New laser by SymbyX

[Sydney75]

This is the newest laser by Symbyx, 3 times the cost of the prior laser.

Has anyone tried it yet?

symbyxbiome.com/en-us/produ...

[park_bear]

Their website cites a research article abstract at this link: symbyxbiome.com/en-us/pages...

This research claimed treatment with the Symbyx product was successful. The full text reports UPDRS scores were measured at the start of the study, only. They say that their neurologist was unavailable to conduct this test subsequently, and furthermore go on to state that the UPDRS may lack the sensitivity needed to measure the improvements. They did cite some other measures.

I am not tempted to spend over $1000 to over $3000, depending on model, on a photobiomodulation laser, based on this report. Such can be had for hundreds instead of thousands.

I had thought the full text was behind a pay wall but that was not correct. Credit to Bolt_Upright for finding otherwise.

[Bolt_Upright in reply to park_bear]

Here is the complete paper: Improvements in clinical signs of Parkinson’s disease using photobiomodulation: a prospective proof-of-concept study 2021 bmcneurol.biomedcentral.com...

Conclusion

To the best of our knowledge the study described here represents the first clinical trial in people with PD using PBM treatment to a combination of anatomical targets. PBM was shown to be a safe, side-effect free, low cost and a potentially clinically effective treatment, with significant improvements in primary and secondary outcome measures. Improvements to participant outcome measures were maintained for up to one year with continued treatment, which is a persuasive indication of the effect of PBM treatment. The results suggest that PBM treatment may slow some of the expected decline in the clinical signs and symptoms of PD and may complement the current treatment options. The full potential of PBM as an intervention for the signs and symptoms of PD needs to be further scrutinized and validated in a larger, prospective, randomized placebo-controlled trial with sufficient power and a longer follow-up period.

[Sydney75 in reply to Bolt_Upright]

Thank you this is a wait and see for me.

[Jensneiser in reply to park_bear]

My wife is using the PD care and it takes 20 min/treatment, 3 days a week. We are thinking about switching to the duocare just to reduce the treatment time to just 6-7 minutes. I understand it is more a question of time needed for the same results and not about achieving even better results.

[PDWarrior1900]

very cool, thanks... i wonder if it works for other stuff like arthritis, etc.

[Anon1234567832 in reply to PDWarrior1900]

I guess it does, I read a meta analysis of 22 trials on light therapy for Knee Osteoarthritis (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl..., and the conclusion was "LLLT reduces pain and disability in KOA at 4–8 J with 785–860 nm wavelength and at 1–3 J with 904 nm wavelength per treatment spot."

904 nm is the same wave length for the Symbyx PDCare

[PDWarrior1900]

i just found my answer... YES!

Benefits

Reduces chronic pain and inflammation

Reduces Parkinson’s symptoms

Reduces Fibromyalgia symptoms

Speeds up muscle, tendon, ligament injury recovery

Reduces Arthritis pain

Promotes scar, skin and wound healing (including open wounds)

Reduces Lymphoedema

Manages peripheral neuropathic pain (including post chemo and diabetic)

[robinson621]

Why so much $

[Sydney75]

Original laser about $1495 this is double because more power and the treatment time is cut in half, that battery was an issue because of the type of screw used on the first laser, this one is rechargable.

[Eliza-Jane]

I have been using the earlier model since May. I bought it because reports stated no-one got worse whilst using it. Well I have got worse. I have also had improvements. My handwriting has improved, I am no longer constipated and I am sleeping like a log. I don't know if that is worth the $2000 I paid for it but it feels good to write on my grandkids birthday cards again and have my normal routine in the morning. Needless to say sleeping so well makes the day much easier. Because of injuries I have difficulty exercising, that is why my PD is getting worse I believe.

[Mimilemew in reply to Eliza-Jane]

Definitely, Symbyx states that their treatment is supposed to go hand in hand with exercise to maximize results. They recommend you do the therapy and then exercise.

[Mimilemew]

The new device is like 2 in 1, as it not only treats Parkinson's symptoms but also fibromyalgia. My hwp has been using the PD Care device since late January this year with great results. He's also using Symbyx's Neuro helmet, we feel deeply grateful for this promising technology.

[Jmellano]

te that approx 20% VAT may increase the price of the device.

[Ashti]

My husband is enrolled in a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled study that is using this Symbyx device and he just had his training last week. It takes 20 minutes three times a week: The helmet for 18 minutes, while using the wand at 9 locations on the abdomen for 2 minutes each, followed by the wand on back of the neck in a specific spot for 2 minutes. He is also expected to continue with the fair amount of exercise for the duration of the study.

He will also be offered the option to use a confirmed ‘real’ device at the end of the study for a number of weeks - so even the placebo group will get a chance to use the real device.

So, I’ll let you know how it goes!

[Turnipbarrow in reply to Ashti]

any reports yet? I’m thinking about buying the device for my hwp . Pretty pricy so trying to get as much feedback as I can. Thsnk you !

[Ashti]

He has not noticed any relief of classical symptoms (tremor, dizziness, stiffness, etc) but has noticed an increase in energy. Specifically he has gone from being easily overwhelmed at having more than one thing to do in a day to being able to take on several things, plus more capacity for exercise which makes it easy to sleep at night, and more energy to see people and do things, which decreases social isolation.