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The list of treatments doctors say you don't need.

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The say its not to save money BUT i say the FULL of Sh##%

Recipe for disaster MIXED msg doctors are getting.

Cancer patients diagnosed to late written off.

And those with end stage lung diseases are they going to have meds withdrawn.

Having experienced doctor refusing to send me for back lung xray BUT could reffer me to muscleskeleton doctor.

Also altzemers patients they deem at ead of life after reducing meds hole thing stinks.

We already have to fight tooth nail for meds to help improve quality of life and fight infections.

Yet again we have government ripping of dieased and sick BUT the not happy with that THEY want to hasten our demise WHY threw there mismanagement incompetence..

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sassy59

For once l am speechless. Pete would have been written off years ago. What can l say? Xx

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Ad say dont let them sassy ever

People who have cystic ovires that is precursor for cancer.

Kids with lung issues and what about infections.

Then cancer treatmeant THEY going to inprove diagnoses or leave it to late with cancer waiting list.

End life care withdrawing drugs THATs other issue

Been few on her doctors tried to write off

So yes i could go on and on AND first doctor i ever see says such thing to me i can assure you they going to get told too.

Everything on there is prone to nasty infections if left unchecked.

Hi cheers a overy cyst is precursor for cancer just like polyps are for guys.

Like a say is recipe for-disaster.

Limiting end life medication is withdrawing meds both mean same but what happend to preserving life.

ive got polycystic ovaries

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hi reiver my advice is see your doctor with them, i new someone who had them and it turned out to be cancer cells, then other mate had them ages they can hide n they caught hers by chance, they not sure sliced r drained them , so ad see the doctor if you already havnt, but if saying u have whats been done for you regards them. then other mate had one overy taken out n now only as boys , and her mam died when she n her sister was very young of breast cancer ,, terrible eh

As nothing to do with having last word BUT yes if you see link or watch video yes the do talk of limiting end of life medication .

What do you think happens if you take someones medication of someone that needs it.

Its not alarmist and is happing right now given my own personal experiences as well.

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Azure_Sky

Are you suggesting end of life patients, like my late husband, are likely to have their drugs withdrawn????

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Yes my dads not got cancer but altzemers and we have already been asked how we feel if the limit he's meds as terminol .

So like i told them yes i do mind very much AS this loads people been writen off only to be wrong.

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Azure_Sky in reply to

If he is terminal surely there are no drugs to prolong his life?

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Hi is mobile n happy and when we talk he said he hopes he as ten years so who am i or them to say.

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He surely cannot be at end stage?

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Its what he's admiral nurse told us after reading is medical notes.

He as few issues with heart so be one or other BUT happen soon enough with out it being hastened by withdrawing meds.

Its already happing in alzheimer's patients and given i have such displeasure of having such chats with admaral nurses i would say its quite true and not alarmist but a sad fact

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Please tell me what 'admaral' nurses are.

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Snodgrass

Sorry but ceasing medication when it keeps someone alive with no quality of life and in pain is pointless. There are very few Drs around who would.

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knitter

Maybe the Choose Wisely Campaign , who brought their recommendations into the public domain, could have introduced their ideas in a more diplomatic and caring way.

Everyone knows the NHS is under stress, and I guess people may worry that these are mere cost cutting measures rather than for the benefit of patients.

Health professionals need to build trust not weaken it, but talking to a patient rather than handing out a pill or a test takes time....something a GP seems to be short of. Too much admin, perhaps?

Does anyone know if the Choose Wisely Campaign is the same as Choosing Wisely . Thanks.

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Inamoment

I thought the point was that some medication has severe side effects so there could be a case for not having them.

That is actually not what the report was about at all. Most was about xrays and plaster that weren't required.

I quote from the Guardian

Other conditions it identified included terminal cancers – particularly those that that have not responded well to previous courses of chemotherapy. The treatment is “by its very nature toxic”, the college said. “Therefore, the combination of failing to achieve a response and causing toxicity can ‘do more harm than good’.”

That seems sensible to me, if it was me I'd go along with it

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knitter

Hi Hanne, I have also read the BBC news website article under Health ....I agree most seem sensible suggestions, but I guess people are wary these days.

I have been looking into the source of the report.....amazing tool is Google.

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knitter

Thanks Hanne....I was wondering....Choosing Wisely is part of the ABIM foundation I think.....a non profit making organisation.

Interestingly today in the news.....' Thirty seconds chat " triggers weight loss " ' BBC .

Maybe more time spent listening could be more efficient and helpful in the long run, rather than payment by results.....making patients feel valued.

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Dragonmum

My hackles went up when I heard this on radio - is it the thin end of a very thick wedge? I know people run to doctors these days for very minor issues amd I'm of a generation that used doctors only when all else failed, but the "end of life treatment" really bothered me. I also noticed there was no mention of doing a more thorough investigation into the over-prescription of some drugs which are very profitable to the drug companies. I understand that if there's 7% chance of someone having a stroke/heart attack within the next ten years they should be prescribed statins - so that's about purchasing a lot of crystal balls? The fact that health charities endorse something means nothing at all to me - they pull down massive salaries and receive very generous funding from interested parties. I'd say this needs to be watched very carefully.

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knitter in reply toDragonmum

Hi dragonmum, this is such a difficult and emotive subject.

My late father was prescribed statins as he was at risk, but he still had a massive stroke and was bedridden for two years afterwards.

This Choosing Wisely concept seems to have been adopted in other countries.....it's not just the NHS that has been assessed.

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Toci in reply toDragonmum

My father was also prescribed statins though he had no previous heart problems. He got terrible side effects but was told to keep taking them. He died of a massive heart attack 2 months later.

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knitter

The Choosing Wisely have a website which explains their aims.

In the About section , there is a quote.

' Choosing Wisely recommendations should not be used to establish coverage decisions or exclusions. Rather , they are meant to spur conversations about what is appropriate and necessary treatment. As each patient situation is unique , providers and patients should use the recommendations as guidelines to determine an appropriate plan together'

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