Just finished watching confessions of a junior doctor and was shocked to see NHS practicing social genocide based on economics in my shocked diseased opinion.
Quite worrying as doctors decided to denie elderly dementia patient suffering gangrene life saving treatment AS saving here life would not improve here quality of life as she had dementia and was living in a rest home.
Totally disgusted and every diseased person dementia suffer should worry about desions being made on quality of life and economics and life saving treatment you wont get.
Didn't see that episode Hidden but on another issue you posted about ,this may be of interest?
An app called Fuel service and its a free ap. The developer himself is disabled and wanted to provide an app that would mean they will make arrangements in advance and help with refuelling etc. Obviously you ring the Ap tell them which garage you're going to and fingers crossed its plain sailing from there onwards. I've been in correspondence with them but not yet tried it out. Its a non profit organisation. Take a look,what have you to loose? How is Dad doing at the moment- behaving himself I hope?
Got the ap and phoned a shell garage. No one answered phone. Then tried a GP garage not mention on ap and had very good result with them coming out and filling my car, hence won't use ap again.
Ps may I also say I did watch programme and they did say also that they didn't think that she was well enough for surgery and probably would not get through it.
I completely agree that economics should not interfere with clinical decisions.
But in this case, my understanding was that the only further treatment they could offer was an above-knee amputation. The surgeon told the woman's son that this was an option, but that, in view of her fraility, that was likely only to intensify her suffering.
Hi Jeff, glad to hear you got your fuel dilema sorted for future , keep trying so we as disabled can get other things bettered. I raised the issue if poor quality paper cups in the dentist, they were changed but now they are back to the old style, some are so thing they squash when you pick them up. As for the program on TV it just shows how undignified end of life can be if you are not totally mentally capable, but a good show for mental awareness w eek don't you think.? Shows what really goes on sad as it may be., but may have served this ladies best interest and her family.
yes Jeff I agree with you what about best treatment now giving us a better life, rather than money spent on research into how to give people a good dying experience. Surely making a patient, comfortable, no pain and suffering, with dignity is part of the care training for medical staff or am I wrong again??
I was appalled when elderly family member went into hospital chest infection left to dehydrate ,
Left I soiled pants ect left unable feed themselves , told DNR was option 😡 But it was not option they don't need your permission it's a disgrace ! Also seen peeps put on line only 45 yrs old find out after being released from hospital that DNR was on there notes with out being asked person had copd !!! How can this be going on ? Imagine saying to older person about DNR ? Even when told it would scare them !! That's enough for them give up the will to live !!!
I know our NHS is under extreme pressure at the moment and I'm for everyone who works on the hospital wards , it's not there fault ! Its government cutting funds and staff ! But since when have we become a society that gives up on the elderly and ill playing god on who lives or dies ? Purely on funds !😡😢😢
Which episode was this on? Sometimes this happens just because of age. As soon as doctors saw my Dad's age (90) they had him dead. I had to keep insisting that he was strong, still driving and bowling and swimming three mornings a week. They looked at me patronisingly and said he wasn't a candidate for ICU as they might need it for someone else and that I wasn't to expect him to improve. Well despite them he was sitting up and eating breakfast the next morning! Unfortunately the same doctors were not there to see him. I would have loved to have seen their faces. Even more so that they might change their opinions on helping older patients.
Your right it's going on all over the country if old the neglect is rife , how can peeps be dehydrated when in hospital ? Because they know the person needs a cup with 2 handles and leave them get on with it you can contact PALS at ur local hospital and report it but then u get staff being hostile !
Don't let that put you off at least it's documented on record ! Be warned after countless requests for drinking cup fam member could. Hold and not scold themselves with ect notes were not on there chart for this or fact needed help feed while ill it was an every day struggle to make sure it got through to staff !!
Bell ringer put out of reach ect when. The hospitL says your not fit to treat because your old ect or will cost money not the fact you paid in contributions to have nhs for treatment , you need be vigilant about your family member 😢😡!!!
The Liverpool pathway to send peeps on there way was stoped and illegal yet seems normal practice being used on your loved ones !
I think its totally disgusting, didn't they take an oath to preserve life and not leave anyone to die painfully and suffer.What's happening to our marvellous NHS, I know it stretched butt that's not the point. Sorry if I have upset anyone, but I stand by what I say.xx Bernadette
Yea agree on one hand but they are not attempting to help. Elderly ect because there old not because they won't live it's a cost thing ! There neglected to point of death some not even getting pain relief !
Amputation is a very big operation and quite long too. The actual post operation period is usually very hard too and I wonder if they thought she was too frail to have the op and survive surgery. The son could have disputed what was being said but he didn't, so maybe he felt the same?
I remember reading a post on here about a man arguing with doctors about his mother's care in hospital when he found they had a DNR instruction on her notes. He posted here a couple of years later to say that, despite that, his mother had recovered and was leading a happy life, seeing her grandchildren, sitting in the sunshine and enjoying her newspaper and novels. Too many doctors play God, in my opinion, and too many times it seems to be linked to resources. Disgusting.
Unfortunately the elderly and infirm are a fiscal liability to a Government that reduces everything to a financial sum. It is not the doctors and nurses who are starving the NHS of resources, it is government policy.
The only way this can change is via the ballot box.
Not answering for the rights and wrongs of this, but did they not express concern about her ability to withstand the amputation and if they did amputate would her quality of life be improved.
She was,nt my mum so not sure how I would respond, but I did think it was a sensible solution and her son accepted this
Nobody wants to loose their Mum,Dad, Wife, Husband or any family member, but that dosent give us the right to put them through Hell on Earth , trying everything possible to keep them just a little bit longer. A couple of days before my Wife died she asked "am I going yet, I think I've had enough" it was only then that I realised how selfish the Family had been, telling her to take this tablet or try this medicine, What about her pain, Where was her quality of life.
Think about it.... you wouldn't put your pet animal through this.
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