovered to be, then your cultural background is going to have a LOT of influence over the way you perceive and respond. Just think, why do neurologists ask people who they diagnose with PD whether they are Jewish? It's not just genetics, it's EPIgenetics. Ways of perceiving have a lot to dow with stress. And we are all taught those ways by our parents, who were taught by theirs, and so on.

[ManuCalma in reply to gomelgo]

This IS the point!

[CuriousMe12 in reply to gomelgo]

Yes and generational inheritance factors arent just restricted to specific culture such as Jew, Palestinian, Colour... It can apply to others too who may have generational domestic abuse, for instance .But equally many cases will be nothing to do with inheritance but just victims of circumstance.

I believe we learn not only from family but friends, colleagues, experience, general environment. And then feed in that even within a family siblings are very often very different personalities reacting in different ways.

It gets complicated.

The best we can generally do is either remove the existing stress producing factors (eg bad bosses) or learn stress coping/management mechanisms.

[gomelgo in reply to CuriousMe12]

I agree. Except I do think that we can do better than stress coping mechanisms. We could use various natural ways to change our actual minds.

[ManuCalma in reply to CuriousMe12]

If you read Bert Hellinger you will understand how to disolve transgenerational Syndrome.

[Esperanto]

The term "holistic" is misused here by putting forward only one aspect as THE cause of PD. If transgenerational processing in a family plays any role at all in causing PD, there is at least a correlation with other possible factors such as genetic predisposition, environmental factors, air pollution, pesticides, oxidative stress, exercice, hormonal changes, sleep disorders, chronic stress, age, traumatic brain injury, mitochondrial dysfunction, neuroinflammation, nutrition, blood pressure abnormalities, gut flora, etc. Not to mention the many physical and mental causes that we have yet to find. A holistic approach assumes that everything is interconnected. If there is a disease where that seems to be the case, then PD.

[Manypony in reply to Esperanto]

I call it JENGA

[gomelgo in reply to Esperanto]

A very quick look at the profile of ManuCalma shows that English is not their first language. I don't believe they are proposing that epigenetics is THE cause. I believe the point being made is that epigenetics is a contributing factor that warrants further study. And personally, I would be excited to be part of the types of study that Manu Calma is proposing.

[ManuCalma in reply to gomelgo]

Exactly epigenetics is not THE cause. There are several factors. It would be great to find somebody who would invest on this kind of studies. I would participate on It. Regards!