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I’m fuming !!!!!! I’ve been told numerous times by sone people and lovely people on here that tooth abscesses can possibly affect your heart.

As I do have an abscess as most if you’ve heard me run on about it enough, my dentist said it was to risky for him to use sedation or even just numbing it, referred to hospital, they refused, another specialised dentist, just had a phone call to say they won’t do it either.

I’ve gone back to my dentist to see if he can persuade the hospital to reconsider!!!!

I’ve been in pain since March on and off with antibiotics, earache, jaw ache and really worried that it could cause me more heart problems.

Feel like having a good wobbly chin cry, can I have a hug ???????

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Shoshov profile image
Shoshov

here’s the biggest hug i can muster fluffybee. i really feel

for you. it’s a bloody disgrace. why not try talking your concerns over with your cardiologist. failing that bloody sue the lot of them. hope you get some relief soon❤️shiona

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Fluffybee in reply to Shoshov

Thank you, I cannot get hold of anyone one person to actually speak to to help me, I know so much is happening and feel guilty for complaining about my teeth but so worried for what it may cause being left so long.

Thank you so much for replying, you made me laugh 🤗🤗

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Mutley20

I am so sorry for you. Would your Cardiologist be able to speak to your dentist? It seems incredible in this day and age that you are left in pain.

Wishing you a speedy resolve.

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Fluffybee in reply to Mutley20

I’d love my cardiologist to speak to my dentist or at least the dental department at the hospital to get it sorted. I’d never have thought I’d near enough plead for an extraction.

And thank you 🤗

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Libellula59

Hi Fluffybee,I am in the exact same position as you! Have had my abscess for a year now still no dental treatment! Don't know where to turn, recent (19th November) HA and stent.

Sending hugs

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Fluffybee in reply to Libellula59

Oh my goodness that’s horrific considering what’s just happened !!!!! What on earth can we do, so frustrating, taking pain relief a couple of times a day everyday, don’t need that.

Hope you’re recovering well, take care of yourself, I suppose they won’t even consider sorting your teeth out now or the near future, it’s the throbbing pain on top of what you’ve just had done, bing hugs to you as well 🤗

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MilkfairyHeart Star

BIG HUG Fluffybee

I do not understand why your Dentist is behaving in this way.

I had a tooth removed due to an abcess a few years ago. My dentist used a local anaesthetic without adrenaline.

I didn't need to stop taking my clopidogrel.

He looked up all about vasospastic angina beforehand.

I would write a letter of complaint to your dentist and ask them to put in writing why they are refusing to treat you.

Also contact your local Healthwatch for support.

Here is the link to NHS England giving further advice.

nhs.uk/common-health-questi...

People with a history of endocarditis or who have mechanical valves are at risk of further problems from dental treatment and abscesses and should be offered antibiotics prior to dental treatment.

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Fluffybee in reply to Milkfairy

Thank you as always Milkfairy

I think he just saw the list of meds overall that I take and just backed off.

Thank you for that information and website, checking it out now.

Thank you also for the hug 🤗

I hope you are ok ?

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ChristineK in reply to Milkfairy

Hi Milkfairy,

I have an infection in my wisdom tooth and the antibiotics are not working, so my dentist says the tooth needs to come out.

I am awaiting a call from the cardiologist about coming off the clobidogrel, as I am worried about the bleeding.

Did you contact your cardio before tooth extraction?

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MilkfairyHeart Star in reply to ChristineK

7Hi ChristineK

My dentist did the extraction at the end of the day. It was his decision to do the extraction as my Cardiologist had not responded to my query about clopidogrel.

The tooth needed to be removed promptly as my abcess was causing me alot of pain.

I had to bite hard on a cotton plug for 10 minutes. I was kept on the dental chair for 30 minutes until he was satisfied I was okay and the bleeding had stopped.

I then was allowed up slowly and then taken home by car with aftercare instructions.

I hope you get hold of your Cardiologist soon. It's horrible having tooth ache.

The NHS website has this information which advises that you don't necessarily need to stop taking antiplatelet medications prior to minor surgery including a tooth being removed

nhs.uk/common-health-questi...

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ChristineK in reply to Milkfairy

Hi Milkfairy

Thank you so much for the info, it's very helpful.

I was hoping to drive myself there, but it looks like that's out of the question?

I am still awaiting a call from cardiologist but it might be better to speak to my dentist.

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Rosei in reply to ChristineK

Have just had a tooth removed, an oral surgeon with my practice removed it and put a couple of stitches in, hardly any bleeding and I didn't come off the Clopidogrel. I was most impressed.

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ChristineK in reply to Rosei

Hi Rosel,

Was it a molar that he removed or a front tooth?

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Cockerleekie in reply to Milkfairy

Just a thought are you with a private dental practice. If so you will be insured by the practice for emergency dental treatment world wide,, they should have given you a booklet with the rest of your insurance documentation.fsailing that I personally would go to A &Zendesk booked in telling them all the run-around I had been through, and that I wasn’t going any where until I had been seen and a report made out. then I

R your children)I would mae myself as comfy as possible., given was yoout a blood curdling cry every so often, enough to make the rest of th patience uneasy( sorry if that’s you or your children) I’m pretty sure after about 45minutes of this repetitive sinario they will either, a throw you out of A&E or b, you will have been cured,and on your way home. Ok So it’s a bit but so is thr crap you have had to endure.so far and longer than 45miutes! Fight fire with fire is the only way to get results, normally I just badger them like none stop until they get tired of me an sort me out. Without any in depth replies do you agree ot disagree. I woul feel guilty about putting the health service under extra pressure in a&E, it if needs must.

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MilkfairyHeart Star in reply to Cockerleekie

Hi Cockerleekie is this message for Fluffybee?

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Fluffybee in reply to Cockerleekie

Thank you cockerleekie

I’m NHS, I will ring my dentist today as I still haven’t heard anything.

I’ll try and get a message through to my cardiologist to see if he can help by writing to my dentist, A&E won’t deal with teeth problems unless referred to the dental department, very tempted to take up your advice, I’ll let you know if I get to that point, either escorted out or get something done 🥴

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Fluffybee in reply to Fluffybee

What on earth have I just written, I’m so sorry hope you get the idea anyway, must be my imaginary friend 🥴 cannot think of anything else 🙄 !!

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Platypus6

That’s absolutely disgraceful, try your cardiologist see if he can help take care.

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080311

Hi fluffybeeI can’t believe that they are passing the buck? Someone as got to get the ducks in a row! Try phoning the secretary of the cardiologist you had the phone call with last week, get her to explain to him what as been going on. You need help and he is the guy to put wheels in motion.

Now I am angry for you😩 apart from your heart issues you can’t live on antibiotics and having pain all the time. As you know I have a tissue valve, and have been told to watch the plaque on my teeth. Not good.

Thinking of you and sending you a big hug Pauline

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Libellula59

Thank you, yes - I can't help wondering if it was a contributing factor, but no one able or willing to say... As you say not what we need on top of everything! Hope you have some luck getting yours sorted out very soon

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MichaelJHHeart Star

I rarely suggest this as I prefer to resolve issues with the person concerned but I would suggest you contact PALS at the hospital concerned.

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gilreid1

🤗🤗🤗

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Fluffybee in reply to gilreid1

Oooh 3 hugs that’s wonderful thank you 😊

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Sunshinebrew

I agree with what’s already been said so have no advice just the hug 🤗 Hope you get it sorted

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Fluffybee in reply to Sunshinebrew

Thank you and for the hug, much appreciated 🤗

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Meatless

Fluffybee this is an awful situation!!! I wonder if there would be anything to be gained by contacting your local MP as I know where I live this can get things moving in cases where other approach’s have failed to work! Just a thought. Really feel for you as the constant nagging pain is so debilitating never mind all the other heart issues to handle...🙈. Take care big hug😕

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Fluffybee in reply to Meatless

Thank you, that’s an idea, I may wait and see what the dentist says first, Also going to ring my cardiologist secretary so he knows what’s happening.

Someone must be able to help. Thank you for the hug 🤗

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jmpond90gmailcom

Sending hugs. Sorry I havent sent one earlier but been too busy working on my first day back at work after 4 months of recovery!

Hope you get sorted. If not, just have another walnut whip🤷‍♂️

Jim♥️

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Fluffybee in reply to jmpond90gmailcom

Thank you, you’re doing really well, how did your first day go.

Thank you 😊

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jmpond90gmailcom in reply to Fluffybee

I'm absolutely knackered!!😴

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Fluffybee in reply to jmpond90gmailcom

I bet you are, it’s going to take time to get strength and stamina back, maybe a walnut whip to give you some energy 🤭🤭

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jmpond90gmailcom in reply to Fluffybee

🤣🤣🤣🤦‍♂️

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Fluffybee in reply to jmpond90gmailcom

Don’t tempt me with another walnut whip, I do clean my teeth twice a day and water floss but cannot help but think walnut whips may haven’t helped 🥴

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jmpond90gmailcom in reply to Fluffybee

It's possible they may not help ....I heard a walnut whip a day keeps the doctor away though so you should be ok😬

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Fluffybee in reply to jmpond90gmailcom

🤭🤭🤭🤭

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Smileyian

Surely there must be a way forward in a case such as yours Fluffybee. It seems an extraordinary added stress for you. Mega hug from me.

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Fluffybee in reply to Smileyian

Thank you Smileyman, it is a bit, sounds like a few people have had similar problems 🤗

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Flowerfanatic

Oh Fluffybee am so very sorry and you have every right to be extremely angry and upset. It is a complete disgrace they cannot treat you. Is there any way you can talk with your cardiologist? Sending a virtual 🤗 hug your way.

Sarah x

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Fluffybee in reply to Flowerfanatic

Thank you, I couldn’t believe each one had said they won’t do it, they must have their reasons, I suppose I do understand as if something does happen to go wrong they can get in trouble the way things are more now.

I even said I’d sign something to acknowledge there could be an issue, wouldn’t do it.

Hug really appreciated 🤗

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Sunnie2day

(((HUG)))

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Fluffybee in reply to Sunnie2day

Thank you 🤗

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SpiritoftheFloyd

Oh God, they're still sending you around in circles! I really hope you can get this sorted as soon as possible. I had an abscess a few years ago and my dentist gave my a course of penicillin, which worked initially, but then the pain came back - dentist offered more penicillin but said it was likely to return, so had the tooth extracted on the spot.Sending virtual hug 🤗

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Fluffybee in reply to SpiritoftheFloyd

Thank you, I’ve been given several lots of antibiotics only for it to come back with a vengeance, 🤗

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Janma123

Yes ... a great big bear hug and a shoulder to cry on too.The whole situation is crazy at the moment and people who need treatment seem to have been forgotten.

Jane

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Fluffybee in reply to Janma123

Thank you, could do with a great big bear hug sounds wonderful 🤗🤗

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stillaboveground

Hi Fluffybee, Lots and lots of hugs for you. I think the abscess could cause you more problems especially if it bursts than just getting the tooth out, being in pain isn't good for anybody, shout at them all tell them you are going to sit in the waiting room till they sort it, have a sit in take a flask and a sandwich. Good luck. Ruth x

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Fluffybee in reply to stillaboveground

😂😂😂 I did day I’d stand in the middle of their waiting room crying loudly until I got my tooth sorted, she laughed, I said I meant it 😳😳😳 great minds think alike 🤭🤭🤭 thanks for lovely hugs 🤗

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Magicfairy

Oh Fluffybee I am spitting feathers reading this, you poor thing 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗, I had trouble early in the year with this, the GP and the Dentist not wanting to give me antibiotics, they both said it was the other ones responsibility, I felt like I was a liability, I told them to speak to each other because I was getting so stressed it was making me unwell, they sorted it out in a couple of days, really hoping they help you 🙏 ❤️ xxx

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Stuart2441

From me who is petrified of dentists but certainly have experience of abscess pain and toothache I really do feel for you and hope it's sorted soon. But on a lighter note, if an extraction is needed don't be in a hurry to put it under your pillow..... the tooth fairy may be in self isolation 😂😂 sorry, couldn't resist a little humour. Take care now.

Sending big virtual hugs 🤗

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winabago

I am sorry for your current pain with your teeth. Yes if your teeth are not cleaned properly every day and if you do not use pressurized water for cleaning, you will be open for major heart problems. My wife was a doughtier of a dentist she is also a nurse, retired, she knows her stuff.

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EmmyLaury12

Oh my goodness fluffybee!!

Sending you a big hug 🤗 xx

How awful to be in pain forso

Long !!! And to be fobbed off by dentist / hospital don’t know what to suggest ???

Could you try and contact your cardiologist via secretary to explain situation?

Really hope you get it sorted .

I have to go to dentist soon may experience same problem xx

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jouninab

Sending you warm big bear hugs. Hang in there. This will pass. 🙏🏼💐

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Fluffybee in reply to jouninab

Thank you so much, it will pass just need to get it sorted, I’ve got a list of jobs to go through today to talk very politely to people 🤞🏻🤗

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Sprit

I do feel for you. Is there an emergency dental department in one of your local hospitals? Ring 111 and they can arrange the appointment for you. Take care 🤗

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Fluffybee in reply to Sprit

Thank you, I’m seeing where I get today 🤗

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VelvetSky

So sorry for you Fluffybee, I had an abscess and then had a dry socket, so painfull and I think it contributed to my HA. Make as much fuss with as many as possible, you can’t go on like this. Sending you a gigantic Hug.

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Fluffybee in reply to VelvetSky

That’s terrible, are you ok now ??

Thank you, that’s why I’m so worried, stressed and angry and I’m not an angry person at all, knock on effect mite chest pain 🙄 I’m going to take all the advice I’ve been given and go for it at every angle, it’s bad as it was classed as urgent weeks ago !!!!!!! 🤗

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VelvetSky in reply to Fluffybee

Hi Fluffybee, I suddenly remember some stuff the chemist gave me, Orajel Extra Strength, rapid relief of acute toothache. It cost about £5 but it does work as it's 20% Benzocaine, you just rub it in but mind you don't get it on your tongue as it totally numbs everything. It's certainly not a cure but it helps, do buy some.My dentist said let's just cope with one thing at a time, get the tooth out and then if you bleed excessively we'll cope with that next. Are you private or NHS, wonder if that makes difference?

Another big hug!

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Trishe

BIG hugs sent 🤗🤗🤗🤗 hope its resolved soon for you Fliluffybee xxx

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Fluffybee in reply to Trishe

Thank you love a big hug always seems to make things a little better. Even though they’re virtual it’s still lovely 🤗

Mentdent profile image
Mentdent

I am a dentist. The relationship between dental infections and bacterial endocarditis was theoretical and based on a idea from the 1950sand 60s. It has, of recent years, been discredited as has the use of prophylactic antibiotics.It does appear that many cardiologists haven’t kept up with current guidelines re. dental treatment and heart disease. Nice guidelines are quite clear on this matter.

It is extremely unlikely that a dental abscess will cause heart problems in the short term though many people still think it can.

There is a saying that it takes a few months to get something into a text book and 30 years to get it out again.

I am however at a loss to understand why it can’t be treated at your own dentist with local anaesthetic.

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Fluffybee in reply to Mentdent

Thank you so much for replying, it’s certainly taken the stress out of aggravating my heart condition I’ve already got.

I asked my dentist again yesterday if he’d do it with local numbing but still said he wouldn’t take the risk saying he won’t risk my life !!!!!!!

The ongoing ache and throbbing is really taking it out of me along Roth all the other things going on, I’ve had a few sessions of antibiotics, calms down the back again a bit later but still in pain but much better until it builds up again.

I’m going to see how today goes if not I don’t know what to do, am I that much of a problem to fort out ?

That’s the reason why the hospital refused to do it because they think my own dentist could do it. What a mess.

Pop round anytime with your professional equipment to fort me out, failing that a hammer 🥴

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Mentdent in reply to Fluffybee

I’d try and find another dentist. I’ve spent 40 years in general practice and your dentist’s excuse sounds very iffy to me.

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Fluffybee in reply to Mentdent

Thank you, I think as he mentioned I could lose my life or he could be struck off worried me now, but you’ve given me more confidence in getting more knowledge on the subject 🤗

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Mentdent in reply to Fluffybee

Sounds like he’s more concerned about himself than your dental care.

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Snowdrops_17 in reply to Mentdent

I don't have an abcess, but had a heart attack 2019! Really thank you for your explanation here! If I would have that kind of problem then I really hope my dentist here wouldn't refuse treating me! Thank you for this insight! 🙏🎅🎄

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DAVEEJG

Get your cardiac Consultant to write a letter firmly ‘requesting’ that you be treated ASAP. Mine did when I was getting frequent infections with wisdom teeth. Had 2 removed on two different occasions at hospital. Yes you are correct in that any infections, especially tooth infections can exacerbate existing heart problems. Hope you get it sorted.

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Wooodsie

Gosh, I'm the same!! I swear the tooth pain is worse than the op. BUT, I have been brushing with cordosyl dental gel ww1% morning and night and this has managed the pain, albeit not perfect. I have already lost 2 teeth and don't want to lose any more 🤷‍♂️ You can order the cordosyl online, it's about £4.50

I wonder if it is a side affect, not of the medication, but heart disease in general?

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Fluffybee in reply to Wooodsie

I’m use that mouthwash holding it on the area for a bit as well.

I do put a bit of mouthwash in the water flosser as well. Maybe answers today 🤞🏻

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Wooodsie in reply to Fluffybee

No, you can get a gel, like toothpaste. They gave all the patients some before their heart operation, along with the hibiscrub for the skin.

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ronnyharry

It can happen. Maybe it happened to me 50 years ago. 11 years ago I found out I have aortic stenosis, now it is critical. I hoped for a min invasive valve replacement. A few days ago I had an angiogram that showed 2 or 3 coronary arteries are occluded so I need oh surgery urgently, throughout he period I have been asymptomatic exercising every day with no breathlessness. I feel very depressed and guilty for allowing this to happen, I am so concerned that I may die and my wife il be left on her own.

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Astronomyrules in reply to ronnyharry

Please try not to feel depressed or guilty. 17 years ago my feelings were similar needing stenting and then OHS bypass and desparate about how my family would cope if I was no longer here. I didn't realise how much my condition affected my life until I recovered from the op. Maybe it will be like that for you too, even though you say you were asymptomatic. The op is now routine and I assume they'll fix everything at once. After that its just onwards and upwards. Hope you get the op very soon.

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ronnyharry in reply to Astronomyrules

Thank you so much, you are well now I hope?

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Astronomyrules in reply to ronnyharry

Thank you for your query. I've been good in the interim years, but now waiting for an arotic valve replacement, which was mild at the time and now showing severe stenosis. Luckily no repeat OHS, but keyhole instead. I'll say no more as this is Fluffybee's stream, but you will always be supported by all the hearties on this forum. Good luck.

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ronnyharry in reply to Astronomyrules

Good luck and thanks

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MissisF

Hi. My husband has just had 3 extractions at the dental hospital ( I was angry but that’s another reason/story😉) . He’s on clopidogrel, eplerenone, rosuvastatin, bisoprolol, enalapril & lansoprozole & has multiple health problems. Perhaps you can phone the nearest university teaching hospital nearest to you and ask what you can do? Your dentist should be able to refer you & they’ll definitely take the tooth out. Or..ring your hospital PALS service and suggest you are going to sue & see if they can advise. It is scandalous. Big hugs. 😘

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ronnyharry

In half an hour I go to the dentist to check my teeth pre op, so it is vital to keep teeth in a1 condition, good luck and try not to worry.

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Pitt12345

Wasn’t aware of issues with abscesses. My husband went to dentist in pain two weeks ago he xrayed it and there was an abscess on root. He injected him and removed it straight away. He rang him that same afternoon to check on bleeding. He did have to go back after a few days and get antibiotics as there was ‘probably’ an infection (different dentist) . He had little blood yesterday when he got sone apple stuck in it so not completely healed yet but no pain.

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GracieOS

So sorry you are having to go through this. I had a similar experience when I was being refused treatment for my arthritis, due to covid restrictions. I was in significant pain then.

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LBCdance

I had a tooth removed in May this year, shortly after having had a TAVI. M y dentist knew exactly what medication I was on - he is always meticulous - and I just had a local painkkiller for the procedure. The surgery even phoned me the next day to find out how I was. Apart from the awful pain you must be in I thought it wasn't good for anyone to be on antibiotics for too long otherwise you can become immune, apart from having a permanent and treatable infection which isn't good for anyone. Can't your GP intervene? (I know - I'm often banging my head against a brick wall too! ) but this is clearly neglect. The suggestion about contacting PALS is worth thinking about but I know how mentally exhausting it is to have to keep jumping through one hoop of another, but this isn't going to go away. Good luck

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Thanksnhs

Morning that sounds absolutely horrendous I cannot believe they have left you like this for so long, my heart hospital has its own dentist attached to it, she removed some of my teeth before I was allowed on the transplant list, local anisthetic, not because there was anything wrong with them but she said the ancient fillings could cause infection! I would have thought your own dentist would have helped recommend someone attached to a cardiac unit to help, I really hope you get help with this soon, its down right cruel to leave you like this for so long, take care and big hugs char xx

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Fluffybee in reply to Thanksnhs

Thank you, I’ve heard of dentists giving antibiotics before having teeth removed etc.

He did refer me to the hospital first but they refused hence the run around and 2 dental surgeries declining to treat me 😡 🤗

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Thanksnhs in reply to Fluffybee

I didn't get antibiotics although I have heard some people do, not sure why that is, I really hope you get it sorted soon, keep us posted, take care char x

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Babsben

Hi, sending hugs fluffy bee.

I too need to have ve a tooth out which has a curved root its been over a year waiting due to covid then being diagnosed with HA. My cardiologist thinks mines from a viral infection I have thought did the abscess have anything to do with my heart.

I'm due to have it out at the hospital on Wednesday I've spoke to my doctor and he has prescribed me diazepam. I have an appt with cardiologist today this is a question I was going ask him. Where's their duty of care to you as their patient!. Xx

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Fluffybee in reply to Babsben

I’ve been promised a phone call from my cardiologist in ‘a few days’ with my MRI perfusion scan, not holding my breath but if I do I’ll ask him what to do and write to whoever to get me sorted,

I hope you’re feeling better now pleased it’s all fine for you, year is a long time but things aren’t the norm at the moment are they.

Thanks for the hug 🤗

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istimewa

Dear Fluffybee - I am thinking of you today as you make further attempts to progress this dental abscess problem with these healthcare people. Sending you strength, patience and tenacity to help you today. Be persistent, and someone will eventually give in to your plea. Wear them down, get what you need. You are justified to pressure for proper treatment for this abscess. Don't doubt it for a moment, even though they will make you unsure. xxx

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R3mi

Hi FluffybeeHere is biggest hug ever. I will not make comment about your dentist or your doctors but surely you have a right to know what the alternative method of treatment is and why they cannot treat you. Not just saying it’s your heart. Go back to them and ask them what is the alternative. I don’t think they are genuinely not interested in helping to cure your tooth ache but you are entitled to get an answer somebody would have an alternative way to treat your problem. Let me know how you get on.

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Fluffybee in reply to R3mi

Thank you so much, it just seems I’m being referred from one dentist to the hospital back to a dentist all saying no !!!!!! So each time that’s being done more time is wasted getting an answer, like yesterday, the dental practice who declined to do it said it would take around 2 weeks for my dentist to hear from them. So I rang my dentist to tell them the news to push things on a little, bit have a feeling he may want to wait for the letter before doing anything.

Thanks again, I’ll let you know how it goes 🤗

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R3mi in reply to Fluffybee

Hi fluffybeeJust thought of something that might get the ball rolling if you have gone through all the normal process. If you are dealing with the hospital the best way to get a response is via PALs they have one in most hospitals and are a service to assist patients with issues they have. They are very effective in getting things done and questions answered. Ring the reception or go on line the info will be on the website. I have used them got a reply back in an hour. It can also be the first stage in complaints procedures. Let me know how you got on.

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MountainGoat52

Oh dear. I really cannot believe that this is still ongoing. I had two wisdom teeth extracted and some other dental work carried out a few months after my HA / stents while I was on Prasugrel. My dentist didn't hesitate to carry out the work. In fact there was very little bleeding. I just wonder whether the dental profession has got all twitchy since the appearance of Covid.

More big hugs coming your way. 😀

Gerald

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Fluffybee in reply to MountainGoat52

I think you maybe right, I think the way things are if something were to go wrong they’d be in trouble, my dentist quoted me !!!!! So felt bad then thank you for the hugs very much appreciated 🤗

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MountainGoat52 in reply to Fluffybee

I would say that my dentist is private, not NHS, but he would still have been liable had there been any problem. Dentists carry indemnity insurance, but obviously do not want to rely on it! I had one tooth extracted at a time with a couple of weeks between appointments.

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BritTania

Oh I do sympathise with you!!! Toothache is pure torture! This reminds me so much of my days at University. While studying a BSc degree I chose this very subject for my presentation. After I’d worked on placement on a Cardiac ward. I met a woman there who was around 35 and was having to eat through a straw after they removed almost all of her teeth. She was in there because the infection from the abscesses in her jaw (she had poor dental hygiene) had entered her bloodstream and migrated to the lining around the heart. It also attacked her valves. She was a very poorly person and her body had been decimated by the tooth infection. As horrendous this is got you being denied hospital resolution there are two things to keep in mind: dental treatments are usually never carried out with any infection in situ - my son was refused treatment last month fir the same reason and he has no heart issues. Also, the NHS resources are being all channeled towards the coping with pandemic and urgent cases. The NHS is having to choose the cases that warrant resources. My BIL had a stent put in before Covid arrived and had it in 3 months instead of the 6 weeks. They told him that he wasn’t categorised as a priority. He was like you, fluctuating between being fine or rolling in pain when his kidney stone moved. Try not to be angry. I’m sure they’d whip you in as soon as possible, but again they won’t until your infection is under control. What coping things are you trying? Have you tried my favourite of a wet face cloth (hot water but not boil!) inside a plastic sandwich bag and applied to the jaw area? I used it at night and sandwiched it between my cheek and pillow. It relaxed my jaw as I hadn’t realised how I was causing more pain by tensing my jaw at the time. I found it a huge comfort with pain relief. I’m sending you hugs and strength- you got this! You can do it!

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Outandabout

Sorry to hear about all this, you must be absolutely devastated. Can you try the British Dental Association or whatever it's called nowadays for current guidelines or help, then print or email for the dentist? Sounds like he is in need of some updating and perhaps there is a dentistry ombudsman. I think I might get to another dentist who is not so risk averse or pay privately which seems to work.

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Outandabout

🤞

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Tessie28

sending a big Tuesday hug. How about getting on to your consultant's/heart surgeons secretary and working at it that way? Email them until they do something. xxx

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Outandabout

Sorry, also the GDC - general dental council, they might give you some help. Big hugs.

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mrpenguin

I went to the dentist in 2017 with an abscess in a broken rear molar, I was having lots of other health issues at the time being newly diag'd with IBD. They took a look & said they weren't going to treat it till I had my "severe gum disease" under control. It wasn't gum disease, it was crohn's disease symptoms in my mouth. I left & set about getting it under control myself, 4 years on I still have the tooth, it's exposed but it causes no issues, only if I consume sugary foods it can upset it. I was considering getting it taken out but then covid happened. I hope you manage to find a solution soon!

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TMeditation

I had my aortic valve replaced last year and my surgeon was quite explicit that I should take care with dental problems as infections can affect the valve. I’ve been having root canal treatment for an infected tooth over the last couple of months (and on a course of antibiotics) but in the end I opted for an extraction as they were having difficulty getting the infection under control and both myself and my dentist has concerns over my heart. I realise this isn’t always possible, considering the location of the tooth, but it was the quickest way to peace of mind for me. I think you’re right to be concerned but you sound like you’re on it - so best of luck with getting it sorted. Apart from anything else dental pain is a dreadful thing to endure - worse than open heart surgery 🙂. X

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Ilovebunnies

Hi Fluffybee, sorry to hear about all the palaver you've been having, might be worth contacting your local newspaper - everyone concerned would hate to have all your problems (probably) on the front page!! Worth a try if you still get no luck.Have you tried any other dentists? Mine is a dental surgeon & she is quite happy to extract a tooth if necessary (I am on 24hr oxygen, had 9 respiratory arrests & 1 cardiac arrest & various other health issues). I am also on clopidogrel - she suggests stopping for 7 days before any procedure.

Sending you a big

🐰 🐶😚 fluffy hug. & if all else fails 🔨🔨 - knock some sense into them 🎅🎄🎁 hoping you get an early Christmas present & get it sorted.

Lots of warm, fluffy hugs, Chris

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einhorn

whereabouts in the country are you. I have used Wessex Dental Practice in Fareham for the more specialist stuff, absolutely brilliant, would thoroughly recommend

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Purplecross

Hi I’m so sorry his is mental torture something out of the dark ages. I use a private dentist who now has a doctors degree. They have a list of medications patients take which is always updated . I’m lucky that my dentists father had same heart surgery as me . Before any treatment I have be their an hour earlier to take antibiotics and only go once a year so a don’t take too much antibiotics. I would the money and go private would have goon insane by now. Good luck hugs

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Trog1

Hi fluffy bee - so sorry to hear about your problems. Must say It’s disgusting that in this day and age the cardiologist and dentist can’t at least get their secretary or PA to email to negotiate a way to be able to treat you can sorted. I know these are unprecedented times but that doesn’t mean anyone in should be overlooked or neglected. Must admit though that even though I don’t like causing a stir normally, I love bunnies has a point - they wouldn’t like to be the subject of local media publicity. After all, when the pandemic is over, they will still have their reputation to consider. Hoping you soon get sorted and I wish you all the best. Sending a huge virtual hug.

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srhmdd2

I’m so sorry to hear this. I had a rotten cracked tooth that was leading to an abscess a few weeks ago, My dentist fitted me in as an emergency to fix. He advised removing the tooth. I emailed my cardiologist who approved dentist treatment - only because I am stable on meds - for the first year and a half he didn’t approve dentist treatment. Then my dentist contacted my cardiologist direct via email and they agreed the correct level of anaesthetic,

I have to say I was terrified about having treatment because I had read things about infections and the heart. But it was perfectly ok - I did not feel a thing - and everything is healing well. I didn’t have any antibiotics either afterwards as not needed as the infection was inside the tooth.

I hope that helps a little x I know the whole process is so scary x

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mrnkar

Hugs sent and hopefully things will get sorted as well. I don't have heart problems but a real fear of dentists. I had a tooth abscess and I sorted out myself and have never had any more problems.

If you have any tee tree oil, wet a cotton bud and then pour 1 drop of the tea tree oil on it. Rub it all around your gum and tooth. Try not to swallow it. It tastes awful but it works and other people I know have done it as well and where presently surprised.

Tee tree oil is a natural antiseptic and antibacterial.

Nothing to lose by trying it and may help ease your pain until you can get sorted

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Fluffybee in reply to mrnkar

Thank you for your tip, amazing you sorted it yourself, I thought you were going to say you took it out your self 🤭🤭🤗

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Boharford

Write to to your MP and copy it to the Exec and chair of you local governing board

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Handel

I can't believe what I'm reading!!! How dare they just ignore such a massive problem.Looking at the responses, you've had such a lot of good advice. I can't add much more.

Sending lots of virtual hugs. xxxxx

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Qualipop

Absolutely no reason to refuse. Just this week, a friend in his 80s with many years of heart problems and awaiting a pacemaker had a wisdom tooth removed after a week on antibiotics for an abscess by his usual dentist. After the extraction, as the dentist raised the chair, the friend fainted but was simply lowered down again, given a glucose drink and had to wait for 30 minutes before going home. He had been advised not to drive himself but all he had to do was stop his aspirin for 24 hours before the extraction. The dentist was fully aware of his heart problems and was prepared for any possible problems.

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Stuart2441

Not advertising any pharmacy and ask for 'Oralgel'. It's for toothache/gum pain and it actually numbs the area a little like a dentist injection. It comes in a tiny tub similar in size to an eye drop tub. Just rub a tiny bit on the area. If I recall, you can use it 5 times a day. Excellent stuff and may help but read any medical note with it first.

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Fluffybee in reply to Stuart2441

Thank you I’ll try that, I thought it was me with my medical history was causing this but by what everyone is saying there should be no problem taking into account precautions beforehand 🙄

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Surreychica_1

Oh my goodness I feel for you I really do. I had to have a tooth out. The local clinic's dentist (National Health) wouldn't take it out so I went private. One dentist said no but the other said yes and told me that he had done loads with people on anticoagulants and heart problems. He gave me a local injection and all was well. The tooth was out in about 5 minutes flat. Such a relief as there wasnt much left of it and it hurt like hell. Can you find another dentist. . So went private. Best thing I ever did. I am sending you a virtual hug.

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TooMuchCoffee

HUG sent. That's ridiculous. I had to fight to get my abscess seen to, but they did it. (just after lockdown ended the first time.) I did had to go on about it possibly affecting my heart. Why is it suddenly so risky to treat? Even with all the meds, I had to get a tooth removed to sort it and was okay afterwards. I feel for you. Keep fighting.

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Goldfish7

I was in the same boat with a shattered tooth with L shaped root and constant infection for over a year. At the time I was diagnosed with rapid PAF and minor heart attack. I didnt get treatment in hospital until the cardiologist who had had no contact with me durung the heart attack/R PAF incident decided to say I hadnt had a heart attack contradicting several of his collegues as well as a specialist from a tertiary hospital (made me look like a lying malingerer to my employers as well!!!). Try PALs NHS complaints service and push it with your GP. Best of luck.

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1AnneMcC

Poor you. all the teeth I have lost over the years have been through abcesses so I know how bloody painful they are. My question, how come the antibiotics haven't worked? My dentist prescribed ABs until the swelling had reduced before he would remove. Could that be a way forward?

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funnyfennel

Sending you a big hug. I had most of my teeth out in my 40's because of recurrent abscesses and realise how painful they are. Now having a new denture fitted pre valve op and its causing so many problems.....adds to the stress of it all.Many strong ,supportive thoughts to you x

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Astronomyrules

Hi Fluffybee, so sorry to hear that this is still ongoing. Lots of big hugs and hope that your torment ends soon.

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FeetheBookworm

I feel your pain. I had to have a tooth extracted between Christmas and New Year last yr and while the extraction was fine when the anaesthetic wore off I fell asleep and woke up screaming in pain. Took paracetamol which did nothing. My husband phoned the out of hours people and they told me to take Ibuprofen as well until the intense pain had worn off.

A friend of mine actually extracted their own tooth with pliers because he was in so much pain with an abscess ...😠😭. Not that I would recommend that. Fiona

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SamLab

My hubby had a heart attack in February last year, he had also been having treatment for an abcess which he had been having treatment for over a couple of months before the heart attack. He was admitted for the heart attack and had stents fitted still suffering agonising pain from the tooth, on discharge the dentist wouldn't treat him because he had by then been put on blood thinners and he said there was too much risk doing the treatment at the dentist surgery. Fortunately (in a way!) he ended up back in hospital a few days later with more chest pains and was kept in for four more days and another angiogram, I knew he was in agony and that this was affecting his recovery from the HA so started ringing the dental department in the hospital, who said if I managed to get the ward to agree they would send someone along to see him, discussion with sister on ward, and with hubby to tell the doctor on his ward round which was ongoing at the time, I managed to get the sister on the ward to contact the dental department who came up to see him. Following on from that he was treated as an inpatient and had the offending tooth removed before discharge the following day, if they had discharged him before the tooth was extracted he might have ended up in the same position as you find yourself in.

Have you been in touch with the complaints department in the hospital,( PALS) could they do something to help, also as others have suggested the secretary of your cardiologist might be able to help I know my renal department secretary has helped me during the pandemic with queries by phone. Have you tried to ring the dental department direct yourself sometimes they can give you a way of getting it done through the official channels as they did with my hubby, the dental department had to have a letter to do the referral to them from the ward and then had to have permission from his cardiologist to do the extraction. I'm really not sure we would have got anywhere if we hadn't taken the bull by the horns and taken control! Forgive me if any if this has already been suggested but am sending big hugs and hopes that you do manage to get something done for you're abcess!

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Rosei

Sorry fluffy bee, it was a molar

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Cockerleekie

Well that commenting the prognosis of cop is would havEfilled her with confidence and relaxed her quite a bit

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Mickymoo

I was in same situation last autumn. I needed a heart mri but my dentist had said when drilling a previous tooth, a small piece of metal broke too far down my gum to be removed. Was all set for my mri and told my cardiologist. He said i had to ask the dentist which type of metal it was. He wouldn't tell me! My cardiologist wrote to him and had no reply. We were both so annoyed as people here know how long it takes to get an appointment for an mri. Eventually the cardiologist rang the dentist himself and was told. It turned out the type of metal was compatible with mri machine. Why not just say that in 1st place and save weeks of pesteting him!! X

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