I recently have experienced excruciating lower back pain which I I've never had in my life! I have been eating a high-fat keto diet and somehow feel it's to blame. Two weeks ago I totally switched up my diet. I am now eating fruits and vegetables nuts and seeds very little meat low-fat. My pain went away! Does that make any sense?
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Nothing makes sense any more, It is possible that like I experience, that the pain is kidney stones or a small bowl blockage and any muscle pain is sympathetic because the pain results in poor posture . My doctor says it is a crushed spine, NOT.
Kindney stone starts on one side of the back, moves to both sides, then moves to the front. Worst pain ever .
Bowl blockage , I also feel a bit sick to my stomach.
good luck
Misread Steven. I suffer with low back pain. Had a major op several years ago. Had pain since then several times but went away with my recs below.
It happens with and without Pd. I recommend give it a little time, ice, heat , rest, etc. If no improvement, if possible see ortho and get mri. Speak from experience.
Maybe kidney stones. That and gout are a danger of a high keto diets.
I'm re-reading old posts and I see you said gout is a potential side effect of a keto diet. I'm here to tell you I had the worst gout for 60 days I couldn't walk. I blame keto diet 100%. I am back to my veggies and feeling good. That gout is no joke I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy! You were right!
There are two types of Kidney stones . One is the result of a certain bacteria and anti-bacterial treatment will take care of it for now. The bacteria can not live in an acid environment so people drink cranbery juice. The second kind is an inability for the body to process calcium properly. This is a difficult situation to intervene and have any affect.
I'm actually juicing celery every morning and it's got me regular for the first time in over a year. Back pain seems to have gone away hopefully not speaking too soon. Thanks for your input!
I eat the whole celery
Does that work as well..
You bet, along with raw carrots, apples, oranges, prunes, califlower, cucumber raisins, bananas, grapes and bran flakes and a walk around the block, followed by a tall glass of beer or hot coffee .
Too funny you're a walking produce department!
Hey I think your catching on. Once I reached the goal of a daily movement I felt better all around. Vegetables are mostly fiber, soft moisture absorbing fiber but they also contain essential vitamins and minerals . Have you had you carotene today ?
Put in a good supply of you-know-what. By the way, as longstanding fan of bidets, I cannot fathom how Americans never took to them...though I am as guilty as all. If you have whatever of the various means it takes, seems to me so much more civilized than simian...speaking of which, did you see the headliner from Science about homo-sapiens maybe learning to dance from chimps?
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Types of kidney stones
Knowing the type of kidney stone helps determine the cause and may give clues on how to reduce your risk of getting more kidney stones. If possible, try to save your kidney stone if you pass one so that you can bring it to your doctor for analysis.
Types of kidney stones include:
Calcium stones. Most kidney stones are calcium stones, usually in the form of calcium oxalate. Oxalate is a naturally occurring substance found in food and is also made daily by your liver. Some fruits and vegetables, as well as nuts and chocolate, have high oxalate content.
Dietary factors, high doses of vitamin D, intestinal bypass surgery and several metabolic disorders can increase the concentration of calcium or oxalate in urine.
Calcium stones may also occur in the form of calcium phosphate. This type of stone is more common in metabolic conditions, such as renal tubular acidosis. It may also be associated with certain migraine headaches or with taking certain seizure medications, such as topiramate (Topamax).
Struvite stones. Struvite stones form in response to an infection, such as a urinary tract infection. These stones can grow quickly and become quite large, sometimes with few symptoms or little warning.
Uric acid stones. Uric acid stones can form in people who don't drink enough fluids or who lose too much fluid, those who eat a high-protein diet, and those who have gout. Certain genetic factors also may increase your risk of uric acid stones.
Cystine stones. These stones form in people with a hereditary disorder that causes the kidneys to excrete too much of certain amino acids (cystinuria).
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Very interesting thank you
Hi Steven
Do you take magnesium?
Yes the Magtech you recommended!
I guess you had electrolyte imbalance. People on Keto diet are prone to electrolyte imbalance. When you started resuming your normal diet , your electrolytes balanced and your pain stopped.
This explan. actually seems to make a great deal of intuitive sense given that the electrolytes are also mediators of neurological signalling, fancy work for neuro-transmission, of course including pain reception.
Of course, "intuitive" is usually a synonym for "non" so I'll stop there, but have curiosity about it from anyone who knows what they are talking about. Would love anyone who can explain it from that basis go further along and do so.
Hi Steven, my best solution: Doing exercises every morning before getting up. I had a spinal chord stenosis 2 years ago, have Bern operated and since then I‘m continuosly exercising every morning. When I „forget“ (or better not being in mood...) I immediately get pain in my back! Or to say in the words of the new movement-experts: „Moving is the medication of the 21th century“!
It sounds very odd that when you added the other foods your pain went away! So difficult to understand why this would have happened. Maybe your body needed all the nutrients it has always been used to.
My husband has PD and also has really bad backache on and off. He sometimes can pin point what triggers it, lifting badly or sudden incorrect movements. He uses TNS, heat pad, pain killers.
Recently had an MRI scan which just said degeneration of the spine, so now we know it is not caused by stenosis or another disc prolapse.
He thinks the PD definitely makes his back stiffer so we do massage it with pain killing gel, but gentle exercise and walking helps too.
His diet is very healthy, with occasional treats.
Keto diets work for some people, it s probably not for everyone.
Worth getting an MRI, or scan to eliminate any other issues.
Adding more fruits and vegetables and cutting down on acid forming foods (animal protein, flour and sugar, even high sugar fruits makes the body more alkaline and can significantly reduce arthritic pain and lactic acid buildup which can also cause clicking and body aches.
My symptoms have never been worse! Aside from the back issues I was doing well on keto. I'm going back on clean keto eating I'm praying my symptoms subside because right now I don't know if I can hold down my job! All of this has happened to me during my holiday vacation. Thank you all for your input! I'll keep you posted.
Zella23,
The heat pad is good for relaxing muscles, but can overall increase inflammation. Icing with the better quality soft ice packs is highly antiinflammatory and in some people can reduce nerve pain. This is why you see professional sports use icing all the time. I have found that oral hyaluronic acid can be helpful for degenerative disc disease.
Art
I find the cold packs invaluable with my knee replacement so know how good they are! Husband not so keen but I m working on it! I ll look up hyaluronic acid I did have knee injections before replacement containing this - delayed it but didn’t find much relief from them. Might be different with back! Thanks
I had to take 300 mg of HA per day to get a good effect for me. This is what I used :
amazon.com/NOW-Hyaluronic-A...
Check with your doctor to make sure it will be safe with all other medications your husband is taking and so the doctor can monitor him.
Art
It’s only available in US, so will look up equivalent in U.K.. Thanks
Here is a UK supplier on Amazon UK who offers 300 mg capsules :
amazon.co.uk/Hyaluronic-Cap...
I don't think they even have 300 mg capsules here on this side of the pond.
Art
Thanks for that. We ll check with the MD to see if they interfere with any meds he is taking. Also due to attend the Back Pain Clinic soon so we ll also check with them.
My mom has had back pain for many years prior to pd diagnosis in the past few years it’s become much worse. She has been seeing an osteopath for about 3 months now & the change is incredible. Her back is pain free & her posture has improved tremendously. The treatment is so gentle & relaxing my mom actually falls asleep.
It makes perfect sense to me. I suffered from tortuous searing lower back pain and very sore muscles in general. Especially bad when I first arose in the morning and a little better after taking my first dose of Sinemet. After consulting with my PCP and neurologist, I changed to an anti-inflammatory diet (Dr. Weil) and the pain went away (and has stayed away) completely. It is fairly strict, but the low protein regimen has made me feel so much better! My sore muscles and terrible back pain were from systemic inflammation. My medicine works more efficiently too. My daughter, who has Lupus, also successfully follows an anti-inflammatory diet on the advice of her rheumatologist and nephrologist. You might want to discuss the benefits of an anti-inflammatory diet with your physician.
I was diagnosed with PD 12 years ago
Constipation is a symptom of old age
It might be increased due to
-reduction in autonomic nervous system capabilities
-certain medications
I have been seeing physical therapist for back pain
she turned me on to increasing the capability of my pelvic floor muscles
books.google.com/books/abou...
Physiology is as important as diet
She also turned me on to Squatty Potty
I just use a short stool
helps a lot
also use gentle colon massage
along with other supine position stretches
prunes. bananas and water
Happy new year!
Try magnesium. It worked for my husband, who had terrible constipation, not aused by old age, but PD.
My daily cocktail
B1, B12, Niacin, Magnesium, Calcium, Zinc
How much magnesium? He also used the squaty potty, but maybe a year ago. He takes 400 mg magnesium every night. Do you take B12 and folate?
Thank you
Just got latest issue of National Geographic
in mail today
great cover article on latest methods of dealing with pain
talks about using Virtual Reality to distract brain from pain
I have been trying to get better at using distraction to alleviate tremors
Maybe I should consider VR
will contact NG authors for comment
Happy Festive Holidays!!
What kind of diet to you have? Are you eating organic, grass finished protein, as well as mostly organic? Do you, on a daily basis eat processed carbs, wheat and sugars? That all makes a difference.
All organic fruits vegetables small fish like sardines anchovies. Now when I eat meat it's always grass-fed. Pasture-raised organic. Since Keto I have stopped eating meat except for the last couple days during the holidays and I'm paying for it!
When you eat meat, make sure it's pasture finished. If the meat is just pasture raised and is fed GMO grain or soy before slaughter, then that's what you're eating.
When I noticed my husband's slight tremor in 2014, I told him he had PD, and to go to the dentist and have all his amalgams removed and have a 3-D xray to see if he had any infections in his root canals or crowns. Sure enough. He did, and had his tooth removed. Those infections travel throughout the body. They are very often responsible for debilitating back pain. Check our robertrowenmd. He has posted many videos. He is a legitimate doctor who really cares about his patients. Our, local doctor has taken classes from him.
That's a pretty interesting case study if all you did was the change then pain then reversed the change and no more pain, and you made no other changes at all...in experimental design it's called a "reversal" and but for your n=1 it's pretty potent as a clinical indicator for your specific case. I'd go with it. It worked, right? And what is the actual informed scientific thinking about keto diets, I am quite ignorant on that subject.
It's a parallel to the old joke that goes
Patient: "Doctor, when I do this it hurts."
Doctor: "So don't do that."
Then he charges the patient $65.
I’ve experienced severe lower back pain at least two times over the past couple of years. The most recent was after starting a diet, which eliminated sugar, and flour. I don’t remember if I had a trigger the previous time. The pain was debilitating and lasted a couple of weeks. I don’t take any pharmaceuticals, but found Kratom offered relief. Kratom can be purchased in some states at local smoke shops. It’s original use was by field workers in Thailand who would chew the leaves after hard working days in the fields. Something like that anyway:). Netflix has a documentary called (A leap of faith). I find Kratom to be very mild. My husband now likes it for his stiff shoulder after golf. He doesn’t have PD.
On another note I just switched to NutriVita ldopa from Barlowes 40% Mucuna yesterday and already loving the difference. I’ve been using Barlowes for years, but your recent post prompted curiosity. I’ll follow up in a week or two, with my comparative thoughts. After reading all your posts we seem to have similar symptoms, timelines, jobs, and age.
Constance
Hi Cons10s, like I shared with Steven (Hey I love what has happened for Constance by way of your protocol share. Would be fascinating if you both could link your protocol and her results into one AMAZING RESULTS POST).
Yup. Your kidneys we’re taking a hit with the high fat diet. Glad you’re doing well now.
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