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No PD Symptoms but still have PD

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Just back from my neurologist visit.

He confirmed that I have no Bradykinesia , no stiffness or rigidity,no tremors. I also added that I have no swallowing problems , no sleep issues , no bowel movement issue , no mood problems, a good sense of smell ,only some dystonia when walk fast which considerably reduced for the past month.

BUT Still I Have PD.

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wifeofparky profile image
wifeofparky

are you taking any medications?

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Kia17 in reply towifeofparky

Magnesium

B1

Vitamin D3

Omega3

Omega6

Mannitol

B12

Folate

Low dose B6

6.25/25 Sinemet twice a day trying to switch to Mucuna P

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Erniediaz1018 in reply toKia17

Wow the that's great. Tell me your eating habits please.

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Kia17 in reply toErniediaz1018

Thank you.Low carbs. Limited gluten.

High fiber . Walnuts, chia seeds , almonds. Less animal protein except salmon. More plant based proteins.

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ion_ion in reply toKia17

If you take Sinemet then sure you may not have symptoms. See if you do not have symptoms without medication.

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Xabojuro2 in reply toKia17

hi, thanks for sharing your experience. apologise in advance if I am repeating a question you have been asked in the past; i searched the web for Mannitol and what is it for but i can't really understand what is it for ? can you please comment or point me to a link where u have answered this question. thanks

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Kia17 in reply toXabojuro2

Xabojuro2

Mannitol and Parkinson's Disease.

outthinkingparkinsons.com/a...

scienceofparkinsons.com/201...

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EELAINE in reply toKia17

Good work on keeping PD at bay. How is it going trying to switch to Mucuna P? We've got my husband up to 50% on Mucuna P, but he's wanting to hang on to his reduced Sinemet RX even though the carbidopa med gives him nausea. Thanks for a ll you information.

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Kia17 in reply toEELAINE

When consulted with Dr Costantini about Mucuna P , he didnot advise Mucuna P ,so I kept continue taking the low dose Sinemet instead.

rebtar profile image
rebtar

Did you previously have any significant tremor? Do you exercise and how much? How long have you been taking b1 and mannitol? Was your improvement gradual? Could you share dosage of your list? Thanks for sharing, your posts are most hdlpful.

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Kia17 in reply torebtar

I had tremors in left side and neck but it all subsided.I do indoor cycling 3-4 times a week with NON PD people at gym . Walking 20 minuets ever other day.The improvements from Thiamine started from 2nd week and reached its pick in 4 months then stayed steady.

Thiamine 1.5grs morning 1.5 grs noon

Magnesium (Aximagnesio)300mg morning 400 mg magnesium citrate at bedtime

B12 400mcg (Methylcobalamin) daily

Folate 400mcg daily

D3 1200 IU daily

Mannitol 5grs twice a day

Omega 3 and 6 as part of Vit D capsules

B6 2mg which comes with Aximagnesio

in reply toKia17

Thank you. "The improvements from Thiamine started from 2nd week and reached its pick in 4 months then stayed steady."

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ryanJames1 in reply to

Hi Roy

I'm on Mucuna and NAC and mannitol which is the greatest improvement

Thought I'd throw in thiamine

Can you tell me what kind and dosage?

I am tremor dominant as well

Thank you

in reply toryanJames1

See my profile and posts and replies

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rebtar in reply toKia17

Thanks

munchybunch profile image
munchybunch in reply toKia17

Do you think mannitol helps??

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Kia17 in reply tomunchybunch

Mannitol helps alot for non motor symptoms like better mind clarity,sense of smell,..

munchybunch profile image
munchybunch in reply toKia17

Did it take a long time to work? The silly thing is I have a bag of it in the cupboard and then never get around to giving it to andy. Just nervous of the dosage I guess. Any suggestions? He’s 85 Kgs.

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Kia17 in reply tomunchybunch

I take 5gr twice a day with a cup of tea in morning and evening . I started 2 months ago and I think started working quite soon.

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Dap1948 in reply toKia17

Kia17, what make of thiamine do you take? Mine comes as 100mg capsules which would mean taking 30 a day to take the dosage which works for you!

Kia17 profile image
Kia17 in reply toDap1948

Thiamine hcl from Solgar. The tablet strength : 500 mg

Dap1948 profile image
Dap1948 in reply toKia17

Thank you. However although I can find "thiamine 500 mg" by solgar, I can't find "thiamine hcl". How important is the 'hcl'?!

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Kia17 in reply toDap1948

Solgar 500 mg version is Thiamine HCL as far as I know. Its crucially important based on my personal experience.

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Erniediaz1018 in reply toDap1948

I asked the same question from Royprop and he made me aware of you look in the back of jar for 500mg solgar it says hcl so yes kia17 is right 500mg solgar is thiamine hcl

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WinnieThePoo in reply toKia17

Interesting. I'll keep a knot tied in my hanky about Thiamine. The rest of what you are doing sounds much like what I'm doing so its encouraging its working for both of us.

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wifeofparky

Apparently your regimen is giving you very good control. Be grateful. I wish you continued success. I compare this to someone with high blood pressure. Just because your meds are keeping your pressure in the normal range doesn't mean you do not have high blood pressure any more. The dosing you are on is perfect for your PD right now.

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Kia17 in reply towifeofparky

Thank you for these

johntPM profile image
johntPM

Rejoice.

John

Kia17 profile image
Kia17

I confirm that I have a positive DatScan

Erniediaz1018 profile image
Erniediaz1018 in reply toKia17

Me too. I was in denial for about two years wouldn't accept the diagnosis until I got dat scan 😶

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nourilo

When were u diagnosed?

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Kia17 in reply tonourilo

Had dystonia from 2015 and other symptoms even years before but diagnosed on March 2017

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Maja54

Consider your self lucky, you can still function. ENJOY IT.The symptoms will come no doubt about that, If you think you have been misdiagnosed get a second opinion it will help you to understand.Maybe you are to yang and the symptoms are very mild, barley noticeable. Just enjoy he time you have , the misery will come much to soon. I Might misspell the[ BARLEY], Just replace the word with[ little] and you will get my meaning. Thank you for understanding. Good luck.

Maja

The name is pronounced phonetically with J not like G. Just like to make clear . thanks

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ConnieD in reply toMaja54

How long have you taken mannitol and do you think the biggest improvement is from the thiamine? Were you taking everything else as well as exercise with little or no improvement before thiamine? Did you have stiffness? Sorry for so many questions but so many of us are desperate to improve. Thanks in advance for any info

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Kia17 in reply toConnieD

Donot worry,feel free to ask your questions.

Started Mannitol 2 months ago.

Mannitol helped for sense of smell but B1 improved both motor and non motor symptoms. I believe the great improvements is from Thiamine.Apart from B1 and magnesium that started almost a year ago other supplements was from 2 months ago almost when started Mannitol.I had pain and stiffness untill few months ago.

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ConnieD in reply toKia17

Thank you, so happy for you!😊

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park_bear in reply toMaja54

"The symptoms will come no doubt about that"

Your comment is dead wrong and totally inappropriate. Dr. Costantini has brought over 150 patients into continuing remission with high dose thiamine and there is every reason to expect that to continue. Please educate yourself before pronouncing such curses.

in reply topark_bear

151 counting me, "patients into continuing remission with high dose thiamine". Still waiting for tremor to subside. This may yet occur with continued use of hi-dose thiamin hcl

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Ajssister in reply to

Thank you for sharing your journey. It’s helping me get the courage to try n convince my bro to go this way. God bless.

in reply toAjssister

If after 4 months he sees improvement, he has the remainder of his life to be thankful. The alternative is Parkinson's

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Toogood in reply to

Same here

in reply topark_bear

Yes, I agree !!

MarciAC4 profile image
MarciAC4 in reply topark_bear

Would you please elaborate on Dr. Costantini and high dose thiamine?

Kia17 profile image
Kia17 in reply toMarciAC4

Please search the forum. There are loads of posts and comments about it.

M1tz1 profile image
M1tz1 in reply topark_bear

Well said, park_bear.

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Erniediaz1018 in reply topark_bear

Thank you park_bear 🙏 you too Royprop thank you both

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Nitro53 in reply toMaja54

Good outlook to share

Kia17 profile image
Kia17

Thank you Maja

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munchybunch

Wow that’s fantastic Kia. I’m so happy for you. Hopefully yours is slow progression. Go Kia!!!

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Kia17 in reply tomunchybunch

Thank you for this. Likewise wishing the same for your husband.

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Ajssister

Thank you for posting Kia17. I am going to start my bro on all of what you’re taking. I’m hoping to convince him to cut bk on the C/L med n the others but I know he is scared. He gets the DAT Scan tomorrow. We’ll make an appointment to see his neurologist after that. She is young n hopefully open to researching Dr C n his work. I have not written to him yet, but I plan to. You have been a tremendous source of hope to me. Thank you so much. God bless you.

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ddmagee1

Thanks Kia17! I’m very happy for you! You give some of us hope that there may be a way to help ourselves! Anybody that can find a way to have relief of the curse of PD symptoms, whether it be prescribed medicine, exercise, or whatever, I’m happy for them!

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Kia17 in reply toddmagee1

Thanks very much. Keep it up.

maungwin56 profile image
maungwin56

How long did you have PD? What medication you took before,?

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Kia17 in reply tomaungwin56

Please read this post for a complete information.

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M1tz1

So happy for you, Kia. Congrats.

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Kia17 in reply toM1tz1

Thank you

All the best

Spudrock profile image
Spudrock

Great to hear your good news. Can I ask if you started the high dose B1 straight away or did you build up gradually? Also do you have a contact email for Dr Constantine? Finally where do you get mannitol from? Thank you. You give us all hope.

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emmemi in reply toSpudrock

carapetata@libero.it

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Kia17 in reply toSpudrock

I get Mannitol from Amazon.

I started Thiamine with 4grs a day then reduced to 3grs a day divided dose.

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Spudrock

Your fast reply is really appreciated. Thanks.

Kia17 profile image
Kia17

What I undrestand from PD is that it takes years for the disease to develop and progress. When we try to reverse the symptoms , it won’t happen overnight , because it hasnot developed overnight.

We really need patience and determination.

IMHO:

Don’t underestimate the power of forced exercise like cycling and fast walk.

Do more social activities.

Spend less on your mobile and social media ,internet in general.

Do charitable activities if you have spare time

Visit your freinds regularly.

Best wishes

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Dnw876a in reply toKia17

Don’t underestimate the power of forced exercise like cycling and fast walk.

Do more social activities.

Spend less on your mobile and social media ,internet in general.

Do charitable activities if you have spare time

Visit your freinds regularly.

Brilliant advice, Kia17.

Quit thinking about it and as one aged NPR announcer stated while I was listening to a pledge drive in the 90’s stated: ‘Get up off your good intentions and -...

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Jumex2017

When you say it comes with, does it mean that your b6 comes together with your magnesium and you just take 1 tablet? Similarly with omega 3 & 6 , does it come with your fit D? My dr recommended q10 and azilect. Nothing else. Movements are slow and used to play 10 sports.

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Kia17 in reply toJumex2017

Yes correct. B6 comes together with Magnesium. Likewise Omega3 and 6 come together with Vit D

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Jumex2017 in reply toKia17

Can you tell me the make for these supplements

Folate

Magnesium

D3

Magnesium citrate

Its not easy to obtain these supplements in Asia especially thiamine so i will have to buy overseas.Do you mean that b6 comes with the d3

Thanks

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Jumex2017 in reply toJumex2017

Sorry i mean omega 3 & 6 comes with D3

Kia17 profile image
Kia17 in reply toJumex2017

Yes.

B12 and Folate are in one capsule

Magnesium and B6 are in one tablet.

D3 and onega3-6 in one capsule

Kia17 profile image
Kia17 in reply toJumex2017

D3 + Omega3 and 6 ; Igennus

Magnesium + B6 :Pegaso ( Aximagnesio)

B12 and folate; LifeExtension

Magnesium citrate: Solgar

Dragona profile image
Dragona

I herb do have the solgar but apparantly you have to pay a tax when it is delivered

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Kia17 in reply toDragona

With the custom chargrs it becomes something around £16 for 100 tablets .

Jumex2017 profile image
Jumex2017

Is this purchased in the uk? I searched and see you buy vita cost>?Does the thiamine cost in 150mg or is it 500mg?

Does Holland and Barrett sell them?Aslo what does mannitol do? Doctors don’t seem to orescribed them here.

Thanks.Im trying buy them in Australia.

Hi Kia 17, what is Aximagnesio? Can you tell me the ingredients so I can look for a U.S. version?

ion_ion profile image
ion_ion

Usually takes around a week. I just received my reply from him.

ion_ion profile image
ion_ion

I started Solgar Thiamine HCL on 3.24.18. I did a blood test a day before for B1 and D. B1 came ok 28 [7-42] but D was low -62 [75-225].

After a week a saw improvement; also I noticed the improvement is much better if I take B1 on empty stomach but I get gases and feel bloated. So I'm taking one hour after food but no later than 3 pm.

I'm taking 2 g / day of B1 and 2000IU of D3, nothing else and after 3 weeks I can feel big improvement in physical and mental strength. Also the tremor intensity got down around 50%.

I wrote dr. Constantini and after a week he replied back and told me to stay on this dose for now. He asked me to send him a pull test video and the tremor video.

To be sincere I was reluctant to do this test with B1 but it seems to be working.

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ion_ion in reply toion_ion

I wrote dr. Constantini first time three weeks ago and he replied after a week. Monday I wrote him again and he replied today.

I told him about onion being the best sleep and anti-anxiety medicine for me. I told this to some doctors in US and they started to laugh.

Similar I can say I had in the past a skin fungus infection I could not get rid of it no matter what medicine I used. I told a dr. about Castellani's red paint used in middle age and he just laughed. I bought some from Canada (in US they do not make it) and that helped me cure it.

Here is what he said:

"Dear Ion, the only thiamine is enough for the therapy. We usually add the other vitamins group B when we don't obtain the desidered result. By the way, i think it could be helpful in your case to take a dose of all the other vitamins group b, folic acid also, equivalent to the daily RDA. We give thiamine on empty stomach, in the morning and at lunch time.

I'll try onion very soon myself! I have never experienced it with my patients but on the net, in Italian too, we can find a lot of reports about the relation between onion and sleep!

Remember that the right dose stops completely the disease progression, so you have to take a short videotape of all your motor activities so that you can have a reference for the future: you can send that video to us if you agree.

Kind regards,

Antonio"

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Boyce3600 in reply toion_ion

Please post Dr C's contact info

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Smittybear7 in reply toion_ion

I started with 1500mg b1 and it increased tremors and I started freezing cut back to 1000mg issues not as bad. How do you determine the right dosage. How long do you try a particular dose? I went weeks at 1500

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ion_ion in reply toSmittybear7

I started at 2000mg 3 years ago and now I'm at 500mg. You play with the dose for the best results. Anyhow, B1 does not help too much the tremor but yo have to make sure it is not making it worse. But B1 helped me with all non-motor symptoms.

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JANVAN in reply toion_ion

Hi Ion_Ion >>> do you take 2000 or 20000 IU of D3 ??

There's now a lot to do about a Brazilian Doktor (Coimbra, I think) who does a protocol that helps a lot with MS (and some cases (but the last year not many articles) of Parkinson),,,

based on hyperdosis Vit. D

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ion_ion in reply toJANVAN

2000. I take supra-dose of Thiamine 2g/day. Last year I took D supra-dose of 50 000 / week for 8 weeks as my D level was 42.

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JANVAN in reply toion_ion

Just to be sure : 50000 a week = about 7142 IU a day....???, why such a strange doses (and not for instance 5000 or 10000 a day).

And you did that for 8 weeks ?

Can you say your improvements in Motorik symptoms were due to Thiamine or Vit. D ,,,,or can't you say it exactly which of the two....

Did you take it under medical control (regularly bloodcontrol >>> parathormone // Ca levels // to check the kidneys....because Dr. Coimbra gives amounts of > 20000 IU Vit. D a day.

(with 90% successrate by MS ....!?!😳😳)

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ion_ion in reply toJANVAN

That's called a shock dose for people with low D (I had 42). After 8 weeks the dr. put me on 1000ui/day. After one year I did another D test and I was still low (62) so I went to 2000ui/day. I do not take D for PD, I take it because I'm low on it.

For PD I started Thiamine on 3.24.18 2g/a day and after a week I noticed improvements in my energy levels.

And by the way , last year, when I took D shock dose I noticed my PD symptoms went down including the tremor. The thiamine helps with tremor but only partially. Instead thiamine helped with energy killing the anxiety and depression and giving a clear thinking so I can do my programming job.

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JANVAN in reply toion_ion

Very interesting, where do you living.? Do the doktors or neurologist know that "the shock dose" in your country or was you it been giving through your complementary (holistic) therapist ??

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JANVAN in reply toJANVAN

Ja, and another thing ; is it "bad" to take Thiamine in the evening ? (because sometimes, I don't manage to take it at noon (to much stress und to much watching colleagues,....)

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ion_ion in reply toJANVAN

The family doctor gave the dose and that was before I was diagnosed with PD. I live in Michigan. The Thiamine should be taken no later than 3pm as it may cause insomnia. It also helps with the stress. Why taking vitamins in front of the colleagues would be a stressful thing?

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Boyce3600 in reply toion_ion

Interesting my hubby has just been given 50,000 IU a week of Vit D for a year. Then recheck. We are in USA

ion_ion profile image
ion_ion in reply toBoyce3600

For a year!? I took it for 8 weeks.

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Smittybear7 in reply toion_ion

I take 10,000 d3 my level is 80

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ion_ion in reply toSmittybear7

My doctor said the 10 000UI should be only for short period of time and then to switch to maximum 2000. My D level was 25 and now is around 80 with 1000UI a day.

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Smittybear7 in reply toion_ion

My nutritionist and naturopath said over the winter 10,000 /day if you're lower than 60 Also there's a lot being written about vitamin d and the virus. I have been taking 10000 since 2015. Good luck and keep me posted. I appreciate your comments

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Xabojuro2 in reply toion_ion

did you gradually work up to 2g B1 dose?

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ion_ion in reply toXabojuro2

No. Just started 1g morning 1g around 2-3 pm.

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Jumex2017

Thank you for your reply, I’m so what confused.You said you take 1.5g of thiamine and vitacost is recommended for easy swallowing..does it mean you take 3 tablets as they come in 500 mg. what is folate for? My husband does not take sinnemet but takes azimet which is extremely expensive over 100pds for 30 tablets. Its apparently good although i do not see the effect as such. Also mannitol, what does it do?

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Jumex2017

Thank you.You definitely give us hope.On these medications can you tell me if you got these from Dr Constantine? I see his name being mentioned .Is he an online neurologist who is helping people?

My husband is youngish but have seemed to be growing old at a very fast speed.

Any tip for getting rid of the masking face?

can i have Dr Constantine's email?

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Kia17

Dr Costantini has only advised me of Thiamine Hcl and Magnesium.

Please send me a message I will forward you his email address.

Which country are you in?

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Boyce3600 in reply toKia17

Dr Costantini can be reached how? Will he answer just anyone or do u start with videos, medical records proof, etc?

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Natalia2

Thank you very much for this very important information. I did search Sinemet 6.25/25, but did not see anything about. Is it something special? Thank you.

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Kia17 in reply toNatalia2

Hi Natalia

I take half a tablet of 12.5/50 twice a day. The tablet should have score.

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Jumex2017

lastly i tried searching from amazon and couuld not find these drugs.

Can they be found in any drug stores in america?

assuming you come from the states...

in reply toJumex2017

Special order from Sierra Blanca Pharmacy, Ruidoso, New Mexico and yes in the states

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Jumex2017

Glad to know you are so well and hope you get better in the most natural way!

Please can you tell me where you get your drugs eg in the states , uk or....

I tried amazon us chemist australia and i cant seem to find them with your dosage.

Thansk

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Jumex2017

actually my husbands left arm is leg is very stiff.Will magnesium and thiamine help?

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Jumex2017

I asked for Dr Constantine's email. How do i message you in this url?

I live in Asia. Thanks

Kia17 profile image
Kia17

I messaged you his email address.please check your chat history.

Greenday profile image
Greenday

I've noticed that many take Thiamine with magnesium. What's the purpose of taking magnesium with Thiamine if a deficiency/insufficency does not exist? Is it relvant to Dr Costantini thiamine treatment? Does Dr Costantini recommend taking magnesium with Thiamine?

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Kia17 in reply toGreenday

He advised me to take magnesium with the Thiamine saying that Mg would increase the Thiamine effects. But everyone is different and he may or may not advise other PwPD to take Magnesium with Thiamine.

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Kia17

I started switching Sinemet to Mucuna P from today afternoon. I normally take 6.25/25 Sinemet in the morning and 6.25/25 in the afternoon. I have replaced the afternoon dose with 1 Mucuna P capsule of 60mg L-Dopa.

I feel almost the same as Sinemet and plan to replace the Sinemet morning dose with Mucuna P in few days time.

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Jumex2017

I looked into folate and they say its for pregnant women. Can I ask you why you are taking this? I searched the pharmacist in Australia and they only sell folate and B6 separately. Another question about mannitol...how do you take it? I just received my order from Blackburn .Do you miss it with tea or take a teaspoon of it on its own? Also can you buy mannitol over the chemist in the UK? My sister lives there..You are so lucky...even though my husband takes B1, it helps with walking but he suffers from severe bradykinesia and stiffness. I just dont know how to overcome this. Dr C says he advises taking a little levopoda but my husband doesnt want to take it after reading the side effects. Do you take any of it?

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Astra7 in reply toJumex2017

He could try PEA - palmitoykanolamide - It has helped me a lot with stiffness. Try it for 3 months though.

Or he could take some madapor and just enjoy life while he can!!

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Kia17

Jumex2017

I donot take folate anymore but mannitol with coffee and tea and buy from Blackburn.

I take low dose L-dopa with B1.

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MJKittyLover

What led to your diagnosis?

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Kia17 in reply toMJKittyLover

I had some symptoms, the worst was toes dystonia . Diagnosed with clinical symptoms and DATScan in 2017.

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