Fast 800

[HES19]

Good morning. I was diagnosed with fatty liver disease in August this year and advised to lose weight - I do have a high BMI so that was expected. I am considering using the Michael Mosley Fast 800 eating plan. Does anyone use this weight loss plan and how successful have you found it? Many thanks.

[TT-2018]

Listen to a qualified NHS dietician, fad diets are there to make money for the person selling you their books etc.

Dr Michael Mosley is not a physician.

[moonbeam4 in reply to TT-2018]

Hi, doctor Mosley is a qualified and well respected Doctor. I followed an intermittent fasting routine with the knowledge and blessing of my Doctor who monitored me throughout and over the course of a year I lost 2 and a half stone and most importantly the weight has stayed off. I was hovering at the door of diabetes 2 and my kidney function was also causing concern ( i have cirhosis ) thankfully my latest blood tests have been the best in years. I now eat very healthily and have " a day of rest " ie fast on mondays which has enabled me to maintain my weight loss. As pointed out it is vital that everything be done with the knowledge of ones own Doctor and or dietician which in my case were both excited with my results. personally I think Dr Morse is great and I can,t understand why you think he,s a quack, if I have that correct?. sorry if this reply is odd in places my words keep vanishing on me as i,ve had to did out my old tablet/username as now my new phone has gone down on me lol. already tried to post this twice!!.😕😂

[TT-2018 in reply to moonbeam4]

Hi Moonbeam,

I am pleased that it worked for you successfully. Michael Mosley studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics and after a short spell in the City, studied Psychiatry before embarking on a career in Journalism. If you check him out, he has never actually practiced medicine.

If you are generally healthy, without a specific diagnosis then good luck.

But for a specific diagnosis, it’s very important to follow medical advice and seek particular dietary guidelines in relation with that.

Good luck with your health.

Mark.

[Hidden in reply to TT-2018]

A calorie restricted diet like this is based on research done at Newcastle University and has been used by many with Type 2 Diabetes to put it into remission. It is also good for losing weight as it induces ketosis and the body uses fat to make ketones which it uses as an energy source - rather than glucose.

[canadaliz in reply to TT-2018]

Just to be clear--Dr. Mosely studied PPE at Oxford and then became an investment banker...before realising that this really wasn’t the industry for him...so he retrained as a medical doctor. After studying medicine at the Royal Free Hospital in London and qualifying as a doctor he studied psychiatry then went on to a career in medical journalism. But to put this nugget to bed his opinions are rooted in medicine and his experience as a doctor of medicine.

I lost 80lbs on his diet and loved it. The weight has stayed off brilliantly. I too was on the cusp of type 2 diabetes and it reversed that evil in no time. My blood sugar is completely normal now. I have cirrhosis due to a hepatotoxic response to treatment for breast cancer and must now feed my liver appropriately. Whilst Dr. Mosely's diet plan is excellent for a generally healthy person it may not serve the needs of an individual with a cirrhotic liver. One with cirrhosis must guard against muscle wasting by eating little and often--a good guideline is 200 cals every 2 hours as suggested my the nutritionist in the transplant department of Toronto General Hospital. A healthy liver stores glucose and releases it as needed but a cirrhotic liver generally struggles to perform this essential task; as such the body turns to any available sources of energy which in our case is muscle. Dr. Mosely's diet plan worked brilliantly for me before my liver fell victim to the chemical onslaught of cancer treatment but now it would do me a disservice.

[BrynGlas in reply to moonbeam4]

Yes I do Fast 800, it is not a fad diet at all, Mediterranian Diet and Michael Mosley is a qualified Doctir after all, plus he is his own guinea pig when trying out various of his ways of eating. Not many GP's can say that.

It is also pretty low carbs, lots of vegetables, nuts, seeds, fish, meat, poultry, eggs.

I am low thyroid, though, no liver problems as far as I am aware.

I eat between 800 - 1,100 calories a day, but tend to stick to 8/900 calories.

I weigh myself every morning, before eating/drinking, after the loo.

I rarely eat before lunch time because I don't get hungry often in the mornings. If I am hungry I eat, believe me.

I have been told off over the years many times, people telling me I should not weigh daily, that I am eating too few calories, HAVE to eat breakfast, should graze all day, etc etc (none of those things ever helped me lose weight)

Dr Mosley also talks about intermittant fasting, widening the window of hours in the day when you do not eat (overnight mostly) and reducing the window of hours in the day when you eat. He does not recommend fully fasting & you don't need to be hungry. Having said that, most of us eat by the clock, (and snack a lot without thinking about it) and not by when our bodies tell us to eat. So some find it difficult at first and he acknowledges this and there are tips on how to manage that.

So I would recommend anyone thinking of Fast 800 diet to buy a book and there is a Facebook Group that I am a member of too, though I don't go on there often personally.

The old 3 meals a day based on high carbohydrate, zero fat etc are just that - old news and if they are so great, why are their so many grossly overweight people in this world? They are not all low thyroid either.

My advice to anyone wanting to lose weight would be to dismiss nothing.

The old ways don't work for everyone, zero fat & high carb is not for the masses or we would see very few obese people around.

Investigate the other options and don't let people tell you that you are wrong because you are thinking of trying a different way. What suits you suits you, don't stop searching for what that is. Go for it!

[CocoChannel]

I went from BMI 32 to 26 surprisingly quickly by sticking to 2000 calories a day (write down every food and drink item). That amount of food is already quite low so you should automatically eat fairly healthily as there’s no room for any junk in there. It’s also a sustainable diet which 800 calories isn’t.

There’s no hurry to lose weight. Losing a half to one Kg a week is a good target.

[BrynGlas in reply to CocoChannel]

I am very pleased for you that you can lose weight on 2,000 calories a day, I am really pleased for you, but please don't tell others that yours is the only way.

The only thing you can say in all certainty is that 2,000 calories a day works for you.

It wouldn't work for me.

What I ate before I hit menopause kept me at size 12 and 10st 4 lb for many years, but once I hit menopause I could only gain, no matter how hard I tried to lose weight. Even being treated for low thyroid 25 years ago didn't work, I just gained weight.

That may not have been the same for every other woman in the uk at my age, but we are not all the same. I have been eating below 1,000 calories a day for years and I have proved that for some of us at any rate, it is sustainable as long as you eat good food.

Everyone is not the same and I can prove that I am not the same as you as far as metabolism goes, that's all I can say, really.

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If you have a liver condition, there are some special considerations you may need to make in your diet to stay nutritionally well and to help to manage your condition. Some of these are specific to certain liver diseases, others relate to how advanced your liver disease is. We therefore always suggest that people should discuss their specific dietary needs with their own doctors in the first instance. They may in turn refer you on to a hospital registered dietitian for more specific guidance.

Best wishes

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[BrynGlas in reply to Hidden]

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. That is why I stressed that I don't have liver issues as far as I am aware. I can only speak for myself.

[Kristian]

I'm also in the process of trying to lose some weight. Not following any fad diets just making sure I use up in a day more calories than I eat. I have a little app on my phone which will tell you roughly the difference you need between the calories you take in and the calories you use to help achieve whatever target you are aiming for.

I've not weighed myself since I started a couple of weeks ago but people have commented that a look a little thinner. So its possibly working. It's also relatively simple and achievable to follow eating relatively normally. Basically, the main change for me has been really just to cut out most of the sweets and crisps I used to eat on a daily basis. Takes a bit of will power everytime you go in to the garage having filled up with fuel NOT to grab one of the large bags of crisps or a bag of fruit gums, lol. If I want those I'll have to do more exercise, lol. As it is, just the daily walking about seems to be enough in the main for me to hit my targets.

Fingers crossed it keeps going that way and the next time I get weighed at the ozzie the scales wont shout "one at a time please!"

[pip-lit]

I wad just over 20 stone and have lost 5 stone in 18 months. So far the Fat is staying off. I go to Slimming world

[Dogbot]

I’m not going to go on about what diet you follow or if you follow a diet the one thing I have always been told and I have had cirrhosis for nearly 18 years is the one thing you don’t do is starve your liver of food for a length of time my consultant and dieticians were pleased when I said I would have a small biscuit in the middle of the night, so to not eat for a whole day I’m not sure it’s a good idea. But please talk to your consultant and dietician good luck with everything 😃.

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