Coronavirus : 50% fewer deaths with hydro... - Cure Parkinson's
Coronavirus : 50% fewer deaths with hydroxychloroquine.
"Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients. "
"He said this might have skewed the results to make hydroxychloroquine look better than it really was. Those patients might have still been in the hospital because they were very sick, and if they died, excluding them from the study made hydroxychloroquine look like more of a lifesaver than it really was.
"There's a little bit of loosey-goosiness here in all this," he told CNN."
They keep trialing remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine and in the end, the best they have shown is that less patients die. Dr. Neel is over 100 patients now and zero deaths using HDM. I don't get it, how can anyone brag on the fact that less patients died on either drug when melatonin seems to save everyone who takes it so far for Covid-19?
The Manila trials of 350 patients with Covid-19 and pneumonia in multiple hospitals will be even more telling when their trial is complete, but their initial trial of HDM had no deaths either! I don't want to be one of the unlucky patients in these Remdesivir and Hydroxychloroquine trials!
Art
Art. There are several hundred thousand patients in France tested positive for covid19, and treated with daily French bread (in combination with other substances) who have only experienced mild symptoms and made a full recovery.
Dr Neel may mean well, but it's not really convincing evidence
Richard,
Can you link to information on this? I couldn't find anything on google. You mention other substances with the bread, what are the other substances?
If I had to choose between hydroxy, rem or mel at this point, it would be mel first.
Art
He's saying that most covid-positive patients have mild (if any) symptoms and recover with no treatment whatsoever.
Hello,
The goal of treatment is to treat people before it gets worse. But if you all prefer to wait until it gets serious and you suffocate by just taking paracetamol, you're free. The treatment with hydroxychloroquine is made to be taken early, after it is no longer used ....
Thank you..
Thank you for clarifying that I have the right to choose how I treat a disease that I don't presently have, though it's not clear to me what it was I wrote that prompted your response.
That was a most confusing reply. Can you look at your sentences and restructure them, take out the pronouns and adverbs so that when you say it and them and he and she we know exactly what you mean and which son's Claus the it and they and he and she and etc is intended to refer to, cuz I don't have a clue what you just tried to say. thanks
Richard,
If I was younger and not in a high risk group, that might be fine, but like many members on this forum, I am at higher risk of succumbing to Covid-19 and would not feel at all comfortable with the odds of surviving this disease or having to rely on drugs that allow people to die from Covid-19.
cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc...
As you can see your risk of dying from Covid-19 from the age of 50 on increases steadily, so I am doubtful that I will be one of those lucky ones who gets mild symptoms and just brushes this deadly disease aside like a common cold. The current death rate for Covid-19 is over 535,000 and growing and I will do what I can to avoid being added to that death rate!
Art
Art
I appreciate your concerns and wasn't seeking to disparage any decision you make for your own safety. Just pointing out that in answer to your question "why isn't everyone doing this" - "it's because the evidence is not persuasive". I would be surprised if it rescues Texas which looks like it may provide plenty of cases
Richard,
You threw me with the original reference to French bread!
Yes, Texas is definitely on the uptick right now and Dr. Neel's patient load increase is reflecting that since he is located very close to the very large city of San Antonio. It seems like many states that opened early, are seeing large upticks in case counts again . Trump had said that he felt when the weather warmed up, the virus would just go away. Arizona is in the full swing of summer days at 100 degrees F plus and they are starting to spike higher in new cases despite the intense heat that is Arizona in the summer. I lived there for a short time when I was young and can remember days in the 115 ~ 120 degrees F. It would be about 85 degrees around 4:00 in the morning almost every summer day. There are quite a few retirees in various areas of Arizona and this does not bode well for them.
As it is, the USA is leading the world by a very large margin over every other country in terms of cases and deaths. When you look at it on a graph, other countries are showing a clear decline while the US is sharply rising again.
As far as Dr. Neel, I would like to see how he does with his next 100 patients. A gold standard, randomized, double blind placebo controlled study of HDM would definitely be most useful, but at this point, I don't think they have even done that type of study for Remdesivir or Hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19. The main issue seems to be a minimal amount of interest by other doctors. My main point was that they keep trialing these two drugs over and over again with the results that people still die on these drugs. This does not sound like very good news to a person who is already at higher risk.
The closest we are going to see to that is the melatonin/Manila randomized trial with the 350 patients with Covid-19 and pneumonia, but those results are not expected until around late October or November.
Art
Art
There is a problem waiting for trial results when people are dieing. As Dr Neel noted a proper trial means deliberately denying a treatment he believes effective to some of his patients. That's true for any trial. I agree hydroxchloroquine is almost certainly more harm than good and the trials for remsdevir reek of Grimsby harbour.
I wouldn't rely on treatment - i would focus on avoiding infection. And I wouldn't rely on prophylactic melatonin for that.
Other than that risk of complacency it's probably harmless.
Stay safe
Richard
seems to me, the more extensively I have read through these several months, that the many of the survivors are in no good shape. For many many many of those, not dying may not be such a great outcome. It's for that reason that we want to think about things that we can do before symptoms get too far out of hand, just look around at all the things that have happened to people who have "survived."
There is increasing evidence that those with mild symptoms, not requiring hospitalisation are suffering serious consequences down the line
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