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Obesity Epidemic

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star

It is interesting that BJ now wants to tackle the obesity epidemic following his recent spell on hospital. Obesity is a risk factor with CovID and, of course, heart disease.

Do you think the government can actually make any progress? I must admit I am dubious.

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It's a shame you spoil a good question by politicising the 1st part of it, maybe remove the dig at Boris to make it more valid.

Gaz

Ha come on, have a laugh. Let's face it he could loose some weight... but me too.

Bummer....put on 4 kg.....need to get rid of that 😁🤣💃🕺🚴‍♂️🏋️‍♀️🤾‍♂️🤾‍♀️

😂 😂

Gaz_chops
Gaz_chops
in reply to Gaz_chops

Thanks

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Gaz_chops

Have done so and trust you are happy now. Mentioning a government incentive is not politicising it. Here's a link :

independent.co.uk/news/uk/p...

Gaz_chops
Gaz_chops
in reply to MichaelJH

Wasn't what you said exactly, more the way you said it. Especially having seen other posts.

But thank you, it reads better now imo.

I didn't see the OP as being a dig at the PM. The edit is good but the first, original bit didn't make me think Michael was having a pop at Boris.

Ha well! We are all having days were we get fed up, especially now with movement restrictions in a way. Cant see family, precautions because of this Pandemic. Sometimes I wished I were a Pensioner, instead of 63 years old....

But despite some health issues I am lucky really.

Cheered myself up with

**Mr Motivator on YouTube** earlier.

I need to get moving again! Anyway ladies and gents, time for my late lunch! God bless guys 🥰

I have been enjoying Mr Motivator on BBC1 each weekday morning. Sadly programme - Health Unlocked - has finished now so must move to YouTube. He makes exercise such fun.

Kimkat
Kimkat
in reply to Snowdrops_17

Just interested to know why you wished you were a pensioner snowdrops?

Snowdrops_17
Snowdrops_17
in reply to Kimkat

Well wouldn't have to worry about work any more 😁 and mind my own business! It's all the legal precautions we end up following when we return to work. Secondly I am more vulnerable because of my 2 existing health problems!!!

Kimkat
Kimkat
in reply to Snowdrops_17

Trust me, retirement can be pretty boring at times 😄

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Kimkat
Kimkat
in reply to Hidden

Aw don’t say that, you never know what’s around the corner but try to be positive 🙂

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Kimkat
Kimkat
in reply to Hidden

This is true, I am just about to get my first pension payment this month 🎉 I’ll be 66 in July

TRST
TRST
in reply to Kimkat

Cause for celebration. Some payback after all those years of graft 🥂

Kimkat
Kimkat
in reply to TRST

Yes, even if it is six years later than expected lol

TRST
TRST
in reply to Kimkat

Yes I know that is all so very unfair.

Heythrop51
Heythrop51
in reply to TRST

Equalising the retirement age was fair. However, raising it over 65 is not a good move. Ageism is rife and many development health issues.

I had an agreement with the Government that I would pay taxes, and retire at 65, then they unilaterally changed it to 67. Now I know my place.

TRST
TRST
in reply to Heythrop51

Giving ladies 2/3 years notice of delaying pension by 6 years was definitely unfair. The rules themselves stated that 10 years notice should be given of pension date alterations.

Snowdrops_17
Snowdrops_17
in reply to Kimkat

Don't think so, as most are busier in retirement.... I must dash......🤣😆😂

Kimkat
Kimkat
in reply to Snowdrops_17

Yes I agree there’s always something to do however I missed the interaction with work mates and our returning guests (we had a guesthouse) and I first I felt a bit lost but it’s important to keep yourself occupied

COYW
COYW
in reply to MichaelJH

I've got no problem with 'politics'. Obesity is definitely a political issue since food companies have been allowed to sell us lies throughout successive governments in the UK. Politics is about real lives and Johnson makes decisions that affect those lives.

isobelhannah18
isobelhannah18
in reply to COYW

Well said

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StillConcerned
StillConcerned
in reply to Hidden

I appreciate that tunybgur, I'm basically bemused that people were up in arms when I suggested that the Eatwell Guide was not how God designed us to eat, yet as you say they are free to express such political dissent?

COYW
COYW
in reply to Hidden

Heart disease is a political issue. There’s no doubt about that. Check out who suffers most 😀

Snowdrops_17
Snowdrops_17
in reply to COYW

Just checked that COYW.

Yes and it will be more on the rise especially for COVID-19 patients who recovered. Blood is more sticky and blood clots have formed. If you had the virus you are more in danger of strokes and heart disease or heart attacks....

So glad that I fairly isolated myself and cautious when I go shopping when less busy. I am very blessed to live in a less populated area here in the Harrogate district. We are okay here in Ripon. But I am cautious all of the time!!!

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COYW
COYW
in reply to Hidden

I totally understand what you are saying. But unfortunately the clinical is also political depending on where you live.... BUT I'll shut up now and take your advice because if you are right then I'll get banned and that will send my heart rate sky high and I'll then be on ANOTHER drug :-) Thanks for engaging :-)

Snowdrops_17
Snowdrops_17
in reply to Hidden

Politics has affected a lot of us more than others, lockdown, shielding....so haven't got problems with that. Problem is you making an issue out of this. Please relax!!!!

As it's getting me stressed, SERIOUSLY!!!!!! ⚠️

Politics affects our daily lives!

And it will affect even more of our lives in the future, especially for travelling or flying internationally.

I have family in Germany an 88 year old Dad, 2 brothers and a sister.

My plans are so thwarted this year again. 14 days Quarantine, after I come back from Germany??? How on earth is that going to work with my work place...... stop living in cloud Kuckuck Man.... !

Can't read any more. This is getting me to blooming stressed. Don't answer either please!!!!!!

Sorry if I've upset you, I was replying to COYW, I've deleted all my posts.

Bit late for that MichaelJH haha, locked away in a cupboard it feels and someone threw away the key hahahaha 🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂

Dubious here too. Is he moving on from the pandemic, or seeing it as an adjunct?

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to TRST

I've been thinking about that - at this point I'm thinking he's seeing a second, more deadly wave looming for late summer-early autumn, and he's hoping people will take advantage of the slight respite we're seeing (lowering infection-death rate) to lose some weight sensibly, and restock our store cupboards in case another lockdown has to happen.

And restock the toilet rolls.

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to stillaboveground

🤣🤣🤣

Oh no, what a thought, I do hope not Sunnie2day.I think if Boris has had an epiphany regarding his weight and health and therefore the risk for others, good for him.There's nothing like a health crisis to make you sit up and evaluate your lifestyle as we all know on this forum.

There cannot be a second lockdown, the country will be ruined for decades to come if we do.

This country is already ruined - by ten years of Tory Party rule and austerity/lack of investment. If - as I presume - you have a health condition, you should see that. The NHS was overwhelmed before Covid. The relentless mistakes and incompetence of Boris Johnson and his government have left us in a much worse place than we needed to be. The original question about an obesity campaign was a good one - it’s important.

What I saw, was that my initial care was absolutely fantastic. We should not lose sight of the fact that we are very lucky in this country to have what we do. Yes, the aftercare is less good, but a lot of it is down to us to take responsibility for ourselves. I think some of us are far too quick to be critical, this is an unprecedented situation, and governments of ALL persuasions chose to ignore the warnings years ago. The NHS was not "overwhelmed" before C19. I do agree that some of the decisions are strange, as in the beach trips, but I guess he is trying to make life as tolerable as possible for some people who do not have access to gardens and such.

If there is another lockdown, or we do not start to get back to work (teachers included), then the NHS will be in unimaginable state in years to come.

I have to disagree with you, not Boris, but all the previous Prime Ministers who didn't have the balls to do the right things, and nothing against Teresa May as a person, but as Prime Minister, she was not a suitable Politician to lead this country. Labour made lots of mistakes too. What I can't stand in Politics, the Wannabes, and lead this country into a wrong direction and the middle class and poor people picking up the pieces afterwards!

We all knew NHS was in trouble long before COVID-19. It just highlighted the problem gloriously in this Pandemic! Boris knows that and he is desperately trying to rectify this.

Think he realised how much we are relying on our National Health Service to efficiently function after his hospitalization especially!

I know he means well. Think I was a bit harsh on Sunday night thinking, we need more Boris!

But we had more! This is a very difficult time for Politicians and Scientists alike... really praying we get through this together.

It is tough and it will stay tough for a lot of people and businesses alike!!!

I think that should be a ‘must not’ rather than a cannot, we must take heed of the directives put in place to help ourselves, instead of returning to our previous daily routines and that will help enormously. Unfortunately folk don’t seem to be taking any notice, they do what they think suits their lifestyle best.

I agree, and it will be interesting to see how our response differs the next time a virus comes along.

I too wonder how effective the Government can be. I think the best they could do is try to educate the public as to the full dangers of clinical obesity but if they can't/won't go all the way and create free and very low-cost physical activity centres both in and out-of-doors, the messages about the dangers and how to mitigate will essentially fall on frustrated or deafened ears. People, I think, want to take responsibility for their obesity but they need to be guided - not lectured to - and aided to find mitigations for expensive fresh foods (and how to store, prepare and cook) and the very real need for proper exercise.

With a few exceptions (usually medication or condition induced) obesity is tackled one way only - proper diet and good old-fashioned exercise.

Proper diet is expensive but the cost can be lowered by 'grow your own' (which would mean many people need training and access to allotments) and 'buy local' at the farmers markets (which means every town and village needs to get those stalls up on a weekly rather than the current monthly or bi-monthly schedule) and green grocers (which means green grocers would have to reopen, perhaps going for locally grown 'wonky' fruit and veg to counter the cheap commercially grown produce currently on offer at the supermarket).

Exercise is likewise tricky - walking is good but too often the ground is not level or motor traffic perilously close (and don't let me get started on yummy-mummys four abreast with twin prams and/or dog waste and yobs on the pavements, yikes!) and blimey the cost to swim at the local leisure centres is frankly shamefully eye-watering! We need safe, clean, level walking tracks both outside and in.

Gyms are also expensive, not to mention being uncapped petri dishes. But free safe bike paths (no pedestrians and no motors) in local parks and free or very low-cost to access velodromes and walking tracks (easily fitted above the swimming pool in leisure centres) would have even the oldest cyclists and walkers out getting some genuinely effective exercise.

Maybe if the Government added an 'obesity tsar' to the roster - and then that person actually accomplished a triple-fronted whammy on obesity, things could actually change.

Not to diss the PM, who has said he believes his 38bmi is why he spent several days in ICU with Covid-19, but...I'm not holding my breath.

TRST
TRST
in reply to Sunnie2day

Great post :)

Really hoping he won't take his eye off the ball because I believe things are not going to get better any time soon ... Harbinger of doom me 😉

I have to say I had no idea his BMI was so high! He must hide it all behind that podium of his. I took my own BMI just to make sure I wasn't deluding myself, and fortunately it's on the low side and the NHS tells me to maintain my weight.

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to TRST

Mine is shocking - excusing it by saying it's Bisoprolol+my PCOS and not being able this past year to really push the walking and other exercise (oh please ask me about my Coleen Nolan dancercise DVD collection, please:) ) isn't good enough to me.

I think what shocked me more than his 38bmi was reading he's only 5'9in - he must have ginormous bones to carry that weight as well as he does! (Yes, I've used the 'big bones' excuse for myself - true, but I really need to lose another 50lbs - sensibly, of course).

TRST
TRST
in reply to Sunnie2day

Well no judgement here :)

And I think I need to know about your Coleen Nolan dancercise DVD collection 🙂

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to TRST

I've got three, all the music is from the 80s, and do start users off lightly with warm-ups, when to stop, etc. I love them, so fun and such good indoor exercise to go along with the walking.

I got them off eBay each for under £3 (including P&P) and while the DVDs can seem dated at times, the work-outs are timeless. Do they work, oh my yes! If you go looking for them, be sure to get the first one in the series as that one has a lot of information on safely getting started getting moving in a fun way to dance away the weight and gain/re-gain fitness.

I asked the cardiologist about the collection when I also asked for cardiac rehab - no to both at that time, then the pandemic got in the way of him referring me to rehab now I've recovered from my wobble last year - he's still laughing I found those DVDs but he has given his approval seeing I can't get to rehab. As long as I'm sensible and he trusts me to be so. Still laughing but he said 'If it works for you, have at it'.

080311
080311
in reply to Sunnie2day

Now all I can hear in my head is “I'm in the mood for dancing “

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to 080311

There's worse things:)

TRST
TRST
in reply to Sunnie2day

Wow sounds amazing. Wish I could be there to wobble alongside :)

My cardio put me on the list for rehab 18 months ago and I am still waiting. Well I'm not waiting really, as I do my own thing, and if I get breathless I just stop.

And yes, I'm in the mood for dancing too!

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to TRST

Years (and years) ago a friend got me hooked on Richard Simmons 'Sweatin' to the Oldies' - we'd meet at her house and dance the morning away. Usually laughed our socks off while dancing our socks off - but it worked for both of us for weight loss (then maintenance) and fitness. Once we realised we were dancing-laughing-talking without going short of breath, we knew we were on the right road.

I got the dancersise DVD, I got a glass of wine and a box of chocs, settled down and watched it all the way through from start to finish, didn't lose an ounce.

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to TRST

A well cut suit helps a lot! A badly cut one makes you look like a dodgy car dealer! 😁

TRST
TRST
in reply to MichaelJH

Yeah, clothes can really enhance or detract. And I know the dodgy car dealer look .. They really should learn, shouldn't they?

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Sunnie2day

I believe some councils now have some outdoor gym equipment in the local park which is free to use.

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Lezzers

Down South, I believe - and I can't tell you how envious I've been. My area has nothing like that I can find and we need it.

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Sunnie2day

All temporarily closed in this area just like the loos!

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to MichaelJH

I am really missing swimming. 🏊‍♀️

True - but your outdoor gym areas are there and eventually will reopen (as will the conveniences:) )

Janma123
Janma123
in reply to Sunnie2day

Aberdeenshire has several outdoor gyms.

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Janma123

Supposedly Angus does as well - but no joy when I go to the site to find those outdoor gym set-ups. I live in a small town with an absolutely gorgeous local park set on the highest point in town so the walking trails are stunners (amazing views) but no outdoor gym set-up.

Ours has all been semi dismantled and roped off for the time being. But it is well used in ‘normal’ times.

I've motivated myself this morning 👍

I think if he, like many of us after an "event", has realised the changes that need to be made to promote a healthier lifestyle, then he has the right motivation & resources to at least have a good try.

Like TRST says, hopefully not at the expense of losing focus on the Pandemic rather as an adjunct.

Gaz

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star

Before anyone asks my BMI is just over 25 with the traditional calculation and under 25 with the new height adjusted one. My waist is exactly half height.

Now you've got me at it

5' 9"

BMI 24.3

Waist to Height .43

BMI used to be ~26 but it doesn't take in to account muscle mass

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Gaz_chops

My waist was actually smaller when I was heavier but back and hip problems limit my exercising.

Anyone got any easy quick fix for getting rid of lockdown lard!! 😂

Gaz_chops
Gaz_chops
in reply to Lezzers

Lockdown the fridge 🤐

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Gaz_chops

Of course, why didn't I think of that!🤔

TRST
TRST
in reply to Gaz_chops

Oh yes, good idea. And also wear a mask all day indoors :)

Is that so nobody can recognize us.

No, it's to stop us eating all day 😁

TRST
TRST
in reply to Lezzers

Get a bike?

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to TRST

I got a bike & a treadmill and weights now I just need someone to drag me to them!! 😂 😂

TRST
TRST
in reply to Lezzers

Oh I see. I understand that motivational slump ..

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to TRST

😂

Interesting post Michael.

I’m sure BJ’s personal experience has driven this but a lot of things need to be done. Tackling obesity is a “turning round the oil tanker” problem. No quick fixes - therefore not always attractive to politicians.

As Sunnie says, the key has to be encouragement and removing the obstacles that people cite as a reason for not taking action. I know this is a matter of personal responsibility for many but for many others, it’s not. In my case, it took a diagnosis of CAD to stop me prevaricating and take action over my obesity and general health.

Will a (any) government take on the vested interests (producers, lobbyists etc) that promote foods that damage health? Can healthy, organic food be produced that is affordable to all? Are people prepared/ able to pay more for food? Will schools include nutrition as part of a curriculum? What can be done to encourage exercise to become an integral part of peoples’ lifestyles.

In some cases, there are emotional and psychological issues connected to obesity. These need to be recognised and addressed.

I hope the government are serious about driving this but in my experience, initiatives that don’t produce short term results are always priorities for politicians of any persuasion. They like to get the credit for their decisions!

There is certainly no better time to highlight the risks of obesity and motivate people to act. But it’s a long term project that will need many years of drive and commitment to turn things around. I sense the mood is there amongst the public.

In other news, it now appears that my BMI is lower than the PM’s. Probably for the first time in 40 years!

I must admit I can’t have been paying much attention as I thought Boris was referring to his own weight gain with his illness. 😂 I’m afraid there’s no hope for me. I’ve tried everything. This lunchtime was great as I indulged in a half portion of cod and chips (the first since lockdown). They did not disappoint. They were delicious. By the way I normally only eat half portions.

Boo_boo1
Boo_boo1
in reply to Maisie2014

I’m enjoying lockdown luncheons I must confess. Usually it’s a sandwich and a vape in the car between visits.

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Maisie2014

Soooo jealous. Haven't had cod and chips for a year!

84green
84green
in reply to Lezzers

Absolutely! I get to fetch my wife and daughter’s cod and chips and then watch them eat it as I tuck into my green salad.

That's good, although technically a half portion of chips would only be 3 chips.

"All" governments are "controlled" by Big Pharma and Big Farmer, and there is little chance that Boris will be able to reduce the consumption of (refined) carbohydrates.

If, over the next few years, many metabolically unhealthy people (diabetes, obesity etc.) die, then anti-SAD Low Carbohydrate High-Fat might gain some traction.

See:

healthunlocked.com/fasting-...

The short answer is no, they won't make any progress if they stick to the current way of doing things, because eating little & often, removing the fat from protein, choosing reduced-fat versions of dairy, and eating too high glycaemic-load all exacerbate obesity and many heart conditions.

Everybody seems to be obsessed with food causing weight gain but alcohol can be as much to blame. My work colleagues are always watching their weight but then drink copious amounts of wine/Prosecco /beer with their salad!

Good old Boris, he's like Marmite. One minute hes coming out with outrageous rubbish by telling us it is fine to drive miles to go to the beach, next he is actually saying something very relevant and putting himself forward as an example. It's not political, it's just fact, we have had a big problem with obesity in this country for years and now it is coming home to roost. The reasons are diverse, some due to the low and cost and availability of rubbish food, some due to peoples ignorance, lack of focus on sports at school, too many kids sat in front of X-boxes, on the list goes. But a lot is simply down to the individual taking responsibility, if the will is there, the way can be found. Why do you think there seems to be such a problem with C19 and the BAME population? because far too many of them fall into the above category. When I was doing my Rehab there was an Asian guy who actually worked at the hospital as a biologist, and had had a HA. He himself said that "we", meaning Asian people, have a massive problem with lack of exercise - you can see it all over, or rather not see people from this group out running/cycling/swimming etc. More than ever during and after this terrible pandemic, we have got to get a grip of this, and Boris is right to bring it to peoples attention. At the end of the day this disease is mostly claiming the lives of the elderly and those in poor shape, let's face it.

Let's focus on the positive actions that people can take, rather than being condemnatory?

I don't really understand your reply? People need to start taking personal action, which they are not doing, are they? I am not being "condemnatory", it is a fact.

I know tens of people through my job, that thought they were taking the correct personal action by following the Eatwell Guide.

Is it really feasible that three-quarters of people have become overweight from eating too much and exercising too little through choice since the 1970s, when before that the issue did exist but was much rarer?

It is yes. We are surrounded by fast food outlets, we all know who they are, serving junk, pizzas, burgers, chips, kebabs, sandwiches full of salt and fat. Just look at the "just eat" adverts. Children have little encouragement to exercise either in school or out, because life is too busy, it is easier to sit in front of a playstation. At least we are seeing more families out exercising during this lockdown, people on bikes that have never been out of the garage and so on. In our county is was even discouraged to have children's sports days because it was upsetting the ones who came last. It is indeed, an epidemic on all fronts that simple HAS to be sorted out.

God bless you lateguitarist

Thank you. I have just watched a video from the BHS nurses about C19 and heart health after getting an email link. Guess what? Bless her the lady presenting it, along with an awful lot of healthcare workers, is overweight. The "Chronic diseases" nurse I went to see last October was obese. It seems to have become acceptable.

I believe it is now not "PC" to call people fat, as it upsets them.

As it would to infer that people were solely responsible for any chronic ill-health?

Some of them are solely responsible yes.

My nephew (27) has asthma, and despite all the warnings about smoking which have been around all his adult life, he smokes. Are you telling me he is not solely responsible if he gets lung cancer at some point?

As we know, nicotine is the most addictive legal substance. Again, in my job I see those people that successfully take measures to kick the habit and the addiction, but they are very much a minority. The vast majority either don't manage to quit, or even years later will try just one, then are hooked again.

So I'm not saying we don't have some responsibility, but the tobacco industry have exploited your nephew's 'weakness'.

I used to follow the 'healthy eating' guidance, and I have no doubt that had I not had the fortitude to go against the crowd, reduce my glycaemic load and eat natural fat, I would have ended up with the chronic ill-health that my parents and majority of my siblings have endured.

I am sorry I cannot agree with any of that. You can blame the tobacco industry all you like, it is HIM that chooses to continue to smoke. I know loads of people who have quit, it's a no brainer. And as far as your continued advocating of eating natural/saturated fat I personally think it is at best quite dangerous advice and flies in the face of most advice and thinking.

Luckily we don't all follow the mob like figurative lemmings over the cliff. The ICS-NHS Diabetes Prevention Programme has been scrutinised, implemented, and is saving suffering and lives; certainly not dangerous.

I'm not advising, just telling people of my experience and information with which to make informed decisions.

Dr Unwin, whose patients follow ketogenic diets lower in carbs than I do, also spoke of the generalisations that had been claimed, such as low carb was safe up to 6 months but then it was prudent to be concerned. Well, he didn't want his patients to be anxious, so he reassured them that instead of the scaremongering about heart disease, his patients' blood results have improved. He was first to present at the Public Health Collaboration Conference being streamed online via You Tube today.

Seven years of implementing low-carb, with almost half now not requiring medication for conditions that were formerly thought to worsen progressively.

Ah the ones whose breath smells like a dung heap?

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to lateguitarist

He would probably be >99% responsible but some people get lung cancer and have never smoked. A cousin of my late mother died at 21 of lung cancer and had never smoked in his life!

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to MichaelJH

A very good friend of mine died of lung cancer year before last just after his 60th birthday, he'd never smoked either. But as an ex smoker, I do agree with stillconcerned it is a very addictive drug, incredibly difficult to give up & I know for sure that if I tried just one cigarette I'd be addicted again. I do try not to judge people, who knows why they smoke or why they're overweight, for some people it's a crutch

Yes but many of them end up needing real crutches?

Are you having a bad day? Let's not judge lest we be judged!

No, quite the opposite. All I am saying is, along with others (maybe they are having a bad day too) is that this situation is highlighting the vulnerability of people who are too high up the BMI scale, as did Boris, and that when this is all over we will be doing well to cope with people who fall ill from things not directly related to things like smoking, over-eating and not taking exercise. In other words they have a duty to themselves and the NHS to keep themselves fit. It has become all too easy in this society to make excuses for these people. I really can't get my head round some peoples attitude to this, the guy next door who I often talk to is always complaining about his sore knees, and is waiting for a replacement for one of them - he's about 17 stone, is it not just obvious??

Bit nit picky that one MJH?

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to lateguitarist

I try not to over simply something that is, in fact, complex.

TRST
TRST
in reply to lateguitarist

Sometimes mystified by people not being able to follow a healthy diet due to cost. Lentils and beans are some of the cheapest foods around, surely?

lateguitarist
lateguitarist
in reply to TRST

Lentil dhal, home made smokey beans, bring it on. Like you say, cheap and nutritious.

Hi, brought up by a mother who had to manage through the war, everything was cooked from scratch and nothing was wasted. I make all my soups from fresh ingredients, it’s cheap and healthy, stews cottage pie all very easily made and can be made with cheaper cuts of meat. Just remember drain your meat after browning to get rid of excess fat. Use herbs instead of salt for flavour. So as you say lentils, beans are cheap and nutritious. Living in Scotland pans of lentil soup is a staple! ( don’t believe what you hear about deep fried mars bars!😂)

Here is the NHS Chart

nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-we...

I feel the knowledge that obesity is a major factor in Covid morbidity should be widely and continuously publicised along with height to weight charts. (Most people are adult enough to read them without journalists trying to explain how they work).

Now we’re allowed out a bit more perhaps a new Government slogan should be Eat Less Move More.

I do try to practice what I preach. I lost 3.5 stone thanks to the Hairy Dieters and lots of brisk walking.

I agree 100%. The government need to press this point home far more. Eat less, move more, protect the NHS, I like it.

I just checked my BMI is 28.2 so overweight but not Obese.

I will be able to eat and drink anything I want as I am not Obese oh just remembered that's what I do already !!

Obestiy is a huge health issue and globally not just here. BJ is not the first to mention obesity and doubt he'll be the last. How does anyone stop someone you know from eating too much let alone the country ? It's become such a sensitive issue to dicuss sadly. We've all heard all the denials and long lists of excuses. From grazing to comfort eating or the having big bones etc. If you feed your pet cat or dog or even your budgie too much poor they will get overweight. Relating it back to this site and heart disease and other health issues. Hand on heart literally are all reading this discussion are not overweight??

So you asked a very simple and relevant question and my response is same as yours, I very much doubt Boris Johnsons recent weight loss, which was due to him having corona virus and not from changing his diet.

Hopefully no one will get offended or upset by that comment its not a jibe at him as a politician just what happened recently. If now he decides to get super fit and slim line l don't think that will actually have much impact either on the nations obesity problem.

I myself know if I am putting on weight and can normally work out why this has happened. I know it's because I've been eating too much overall. Then it's cut back time and shift the excess. Don't know if I'm unique but that's been the norm all my life.

A lot of it is education, I don't think some people realise just how bad some of the processed and packaged food is. One of the mainstream food outlets did a meal deal for £10, the meals were absolutely rammed full of salt and calories. Often the traffic light system can be difficult to interpret, and as you say people are far too quick to take offence and make excuses for stuffing their face. I don't think all inclusive holidays and cruises help either, I have never been on one but I can imagine they are just floating food fests, quite apart from the waste that must be generated.

For a very long time now I have been shocked by the number of obese people walking about. Quite dreadful. I am afraid that being obese has been proven to be very unhealthy and therefore puts an extra huge burden on our NHS. It is therefore, I am sorry to say, antisocial because we all pick up the tab for that. I strongly believe that it is the fault of the diet and the food industry. Far too much fat and sugar, plus simple carbs which makes things taste good and therefore very moreish.

Obviously people need to move and walking is a good way to do so. What is more it costs nothing.

I am afraid we need a nanny state as regards to food because preaching to people and voluntary does not work. We are trying that. There is far too much sugar in manufactured food. That can only be controlled by legislation. It seems to me that a lot of the low fat food is stuffed with sugar. Lots of empty carbs and little nutrition. The body therefore feels hungry cos it craves the proper nutrients. I know they have been pushing 5 a day for a while now and it has been upped to 10 a day.

When I was young they taught at least one term of cookery at school. They ought at least to teach a bit about nutrition which might get back to the parents.

For far too long we have been worried about hurting people’s feelings and therefore not spoken out much. It is possible that obesity is like an addiction to the wrong sort of food and too much of it. Like overcoming all addictions it is difficult in the beginning and the will has to be there to tackle it so motivation is needed.

Many of the machines and food available in hospitals is full of empty carbs. Why? It won’t make people better. Food is Medicine!

I expect I will get brickbats thrown at me from all sides for saying it but all it needs is for ‘good people to keep quiet and bad things will happen ‘.

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to GrannyE

The thing is that many of the Free From foods that many perceive as healthy are often laden with sugar and/or fat!

Which is why I cook from scratch with fresh ingredients. My husband has Coeliac Disease, I'm on a low-sodium/salt restriction - if I bought all his foods on the Free From aisle he'd be overloaded with not only high sugar and fat, but also the excess sodium/salt levels. I 'get' the excessive sugar-fat-salt is to try making the food palatable but wowsa, it's too high! Cooking his gluten-free foods from scratch means proper levels of sugar, etc, and if I dare say this, mighty tasty meals and nibbles.

Same thing with the rare 'low-salt' items on offer at supermarkets so again, I cook from scratch to overcome that problem as well.

This first few words of your comment are why there is such a problem, because far too many people can't or won't cook properly, from fresh. We need to get back to the days of families sitting down round the dinner table properly and eating proper meals.

Agreed on both points! We need to push hard for proper nutrition to be taught in schools including (for the older pupils) how to shop-store-prepare-cook with fresh ingredients on a tight budget, and include lessons on ways to plan for 'left-overs cooking'.

Ah good old left over's, can't beat it. I have heard some people throw away anything "left over", unbelievable. Some things are actually better the day after.

Milkfairy
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in reply to lateguitarist

Lasagne, pasta bakes and curry definitely.

My favourite left over bubble and squeak

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Milkfairy

Life is a minestrone

Served up with parmesan cheese

Death is a cold Lasagne

Suspended in deep freeze

Opps, wrong thread...

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to MichaelJH

😂 😂 😂

I have absolutely perfected bubble and squeak from scratch, no previous meal required.

Very well said. We had these arguments years and years ago when our daughters school put vending machines in the food hall full of crisps and chocolate, it is just plain wrong, we need a sea change in this country.

My secondary school tried the sweet and savoury vending machines - for about two months until the resulting litter and angry parents forced a change to fruit in the machines. Oddly, after the switch to fruit, the litter problem ended and sales went up. This was back in the late 60s-early 70s. My teen grandsons tell me the fruit vending machines are still in place, I'm surprised but happy to hear it.

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Sunnie2day

We had a tuck shop, I think it only lasted 1 term as the students had to man it in their break!

Very true. I have noticed that. I stood for hours, before the lockdown, reading all the labels of the free from carefully and as you say a lot of the free from are laden with sugar and fat. Again I think legislation is required to reduce both.

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to GrannyE

Respectfully, I have to disagree with legislating. I firmly believe what is needed is a massive public education campaign - people need to learn to read labels and take responsibility for themselves. We also need to bring back 'home economics' to school curriculums. But I don't want to see the nanny state any more active in our lives than it already is - I want to see people taking personal responsibility.

Another, unaddressed problem is the way most of these processed foods are cheap and people on tight grocery budgets think 'more bang for the buck' when they're shopping. Quick to get on the table but the weight creeps on and then is very hard to lose. Sometimes the person knows this but most often they don't and the only way to really solve the problem is through education, not yet more laws.

Fresh is often far more expensive at the till and then at home owing to preparation and cooking/baking time - if the chief cook and bottle washer is also working outside the home or coping with a flat full of young children, mustering up the money for high-quality fresh food items and then finding the energy to cook it is all too often too daunting to contemplate much less actually do.

But with a strong public education campaign, people can be taught there are ways to bring down the cost, there are ways to pre-prepare foods (it's called 'investment cooking') to go in the freezer for quick-to-the-table meals, and nibbles that are healthy without added sugars and fats (and salt).

GrannyE
GrannyE
in reply to Sunnie2day

Normally I would agree with you re too much legislation but something has to be done. I am all in favour of a sugar/fructose/corn syrup tax which could be instead

Being a healthy weight, as I am, and always have been, (BMI 21) can give you a false sense of security. I don't aim to keep my weight low I'm just one of those people that has a naturally lower weight, much to the annoyance of my sister and some friends 🤣. When I was diagnosed with heart failure part of the reason I was so shocked was that I believed I had none of the risk factors. I've never smoked, I'm not overweight, don't drink excessively and I keep active. Sometimes shit happens regardless of risk factors like obesity.

The obesity crisis has many roots. As a child sweets and fizzy drinks were a rare thing - now they are everyday, several times a day items in many households. Sweets and cakes are cheap to buy and attractive but contain little of value! Huge portions of cake as served in the myriad of tea rooms and coffee shops and enormous takeaway coffees are also guilty.

The diet industry and other agencies have demonised fat as being the baddy and promoted carbohydrates as good. Fat in many manufactured foods has been replaced by sugar to add flavour - sugar burns up quickly and any that isn’t used for energy is stored as fat. Hunger comes back sooner. Foods containing natural fats burn more slowly and therefore last longer.

Ready meals and eating out/ takeaways are another massive contributer to the current problem.

There is also the myth that real food is expensive - it isn’t really it just needs to be bought more frequently as it doesn’t keep for ages. Commercially produced foods are as good as organic ( much of the commercially produced food is now almost organic anyway due to restrictions in use of pesticides etc). Practical cookery needs to be taught again in schools and we need to learn about portion sizes! Programmes like bake-off focus too much on high calorie/ low nutrition value foods too!

I am overweight as is my hubby, but we eat very differently. I will always go for savoury - wholegrain, veg, salad, protein- and my automatic go-to would be a sandwich if I am hungry, he will ask for cakes, biscuits and other sweet things before something nutritious. I put it down to early differences in upbringing - my mum was a simple plain cook and food was always home cooked and veg home grown. My mother-in-law was an ok cook but loaded fruit pies etc with sugar and often tried to do too much and spoiled an element of a meal or would cook it early and leave it to keep warm as she was going off somewhere - hubby got in the habit of filling up with cakes etc and can’t get out of it - he’s now 71 but I am still trying!!!

Hi Michael JH

Thanks for posting!

However, whatever the Government or Anybody says makes no difference at all on Obesity.

It is up to the individual. It's not rocket science!

Eat what your body needs and no more.

Eat more than you need and it is turned to fat and stored.

I'm 5-10 and 10 st 6 and have been about this weight all my life.

And do a lot of cycling!

Good luck all!

Alps

One of the key problems is that healthy lifestyles might fall into PPE in schools but it doesn't carry much weight if it is not in a valued qualification despite the fact that it is probably more important than becoming a cog in the workforce. It could be part of a critical thinking agenda but while governments (yes politics :-) ) emphasise 'traditional' learning, then eating less meat for example is not a message that will get through.

I thought it was ironic when I saw the cardiologist last year. He was in his last 30s, about 5ft tall and about 5ft around the waist. He could not sit close to the desk. He did not mention anything about me being 5ft 10" and 92kg to my face but on the letter I received said I needed to lose weight.

At least he didn't say to follow his example or teachings...

Tackle the ignorance about nutrition and deficiencies within the NHS and we might get somewhere. General practice needs other health professionals instead of just GP's and disease needs tackling earlier. And start with educating children at school and new parents. When you have Matt Hancock saying B12 deficiencies can be tackled by eating broccoli it doesn't give you a lot of confidence and I've had a GP say something similar. We also need to tackle low quality ready prepared meals that lack nutritional value and content and any processes in food production that strip nutrition. Big subject and more needs to be understood and done before people get fat. Many things are swept aside with no care or help whatsoever.

Eat less, move more, save lives, protect the NHS.

How does this differ from the UK's current sound-bites?

Heart to Heart fight club. Aren't we all suffering from Health issues + Political termoil ATM. 😭 Fickle.

It's very easy to exercise cheaply and easily.

Go for a walk, do some bodyweight exercises at home.

Don't overeat and don't consume highly processed foods.

Unfortunately the world is full of fat lazy people who don't want to change and until individuals are self motivated to change their lifestyle this fact will remain.

How many people on this forum were living unhealthy lives and only adopted a healthier lifestyle after the motivation of a heart attack?

Hello

This is probably an issue more difficult than Stopping Smoking.

If your Obese it can be difficult to even walk, I have met people who can't walk because their inner thighs rub together ! Obese people lack energy to exercise they just can't do it. How many people have we all met who in all honestly don't think they are Obese.

We all need clearer information on the labels of what we eat. I used to think a can of Baked Beans was an healthy option, but a 1/4 of a can is around 85 kcal and a slice of Toast around another 65 quick 150Kcal for breakfast along with the Milk in the coffee can get you to 170 kcal for what is a pretty skimpy breakfast. When your used to 3 Toast and at least 1/2 can of Beans and a couple of Sausages with a Fried Egg on top. About 700 kcal . Like having a Fag it's difficult to stop !!!

Exercise is a difficult thing to push and it is not all healthy, you may be Fit but not Necessarily Healthy. We are concerned about our sons who do Ironman and Ultra Marathons we wonder what their Hips and Knees will be like when they are 50 !!

(my breakfast is the 1/4 can Beans and 1 slice of toast )

I do think Food Producers should give the kcal Count in Decent Size print and not in 100g but what kcals are in the Can or Packet.

Stay Alert Stay Safe

I presume you mean tinned beans? With all respect the breakfast you have mentioned is not really very good? Tinned beans are full of salt, far too many sausages contain all sorts of dubious things (i won't tell you what my wife describes them as containing) and a fried egg? Personally I make my own "baked beans", it's not that difficult and taste way better as well as not containing crap. Personally I would recommend porridge, we have jumbo oat porridge followed by sourdough toast with peanut butter, delicious!

Also don't worry about your sons knees and hips that's an old wives tale they will be just fine.

I do agree it is high time the labeling of the contents of food is made far clearer it is very confusing at the moment, however the best gauge is the holes on ones belt?

Hi Late

The breakfast I have is one slice of toast and a poached egg 140kcal some times one toast and 1/4 can reduced Sugar and Salt baked beans again about 140kcal. I was pointing out when you are used to a big fry up breakfast it difficult to give it up like it is to give up smoking !!

Regards

Stay Well and Stay Safe

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