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[theAfrican]

Confused about taking Magnesium daily beside high dose of Thiamine. in the site :

High dose thiamine section Therapy .they mention that thiamine has Magnesium in it.there is a risk of having too much Magnesium in our body.

highdosethiamine.org/therap...

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The wording in that paragraph could have been a little clearer, But I think the point Dr. Costantini is trying to make is that some thiamine supplements have magnesium in them and those ones should be avoided.

As an example, if you had to take 4 grams of thiamine a day as your optimized dose of B-1 for best symptom improvement, it would require taking a total of 8 capsules that are 500 mg each. Well they sell 500 mg thiamine pills that also contain 100 mg of magnesium. The daily allowance for magnesium is roughly 400 mg. In the above scenario, that means that along with your 4 grams of thiamine per day (8 capsules), you would also be getting 800 mg of magnesium in addition to what you are already getting from the food you eat, so you can see where you may run into a situation where you are getting too much magnesium each day. The point he is making is that these type of thiamine pills are to be avoided. If you look at the links on the "Thiamine Primer" page you will not find these type of pills, but you will find the links for the tablets, capsules and pure bulk powder that the members on this forum are using and none of them contain magnesium!

Art

[theAfrican in reply to Hidden]

Confused about taking Magnesium daily beside high dose of Thiamine.

In the site :

High dose thiamine section Therapy, they mention that thiamine has Magnesium in it. There is a risk of having too much Magnesium in our body.

Check: highdosethiamine.org/therapy...

[Hidden in reply to theAfrican]

I did, and I just explained to you what Dr. Costantini is saying. There are thiamine supplements that contain magnesium and he is saying to avoid them. Look at the links on the "Thiamine Primer" page and you will see the supplements which the forum members are using. The correct ones in those links DO NOT CONTAIN MAGNESIUM!

Art

[theAfrican in reply to Hidden]

Thank you Art for your answer. Dr C adjust my dose to 2g a day. I'm taking solgar witch indicate the pills contain MG but no indication of the of the percentage of magnesium.

[Hidden in reply to theAfrican]

If your pills contain "magnesium stearate" and not magnesium, that is okay because it is just a filler that is used as a lubricant in the production process, but if it says magnesium, that is different. Which one does your bottle say?

Art

[theAfrican in reply to Hidden]

Magnesium stearate .

[Hidden in reply to theAfrican]

That is just a common filler used in many types of pills and should be okay. it is a very small amount.

[park_bear in reply to theAfrican]

solgar.com/SolgarProducts/V...

The ingredient list states only pure thiamine HCl. The only place "MG" shows up is to state the dosage in milligrams: "500 MG"

[Despe in reply to Hidden]

Art, what is the maximum dose for Magnesium for PwP? My husband takes two different types of MG totaling 700mg. Is it too much?

[Hidden in reply to Despe]

It depends a lot on where you read about it, but generally 350 to 400 mg per day is what you will find. I always take more than that myself, but being aware of the effects of too much magnesium is also a good idea for a person like me who generally takes more than 400 mg/day. One of the first things you may notice is diarrhea, but I suspect this is less likely if you take a form of magnesium like Magtein / Magnesium L threonate which is purported to target the brain as I have never noticed a tendency toward diarrhea from that one.

Another indication of too much magnesium is nausea and or cramps. Low blood pressure and fatigue would be two more symptoms. At the extreme it would be death.

Whenever you have health issues it is always important to let your doctor know you plan to supplement with magnesium so that they can recommend an effective dose for your particular situation and then they can also monitor you. Multiple health issues would definitely require that your doctor be aware of all supplements you are taking to be safe.

Art

[theAfrican in reply to Hidden]

I have a bottle of magnesium Taurate 2500 mg per serving from

Vitacost. It said serving size 2 tablets. I called them but their pharmacist is off today. Waiting for their answer. In this case I’m guessing I will take one pill a week .?

[Hidden in reply to theAfrican]

I very recently checked with Vitacost on behalf of another forum member who was taking exactly what you are taking, magnesium taurate from Vitacost. Each of those pills that you have gives only a 100 mg of magnesium. The remainder is taurine and a little bit of filler. I will look for that post.

If you have done your reading on thiamine, you will know that Dr. Costantini "prefers" that you start with thiamine alone so he can get an unadulterated view of what exactly the thiamine is doing and this in turn helps him to zero in on your optimal dose as the dose is very individualized to each person. Taking other supplements makes the process more difficult, but once the correct dose is established, you can then start to add other supplements such magnesium or other B-vitamins.

Art

[theAfrican in reply to Hidden]

Thank you Art. You are the best.

[Hidden in reply to theAfrican]

This a link to the post that explains about the magnesium taurate from Vitacost :

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

Art

[Despe in reply to Hidden]

At times he has LBP. He is currently taking "3 in 1 Advanced Magnesium" It has three different types of MG: Threonate, Glycinate and Taraute, total 300mg. He takes 2 capsules of this but recommended dose is 3 a day. In the evening, he takes MagSRT, as dimagnesium malate 2 capsules (recommended dose 4 a day). So actually the total is 450mg, not 700mg as I previously wrote. Of course, before he goes to bed, I spray him with mag oil (your recipe ). Magnesium has helped him tremendously with cramps which he had almost every night. I hesitate to have him stop taking magnesium as I am afraid the cramps will return.

Tomorrow we will see our local DO who is working with a neurologist and I will certainly ask him about mag and MP. If he recommends conventional medicine, I will fire him This is the second visit, first one was a couple of years ago. Our FP made a referral because of my husband's tremors. He (DO) sent us home and asked us to return a year later. A year later came, but we made an appointment with our University Hospital. Didn't like the neurologist there as she had prescribed an ANCIENT medication for my husband which had bad, bad side effects. The following year (this year) we went to Mayo where we finally had a diagnosis although it lacked special and imaging testing. WE ARE OUR OWN DOCTORS.

[Hidden in reply to Despe]

Yes, magnesium can lower blood pressure and if it gets too low he can have dizziness upon standing from a seated or laying down position and this can precipitate a fall, something that should definitely be avoided. Does he have hypertension? If so maybe you can discuss with his doctor about possibly lowering his blood pressure medication while taking magnesium. Otherwise you may need to lower the magnesium dose if it is the cause of the lower pressure readings. Does the mag oil alone alleviate the cramps? The mag oil is absorbed through the skin so it does add to the total magnesium intake, plus whatever he is getting from food, so he is getting a significant dose of magnesium. A little body lotion on top of the mag oil application site makes for a much better feel on the skin.

Another thing to consider Despe, is that B-1 also has shown potential to lower blood pressure and raise blood pressure and you can talk to Dr. C on that point.

Another consideration is that some people report that thiamine can help with cramping also, so are you sure if it is the magnesium or thiamine that is helping to relieve the cramps or possibly both. If it is the thiamine, that is actually helping, maybe that will allow him to take less magnesium, because of the two, I would guess the magnesium is more likely to lower his blood pressure.

In any case, you will have some good questions for that next doctor visit!

Art

[Despe in reply to Hidden]

Thanks a million, Art! I really need to talk to the DO tomorrow about MAG. Just don't know if he wants to talk about alternative medicine. . . he is supposed to since he is a doctor of osteopathy.

His blood pressure is not below 100, and most of the time it's ideal. No fainting spills either and no He also takes Omega 3 and turmeric supplements which probably contribute to low blood pressure. I don't know why he doesn't have cramps anymore. Guess a combination of magnesium and supplements, but especially your magnesium recipe. Forgot to mention that after our walks, he soaks his feet in Epsom salts, adding baking soda, lavender and cinnamon oils. That was Cleveland's functional medicine doctor's prescription along with some other supplements. MAG OD??

[Despe in reply to Hidden]

We had that visit today. What a waste of time. He recommended 400mg of magnesium a day even for PwP. That was it. He didn't know anything about MP dose, he had no idea about B1 therapy, and he only asked my husband if was interested in pharmaceuticals. He also told us that my husband is doing really well and I got the opportunity to mention Dr. C. and B1 therapy. On the list of meds I handed to him was only thyroid hormone replacement and in big letters I wrote B1 injections prescribed by Dr. C. an Italian Clinician Neurologist! This list of meds is now part of my husband's record they keep at the Neurologist's/DO's office. I hope I got him curious to search Dr. C.'s accomplishments and studies about B1 and PD.

[Hidden in reply to Despe]

I'm glad you were able to pass the information along, Despe and hopefully he does look into B-1, you have to start somewhere! Did you list borax on the list? That might have caught his attention and I'm sure he would have something to say about it.

Art

[Despe in reply to Hidden]

No, I didn't list Borax as my husband is not using it. Sorry, Art.

[Mucuna123 in reply to Despe]

Beside b1, what other natural med is your husband using? Does he use anything to help the mucuna to cross the brain barrier and have longer effect? Thanks