…would it be fair to say that after the heart attacks, afib, arrhythmia, hypoglycaemic shock, AKI, cardioversions, stents and drugs, and that having had the best treatment the NHS can provide, why do we need to watch the diet?
I mean, all the blocked arteries and fatty deposits have been remedied by the angiograms, stents and bypasses that took decades to form.
That cheese is not going to eat itself is it? It’s calling me.
If I live another 50 years it may become an issue, but, to be fair, that is unlikely.
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Anyone however healthy can have a heart attack or whatever. Your chances of having one - or repeated - is exacerbated by poor diet and lifestyle.
And it probably happens quicker if you help it along.
I found that having cheese - along with the wine and crackers that go with it - after dinner added 800 calories to my intake. I know calorie counting is frowned upon but nevertheless if I consume more calories than I use then I’m going to get fat. Fatter??
I’ve got new pipes after my Nstemi and quadruple bypass (July 2023) aged 61. My consultant surgeon said I had one job to do , keep my new pipes clear. That meant couple of tweaks in my nutrition. I’m on lowest dose of bisoprolol (1.25mg) and ramipiril (half a 1.25mg tablet) 10mg rosuvastatin, 75mg aspirin.
I take onboard the the potential layering effect of diet on building up cholesterol levels, sure that might take some years but my new pipes might not have the same shelf life as my original 61 year old blocked arteries , they may be good 15 years (hopefully 25 if I look after them).
Plenty of other benefits of not over indulging as we age and keep a healthy weight, lower blood pressure , less likely to have pre diabetes , less cancer risk, less stroke risk. Another benefit is feeling pretty fab and grateful for my rebirth. At rehab classes we had a talk from a nutritionist , she said we should limit cheese to 30g portion daily . I did ask if we could save that daily portion up for the weekend … sadly , she didn’t agree to this .
Doesn’t mean I don’t eat cheese or have a steak every now and then , I just don’t have them weekly. I really do make choices around booze and food. I think medication can only do so much , it’s not a cure all. We all have choices , enjoy your cheese.
Yeah, I had a nutritionist after my third HA and the lovely lady gave two sheets of A4 double sided close-printed lists of stuff I couldn’t eat.
Turns out, eating that paper was just about all I had left.
I’m sensible about my diet, not fanatical as I used exercise to compensate for any transgressions, but since the last setback I’ve piled on the weight and the oedema has come back .
Still, I’ve got the cardiologist tomorrow and if he says back to work and build up the exercise gradually, then that’s a plan.
The cheese remains uneaten, but I sense its time won’t be long…
Never heard se exercise to offset nutrition , training is for cardio or strength benefits , nutrition should be dealt with separately. Too many people make the mistake stair of eating back calories they think they’ve burned .
Do you actually have heart disease? We can only guess as your Bio is empty. If you do, then you have obviously not taken anything on board since your diagnosis. Cheese, particularly hard cheese, is not good for people with heart disease. Nearly all of it contains a lot of saturated fat in varying amounts. Sure have it now and again if you must but it is NOT "really good for you" if you have CHD, is it?
Hi - yes I've had 2 heart attacks. And please do some research on cheese and yogurt as the fermentation changes the way that it is metabolised by the body. Saturated fat doesn't go straight from your mouth to your arteries, it is metabolised and it is the body that creates cholesterol. Different types of saturated fat react differently within our physiology. Please research. Cheese actually protects the cardiovascular system. Suggesting it adds to problems is outdated advice.
You do your research! I see your HA's were not connected to CAD? Thanks for the link to the article, but I prefer to take advice from peer-reviewed sources not dubious one-off articles. If you have any proper studies please post a link to them, otherwise as I stated, refrain from promoting cheese as "Good for you" in relation to CHD, as apart from not being true it does not concur with the BHF, amongst many. This is a forum for discussion between members appertaining to their specific problems, very many of which are caused by CHD for which eating cheese is NOT a great idea along with any other foodstuff containing high percentages of saturated fat.
About 10% of heart attacks occur without any permanent cholesterol blockages in the coronary arteries. Myocardial Infarction non obstructive coronary arteries, MINOCA.
I live with vasospastic angina which can lead to a heart attack.
Even though I don't have blocked coronary arteries.
Vasospastic is a type of ischaemic heart disease. Non obstructive coronary artery disease.
I also have to adopt a heart healthy diet and lifestyle.
I am prescribed a statin, to hopefully improve the function of my endothelium by reducing inflammation, stabilise even small areas of plaque and most of all help prevent me from developing obstructive coronary artery disease too.
Having both vasospastic angina and obstructive coronary artery disease isn't great.
I'm well aware of this MF, but the vast majority of HA's are caused by CAD and regularly consuming foodstuffs containing high percentages of saturated fat such as cheese is not "good for you" as the poster has suggested, and seems to wish to defend?
Yes just backs up what I have been saying, it's a foodstuff that you need to treat with a bit of respect. I used to eat tons of the stuff, have spent 5 years eating hardly any, now treat myself now and again, as you say it's a balancing act.
But it's not "good for you"! And should not be promoted as such, on here?
The BHF booklet I got with all the other paperwork after my triple bypass was quite clear. Whatever treatment we have due to issues with cardiac plumbing do not cure us, they treat the symptoms, at best a reset. Although I was wondering recently that, because they use one of my own blood vessels in the graft, doesn't that mean it already has plaque deposits?
We had a talk about diet at the level 3 cardiac rehab I attended and cheese was addressed. Whilst the cardiac nurses emphasized they were not food police and it was up to us what we eat, the recommended amount of cheese is a matchbox-sized piece per week. They didn't specify what sort of matchbox, so if you choose to conclude they meant a cooks matches matchbox.....
Anyway, one bypass op per life is as much as I want to experience, so despite my natural inclinations, I'm endeavoring to be sensible. But I feel your pain 😜
I'd think the blockages "remedied by the angiograms, stents and bypasses" would tend to be where the blockage is 'most serious', i.e. don't we already have other parts of our arteries building up, but not yet deemed enough of an issue to remedy? 🤔
In '50 years time', I'm hoping for mini-bots to go in and clean the arteries - needed well before then though tbh so will keep on the healthy diet... 😁
It's stupid posts like this that put me off this forum, apart from an occasional look. Just stuff your face, sit on the sofa, and have another HA then eh?
Moderation and common sense is what i was told. I wasn't what the cardiologist called an typical person to be seen for a heart attack ( active, excericse, right weight, low cholesterol, healthy diet, decent bp, etc) but it happened.
I do enjoy treats once a week ie pizza, a burger, going out for a meal but the rest ofbthe time I watch what I eat.
I don't want to visit the hospital again with another heart attack , so will do as much as I can to prevent it ( whether it works or not).
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