Interesting article about the skeleton

[HeronNS]

This was posted recently on American Bone Health:

smithsonianmag.com/science-...

[JGBH]

Most informative link. Thank you.

[Bev53-SB]

Very interesting, thank you

[MWZ3]

Wow, that is an amazing read. It validates what many of us have been saying for years that too little has been done to produce safe and effective treatments for osteoporosis. It’s all connected, our gut health is a big example. From that, we could address it ourselves to a degree. We take antibiotics for things like UTIs which we can’t avoid. Very little has been offered by the medical world to date. The drugs are awful. Maybe we attack this naturally. Vitamin K2 has been the biggest idea and now companies are onboard producing these. Maybe the patients lead a march towards natural therapies to protect and mend our bones,

1. Address gut health

What else did others take from this. Number 2 could be?

Many thanks to heronNS!

[HeronNS in reply to MWZ3]

I've been nattering on for years that the general public should get advice about keeping bones healthy just as we are told about risks of smoking, signs of stroke, healthy diet to avoid diabetes or heart attack, avoiding overexposure to sun, in Canada recently warnings about alcohol consumption and risk of cancer.... About the skeleton? Zilch!

[Maxcurl]

Thank you for posting this interesting article.

[walk21]

Thank you for posting that. It looks as if better treatments might come. Wish was younger so I might see them!

[hjskev]

Very interesting article. I've been trying to improve things in my gut for about two years now, following a long course of antibiotics that played havoc with my digestion. I don't know if it has affected my bones or not but I feel much healthier. Hopefully it has. Must do more exercise though. Thanks

[HeronNS in reply to hjskev]

Around the time covid was beginning to make the news but before actual pandemic my husband had one of those serious mystery infections going the rounds (which apparently was not covid because I, as usual, didn't catch it) and had to take one of those really awful antibiotics. We were able to get an interesting probiotic developed locally which is basically a kind of kefir using coconut as the base because the developer can't take dairy. It's so powerful you only take a tablespoon a day, and have to work up to that amount, and it really seemed to work wonders. Until recently we were both taking our daily spoonful, but I have been remiss about stocking up. Don't think it's available outside Canada and the US yet, but although yoghurt is good, basic dairy based kefir has lots more strains of beneficial microbes.

theculturedcoconut.com/

[hjskev]

I make kefir using whole dairy milk. I also make kombucha which is fermented tea. Both are easy and cheap to make and I eat Greek yogurt everyday. I drink the kombucha instead of wine. I've also increased fibre in my diet. I hope its all doing the job.

[CDreamer in reply to hjskev]

Ditto!

[buddy99]

Thanks for sharing this article, HeroNS. This is definitely worth reading more than once.

I think we really have to come off the idea of looking at each part of the human body as separate. It is a living organism where each part supports and communicates with the whole. Just because it is not known how everything is interlinked, does not mean it is not. The more medicine splits into specialties, that don't work together, the worse off we are, in my opinion.

[CloudyD]

Thank you. Such an interesting article. I look forward to reading further studies on this. I wonder if fecal implant will be proposed in future - supposed to be a much better way to reintroduce good bacteria than via the stomach.

[HeronNS in reply to CloudyD]

Not sure I'd go for that unless all my gut bacteria had been done in by one of those heavy duty antibiotics!

[CDreamer in reply to CloudyD]

I don’t think the trials have been as successful as hoped because unless you then eat the right foods to feed the good bacteria and avoid the stuff like sugar that feeds the bad bacteria you are back to square one pretty quick.

I had a poo test which profiled all my gut bacteria and 2 foods came back that did help kill the bad ones - garlic and tannin - I took a tannin supplement for a while and ate lots of garlic and that really improved things. We are what we eat.

[wellness1 in reply to CDreamer]

Good point. There are some products that contain specific strains thought to be helpful for bone health, such as BiomeOsteo and BioGaia with L. reuteri. But as you say, there's debate about how well we can absorb probiotics from supplements. Some emphasise prebiotics like resistant starch. And others talk about getting as wide a variety of fruit and veg, with one source advocating 30 different types per week for a healthy microbiome. I'd never heard about tannins and gut health before. Great you were able to see improvement.

[HeronNS in reply to CDreamer]

Ha! I expect my three mugs of tea a day have plenty of tannin. Should start eating more garlic again. Had to give up a lot of the dishes I added garlic to so obviously need some new recipes.

[wellness1 in reply to HeronNS]

I'm also covered on the tea and coffee front. I eat a lot of garlic, but at one point when I was looking for natural anti-inflammatories, I took a garlic supplement. But yes, food is best. I toss garlic into all sorts of things. As for recipes, I used to make Chicken with 40 Cloves of Garlic.

[HeronNS in reply to wellness1]

Had to read that a couple of times. Forty! There's a recipe using lots of garlic, the name of which I think translates to "the priest fainted" but I don't remember where to find it, or what the garlic was served with. Possibly eggplant? Hmm, must remind hubby of this as he has a fondness for eggplant and cooks it occasionally. Always looking for ways I can escape the kitchen....

[wellness1 in reply to HeronNS]

😂 Hope your husband takes up the suggestion!

[CDreamer]

Thank you so much for posting - fascinating read - especially the gut and microbiome link as I’m deeply into cultured foods. Hope you don’t mind but I’m going to post on the AF forum as I know a few there who also suffer with osteoporosis.

[HeronNS in reply to CDreamer]

By all means - I think the person who originally posted intended as many people as possible to see it.