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Coffee & caffeine: can the benefits of coffee be replicated without coffee?

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Coffee is said to increase cortisol. Caffeine is said to increase anxiety. I need to reduce both but I drink coffee daily for its neuro protective benefits. Can I finally say goodbye to coffee and replicate these benefits via a different means?

I’m revisiting this subject because I’m really tired of having to drink coffee. I have experimented with just adding a spoonful of coffee grounds to a little yogurt and gulped it down to get it over with. Maybe that conveys even more benefits than drinking it? Or maybe my liver will cry out for help if I keep this up.

“ Most of its effects are attributed to caffeine by the antagonism of adenosine receptors in the central nervous system; however, other coffee constituents like chlorogenic acids have also shown much promise in therapeutic value. Existing research considers coffee to have great potential, but additional studies are still needed to clarify the mechanisms and actual causal relationships in certain neuropathologies. “

“National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES), which was conducted by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), that coffee, caffeinated coffee, and caffeine were associated with cognitive performance while decaffeinated coffee was not [30].” -boohoo. I did not want to read that. I was hoping to eliminate caffeine.

“A study in mice demonstrated neuroprotection on 1-methyl-4-phenyl-1,2,3,6 tetra-hydropyridine (MPTP) model of PD by virtue of A2AR activity [44]. The local antioxidant property of CGAs aids in neurogenesis and together with pyrogallol, trigonelline, catechol, 5-hydroxytryptamides, and N-methylpyridinium exhibits similar effects by increasing calcium signaling and dopamine release in the central nervous system [13,41]. Another explanation is that coffee raises the number of bifidobacteria that are associated with mitigating local inflammatory response, diminishing procarcinogenic processes and lower misfolding rates of α-synuclein in the enteric nervous system, therefore reducing the risk of PD by decreasing dissemination of the protein to the brain [45]. There are very few studies that have looked into this avenue and require further investigation to better understand the mechanism. It is of note that the strongest association among all neurodegenerative diseases has been indicated in caffeine consumption with PD incidence [46”

* 3 cups a day for the greatest benefit! Oh no!

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

From Science of Parkinson’s 2020

Oh Simon, you are so good. I thank you.

“For a long time it was been reported that coffee may be able to reduce the risk of developing Parkinson’s, but the mechansim by which this association could be occurring has remained elusive.

Now researchers from South Korea have discovered a biological pathway that could help to explain the protective association.

It involves a protein called PARP and a chemical called chlorogenic acid.”

“Numerous preclinical studies have suggested that the neuroprotective effect may be a result of caffeine (click here for a review on this topic), but a clinical trial found that 6–18 months of caffeine “did not provide clinically important improvement of motor manifestations of Parkinson’s” (Click here to read more about this).

And this has left the research field wondering what particular component(s) of coffee could be having the potential neuroprotective effect on Parkinson’s.”

Aha! Maybe I don’t have to ingest caffeine! Reading on to determine (hopefully)

PARP! A study in Korea states that it is the activity of PARP that confers the Neuroprotective benefits of coffee. How?

“RECAP #2: PARP (or Poly (ADP-ribose) polymerase) is a protein involved in detecting DNA damage and initiating a repair response.

It achieves this by binding to damaged DNA regions and beginning to synthesise chains of poly-ADP ribose (or PAR). But if this process becomes unregulated and too much PAR begins to build up, it can lead to a form of cell death called Parthanatos.” (Which is similar to apoptosis / programmed cell death)

“But what is apparent is that inhibiting PARP appears to be neuroprotective in models of neurological conditions.”

Okay, how do we inhibit PARP? Is that what coffee is doing? How can it be replicated and maybe even improved?

“Research groups have also found that inhibition of PARP reduces levels of the Parkinson’s associated protein alpha synuclein (Click here to read more about this).”

I AM NOW ON A MISSION TO INHIBIT PARP!

“ Poly (ADP-ribose) drives pathologic alpha-synuclein neurodegeneration in Parkinson’s disease” 2018

“By treating neurons grown in cell culture with preformed alpha synuclein fibrils, the researchers noted an increase in levels of both PARP and PAR, as well as an increase in cell death. When they treated these cells with PARP inhibitors, they found that the levels of PARP, PAR, and cell death all dropped dramatically.”

Mouse study: when mice were treated with a PARP inhibitor, in the presence of AS, dopamine neurons did not die. When not treated with a PARP inhibitor , dopamine neurons did die.

Wait…..

Now he is saying it’s PAR not PARP 🙄 would have been nice to just go directly to the point seeing as this is science and not a novel.

“On top of this result, exposing both normal cells and cells with no PARP to increased levels of PAR resulted in increased aggregation of alpha synuclein – which suggested to the researchers that it is PAR and not PARP that directly increases levels of alpha synuclein aggregation. By treating the cells with PARP inhibitors, the levels of PAR were also significantly reduced, which in turn resulted in less alpha synuclein aggregation.”

SUMMARY : (sort of)

“Alpha synuclein is killing cells by activating PARP (via the parthanatos cell death pathway)

PARP activation leads to increased levels of PAR which accelerate alpha synuclein aggregation (a feed-forward cycle)

PAR levels are increased in the brains of people with Parkinson’s

Given all of these results, the investigators suggested that clinically available PARP inhibitors should be considered for clinical testing in Parkinson’s”

Okay, so we are back to PARP inhibitors being a worthwhile target to seek out.

“Inhibiting PARP appears to be neuroprotective in models of neurological conditions, including Parkinson’s.

By blocking PARP, researchers have demonstrated the rescue of both neurotoxin and alpha synuclein models of Parkinson’s.”

“, the investigators found that liquiritigenin induced increases in RNF146 levels were able to protect the dopamine neurons (and this effect was associated with reducing levels of PAR):”

Okay? Can we supplement with liquiritigenin? No. Now what?

“also noticed that another agent in their drug screen – chlorogenic acid – exhibited the same properties (reducing PARP activity) and so they decided to investigate this in follow up research, which is the report we are reviewing today.”

CHLOROGENIC ACID - note to self, inhibits PARP and is found in coffee.

“administration of chlorogenic acid reduced the behavioural issues associated with this alpha synuclein model and protected the mice from dopamine neurodegeneration.”

Looking forward to the conclusion.

“The mechanism by which this neuroprotective effect may be occurring is unknown – there are a lot of chemicals in coffee. Recently, however, researchers in South Korea have highlighted one active component of coffee – chlorogenic acid – and an interesting mechanism of action (inhibition of PARP) that could help to explain the beneficial effect of coffee.”

Okay, at present I have concluded it’s best to keep drinking coffee (darn) and 3 cups is optimum (big darn!) BUT, how else can we get CHLOROGENIC ACID since that is quite clearly beneficial?

scienceofparkinsons.com/202...

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Green coffee (unroasted coffee) has more CHLOROGENIC ACID than roasted coffee. And light roast has more than dark roast.(I therefore drink light roast and will resume drinking green coffee (which I ordered online))

“For higher concentrations of chlorogenic acid, we should opt for lighter coffee roasts, since the compound breaks down during the roasting process.

In other words; green coffee beans are the most concentrated, followed by light roast, medium roast, and lastly dark roast coffee.”

drjosephahrens.com/chloroge...

I am happy about this because I hate the taste of coffee. Green coffee is not great but it’s much more mild than roasted coffee and it has more of the wonderful Neuroprotective CHLOROGENIC ACID.

CONCLUSION: I will resume drinking Green Coffee and hope that further research will confirm that is as beneficial if not more than drinking roasted coffee.

And what about Cascara? The coffee husks?

Do they contain CHLOROGENIC acid?

Cascara tea , aka coffee husk tea: I started drinking it last year. I hated it and stopped (I’m fussy) BUT I think I should resume. And Peleton is now peddling it. (How odd)

bevnet.com/news/2018/peloto...

Eating green coffee beans : to maximize CHLOROGENIC acid and the polyphenols in coffee, can I just simply eat unroasted coffee beans? Yes! Sounds gross but I’m going to try it.

roastycoffee.com/eating-cof...

“In the past, coffee beans were often mixed with animal fats and consumed as a snack for an extra boost of energy for people to consume. Most individuals would snack on these while traveling, working, or hunting. “

Yuck.

“Eating coffee beans unroasted is completely safe, though they are harder to bite and chew than roasted beans. Furthermore, many people may not enjoy unroasted beans because of the taste. Unroasted coffee beans taste earthy and grassy and are more acidic than roasted coffee beans. “.

This confirms that yes, I can eat green coffee beans and yes, they are gross.

“Coffee beans can provide even MORE caffeine than a cup of black coffee but in a much more concentrated and potent form. In fact, in comparison to one cup of black coffee, a single serving of 28 chocolate-covered coffee beans has about 3.5 times the amount of caffeine.”

What about the other ingredients in coffee? Do the straight beans have 3.5 times the amount of

CHLOROGENIC acid and polyphenols? My guess, yes. And my guess is that unroasted has even more.

“can consume caffeine at a quicker rate since it will actually absorb through the lining and gums of your mouth.”

So, I should try and hold it in my cheeks like a caffeinated hamster.

“Just like whole coffee beans, it's also important that you consume coffee grounds in moderation. Coffee grounds may work better for those who have sensitive teeth, or for those who may not enjoy crunching on whole coffee beans.”

roastycoffee.com/eating-cof...

CONCLUSION: I am going to try eating I brewed ground coffee (again) , resume my green coffee and look for another green coffee source perhaps grinding at home. 👍🏻

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Some extracts standardized to 50 percent or more chlorogenic acid here:

amazon.com/s?k=chlorogenic+...

Beware this one, advertised as: Pure Green Coffee Bean Extract - Green Coffee Extract with 50% Chlorogenic Acid for Heart Health…by Nature Berg. But in the Q&A we find this: What is the % of chlorogenic acid? Answer: Our Natural Raw Green Coffee Bean Extract, though it was not indicated in the bottle, per capsule there is 0.123% Chlorogenic Acid. Customer Service Support January 7, 2020

Other items claiming a like percentage of chlorogenic acid did not contradict themselves as this one did. It does not prove they are legit but at least there is the chance they are.

Additional ideas:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Eucommia ulmoides Oliver (E. ulmoides) is a traditional Chinese medicine with many beneficial effects, used as a tonic medicine in China and other countries. Chlorogenic acid (CGA) is an important compound in E. ulmoides with neuroprotective, cognition improvement and other pharmacological effects.

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

So far, 26 phenols have been isolated from E. ulmoides Oliv. (Table 2). Among them, chlorogenic acid is the most important and most studied compound. The content of chlorogenic acid in E. ulmoides Oliv. leaves is rich, up to 1%–5.5% [26], followed by male flowers, higher than the bark and stem [27]. The content of chlorogenic acid in E. ulmoides Oliv. leaves is often used as an important basis for evaluating the quality of leaves.

amazon.com/eucommia-ulmoide...

alibaba.com/trade/search?fs...

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Although I take a lot of supplements and extracts I always have concern that they do not contain what they claim but I believe this to be especially true of the lesser known , less common supplements. What about just grinding unroasted organic coffee beans at home? Highly acidic but given that the health benefits are proportionately more perhaps it’s relative.

Or, there are pre ground green coffee online but that brings me back to the concern about what is actually in it.

Thank you for introducing me to this other compound. Looks very interesting. Do you take it?

PB
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No I do not. It just came up in the search for chlorogenic acid. Regarding supplements that is a reasonable concern – the big name brands usually have good quality control. We are taking our chances with the unknowns.

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Vitacost and Life extension both have chlorogenic acid products that have been tested and approved by consumerlab:

vitacost.com/productsearch....

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This is the life extension product. Should I take this to mean they are claiming 200 mg of C acid?

That is a lot I believe.

LE
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Yes, that is how I take it. As it happens I just put this product on order.

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Thoughts on this? It’s just green coffee. It’s over priced but I haven’t figured out how to brew at home yet.

Green coffee
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In an attempt to establish dosage I looked at some animal studies. Based on these 200 milligrams of chlorogenic acid daily looks to me to be a good dose. The human data you posted seems to indicate a lower dose is adequate, so take your pick.

In a study with simultaneous dosing of chlorogenic acid and toxicant, rats did best at the highest tested dose of 60 milligrams per kilogram for one week. Equivalent human dose 7.5 milligrams per kilogram, about 500 milligrams total.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

A mouse model with posttreatment with chlorogenic acid the mice did best with the middle dosage of 50 milligrams per kilogram. Human equivalent four milligrams per kilogram. Approximate human dosage 250 milligrams total

frontiersin.org/articles/10...

This is the better of the two studies. Treatment with chlorogenic acid was longer – for 24 days.

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Very good to read. (I need good news right now PB. ) I’m having such extreme sleep deprivation I’m scared for my brain and if I can turn this around. The irony is that something found in coffee is a source of cheer as at least it is beneficial. I just ordered the same LE pills as you. I take so much this is getting ridiculous.

I want to revisit 200 mg of EGCG instead of drinking matcha. I’m not sure if EGCG will be as beneficial. I doubt it. High dose is too hard on the kidneys I believe.

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Looks like honeysuckle is a good source as well.

iopscience.iop.org/article/...

Odd, I’m not finding a good source. Thought honeysuckle might be higher concentration than the other options.

Which is the highest source of CHLOROGENIC acid? I think it’s still the green coffee?

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The chlorogenic acid content of green coffee beans is about five percent. See this chart:

researchgate.net/figure/Chl...

If the extracts at Amazon are 50 percent as stated that would be the highest.

Alibaba as linked above has got a honeysuckle chlorogenic acid extract.

Chlorogenic acid, a polyphenol in coffee, protects neurons against glutamate

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/262...

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Ooh I love coffee and 3 cups a day would be wonderful but not so keen on the caffeine. Whatever you buy don’t load it up with sugar or it will do more harm than good.

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