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Saw the article which was interesting but the whole point was that it referred to 'well nourished adults' who had a good diet. If your diet is poor, which many people with lung problems will attest to, then supplements are a good thing, in my opinion. 
how will I know its not dangerous with ok food
If you are getting a well balanced diet with all the vitamins and minerals that would be in the supplements, you shouldn't need it. It might be a good idea to have a chat with your GP about it or even talk to the BLF nurses who give excellent advice
before wasting money and risking danger
Ashtray, there is an interesting bit about overdosing in this link below, but again if you have worries, speak to a professional who should be able to talk through what is and isn't good for you.
webmd.com/food-recipes/feat...
a professional is good because there is a lot o mystery around what is ok
My GP just says that there are inconclusive pieces of evidence and not enough research. I take some vit D as an extra pill, but I do rely too on eating cornflakes which has this included and whole milk. There too, only yesterday somebody pointed out that milk makes mucus.
I certainly will not rely on an article in the paper either, It's only a journalist's view!
inconclusive and miracle are among the words I see looking into this kinda like religion you believe what you want and leave elbow room for the rest if they are not hurting anyone with what goes on
Well put ashtray thats exactly as I see it too.Just took me longer to say the same derrrr. Janexx
I would like some of the claims to be true but I want results not hope
I would to but there is not any approved studies as far as some of the claimants make on a lot of vitamins and supplements.If my blood tests come back that Iam lacking in some way my doc will tell me and advise accordingly,I like to research and read about new and upcoming treatments which give hope for the future ,I personally need to read the right results of approved trials and accepted and passed results that prove yes or no first.Thats me though. Janexx
All I know that if I stop taking my vit b complex for just a week, the cracks in the corner of my mouth come back.....maybe because I don't like red meat.
God, I know I will be giving myself the best quality of life by supplementing my very healthy diet with extra Vits plus other bits & bobs.
If you are very well & don't have health issues then fine, as Scrobbity says, perhaps you are getting what you need from a balanced diet with no processed food, junk foods & drink.
Fact: people in the UK don't get enough Vit D via sunshine especially now people go out covered in sun screen.
You'd have to have an awful lot of vitamins to overdose to dangerous levels.
Like Stitch says, research it, then you will be able to make up your own mind as have I.
For instance, I learnt from Daz the other day to leave off multivitamin when taking antibiotics so I am.
Try writing vitamins in the BLF search box for starters. P
much of this is taken with no proof that any good will come of it should the same rules that apply to pharma be put on this industry
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I got the vits thank you,also veg and fruit plenty of it from aldi,xxx now I,m making a chicken and dumpling with loads of veg in ,nothing ventured nothing gained,xxx
peege• in reply to
oh yummy. That's the way, especially in the winter to give you the best chance. Which vits did you get?
I have to take Adcal + D3, get it on prescription. I'm just about to start zinc + Vit c but only through winter.
Kath xx
peege• in reply to
That's good, will give your immune system a boost. I sometimes take 3 of those throughout the day if I'm coming down with something. Personally speaking I believe that's worked for me over last few months. Got a flaming bug now though :(. Hope you're well Poems
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which 3 do you take ?xxx
peege• in reply to
Ah good, you're showing up now
I'm a bit poor so buy 3 for 2 tubes from Tesco , effervescent , the 'with zinc' one.
I have a tube of good quality Beroca for when I really need a boost as they have other Vits added.
I believe it's nigh on impossible tp overdose on Vit c. The body can't store it, that's why I take it 3 times a day morning noon & night.
Not obsessed butI take loads of other bit n bobs, desperate to improve & not sink to how I was for over 4 years. (Not to mention arthritis, osteopenia, hereditary high cholesterol & a dodgey stomach)!
Used to be so fit and well xx
Vitamins are only any good if there is somthing wrong with you .. Hospitals inject lung suffers with b12 why becouse the shit
A dont think so .. When you ill is ok to take vitamins .. Most lung suffer have choice of chewing food small portions properly .. Or breathing
B12 helps me and vitaminc C well think the doing more than my doctors
Did you know your body uses 25% of your bodys oxygen befour you even move
Thus how much oxygen do you think you use when eating ?
In my case Food = Nap
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is the vit c good for c,o,p,d,? and how many do we take daily and which vit c ?xxx
peege• in reply to
It's very good Twiceshy ( based on my opinion and what I've read over the years). Along with Vit D3 it's one of the cheapest most useful Vits going. Good for you immune systems to aid fighting infections xx
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You can get "one a day" vit C twiceshy. Other brands which don't say one a day on the carton, will tell you how many you need to take. Along with plenty of fruit - oranges, apples, other fruits and veg that contain vit C, taking them should be good for you. xx
Ashtray• in reply to
hospitals inject lung suffers with b12 why becouse the shit - well I have had no b12 injection for my lungs and no one I know has so hows that happened
Have been saying this for years, on here too, but usually get contradicted! It's just a licence to print money for the manufacturers/retailers. Unless tests show you have a deficiency of a certain vitamin/mineral etc, then there is absolutely no need to waste your money. If you are malnourished then your doctor will prescribe nutritional drinks which contain everything you need. Not to meniton that too much of certain supplements can be downright dangerous! x
Have to agree to disagree then Libby
I do agree there's a huge marketing game going on, like fags, booze, cleaning products, slimming products, greetings cards, blooming Halloween - what a waste of money!
I'm poor so choose carefully & read up 1st. I don't smoke, don't drink, hardly have a social life so I prefer to err on the side of caution.
From taking a few things, doing PR learning the breathing I was infection free for 7 whole months! A first in a very long time.
If you do your research though, steer clear of the hype you can make your own choices and decisions. XxxX
I have to agree 100% with you Libby. I also believe in the power of our brains and believe that people who think that its working will feel better !so that has to be good for them,I do believe if you made sugar pills that look the same those people would continue to feel good.Thats my opinion only I have better things to spend the few pennies i have on extra fuel haha you get my drift,Each to their own at the end of the day as long as we all feel happy and as healthy as we can be, is whats important.Please dont throw things at me 
Janexx
Adcal is a calcium replacement, with D3 it is used to treat osteopenia and/or Osteoporosis, so sorry, no it's no good for C.O.P.D.
This article is interesting, nothing new in the findings. If you can afford a balanced diet and don't fad eat you should get all the vitamins you need in the diet. Unless you have some illnesses that alter your ability to eat properly.
that would leave the vitamin sales down if that gets around so maybe whisper that katieoxo60
Health claims about vitamin D examined nhs.uk/news/2013/06June/Pag... from the NHS
Don't forget one of the most important vitamins, vitamin D and you can get it free by spending just 10 minutes a day in the fresh air. If you cannot get outside wrapped up warm next to an open window is almost as good. Bethan x
Wow this got a response. I agree that well nourished people probably do not need vits but with what I get a week and what is spent on food I do not get a well balanced diet but what fits my meagre budget. I was told to try manuka honey but that was half my food allowance so no longer on my list.
Hi stitch yep that is why i take them is attaché to Co2 then the expeled from my body
So must help if your a Co2 retainer ... and as water soluble b12 quite harmless
pandaz• in reply to
confirm vitamins remove Co2
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Confirm it doesn't?
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Agreed BC nice to see ya back .. A sad B12 but ye agree there is a search box at top of page
pandaz• in reply to
not confirming then ?
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Not me who needs to know ..
pandaz• in reply to
Not true then
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Ye sure what ever
Ashtray• in reply to
I am sorry that no credible evidence is here for serious consideration when so much space is taken with the discussion
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A dont need to prove any thing .. And dont you think if it was un true YES would of made point of teling me and av thay NO search box is at top of page
Ashtray• in reply to
If you wish to prove a point then evidence not a search box please
coors• in reply to
From the search box healthunlocked.com/blf/ques...
No it has to be 10 mins standing on one leg with rainbow coloured shorts and a polka dot sleeveless vest 
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pandaz• in reply to
keep taking the tablets
Things are what they are, the newspaper and magazine, the multivit industry and the drug industry, the food banks, the supermarkets to a corner shop, branded merchandise and labelled products, renewable fuel and non renewable fuel,
Milk chocolate, dark chocolate, fruit and vegetables, cakes and sticky buns, some folk are guided by their own medical professionals and others not.
I am glad we are living in an age where we can decide for ourselves what the truth is or what is prefabricated, what we discard and what we recycle, our choice to decide what we find useful to us and disregard what we do not.
Personal choice in deciding when someone speaks truth or when the truth is twisted, a selection of choices, where one may say a bee is bad it can hurt you with its sting, and another will say the bee is good it makes nutritious healing honey, some will say the honey is bad it is high in sugar another will say honey is good it contains natural sugars and is high in vitamins and minerals etc etc etc.
So truth can be found in contraditions, both are exactly as is, our choice is what we choose for ourselves regardless what anyone else thinks.
Personally I don't believe everything I hear or read even when it comes from a scientist, scientist have a track record of getting things wrong but hey they can get it right some of the time
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Like the article says......
" Research suggests diet supplements taken by One in Three Britons have no clear health benefits and might even be harmful "
Looking on the other side of that 2 thirds of Britons do gain health benefits.
A classic example.
Ashtray• in reply to
Personal choice of when the truth is twisted would be the classic example that some worthwhile clear health benefits are gained for the 2 thirds without of evidence of such.
medpagetoday.com/MeetingCov...
[Quote] Older men had a small but significantly lower risk of cancer when they took a multivitamin on a daily basis, a new analysis of a large cohort study showed.
Overall, men who took a daily multivitamin supplement had an 8% lower risk of cancer than men who were randomized to receive a placebo. Additionally, cancer mortality was 12% lower in the multivitamin arm, although the difference did not achieve statistical significance.
Men with a history of cancer appeared to derive even more benefit from the multivitamin, as they had a 27% lower cancer rate compared with placebo-treated men with a history of cancer. . . . [/quote]
the difference between placebo did not achieve statistical significance a red flag on early stage research
More importantly and something that never gets mentioned, is how and when you lake vits either in your food or as supplement.
Vitamin C is destroyed by cafeine and so you shouldn't drink tea or coffee half and hour either side of your intake PLUS your body can only absorb iron when it's also absorbing vit C....double whammy. If you look at the breafast ceral adverts, especially those that are claiming rich in iron, you will nor see a steaming cup of tea or coffee but you will always see a glass or jug of fruit juice. They are telling you but not in words....bit of a cop out if you ask me. I only found this out when I was working in a homeless hostel and we had one very poorly lad come to stay with us.
1 in 4 are obese so fat holds the vitamins a rubbish diet is not put right with multi-vitamins taken with lager/wine
pizza/chips a smoke for afters. More than what we re eating is keeping regular activity not leaving the healthy pills of vitamin rich goodness to cover up a couch potato lifestyle.
get what you need from a healthy well balanced diet with some fresh air and exercise pulmonary rehabilitation advice in a nutshell - need anything more talk with a professional
I looked at your posts,thank you,i have bought b12,100jug,vitc,1,4oomg,vit d3,10jug, anything is better than the toxins I put in me with fags,1 vitc day,2 b12 every 4days.d3 I,m not sure how many daily to take?says support bones and immune system,any advice on how many ,I will take them at my own risk ,xxx
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Hi i only take b12 and C now b12 every other day in blocks of 3 weeks and C would be same .. Vitamin C helps with inflamation fibroblast and dispite what our residant rocket sciantist think B12 is as i stated and good at fighting cancer .. I have always asked told my gp and he was ok
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How to Choose a Multivitamin health.usnews.com/health-ne...
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I rang my doctor,he said vit c ,I daily as its winter,also b12 ,I can take 2 a week for 6 week,then stop,then start again after hes cheked me,ive looked up another member for d3,i will wait on the reply, thanks again,also veg and fruit,xxx,any more helpful advice is appreciated,
Ashtray• in reply to
No substitute for real food
Will vitamins stop flu simple answer is no keep on top of hygiene and get a flu shot foxnews.com/health/2013/01/... flu is bad news with lungs busted keep on top
blackmoresinstitute.org/log...
[Quote] An editorial published in the Annals of Internal Medicine late Monday US time suggesting that there are no benefits to taking multivitamins and mineral (MVM) supplements flies in the face of research which repeatedly demonstrates that the typical consumer diet falls short on critical nutrients. . . . [/quote]
Not saying the critical nutrients would stop obese numbers going up are they same speed as diabetes because of lifestyle Eat a poor diet sit around the vitamins will stop all the illness that lifestyle choices cause heart attacks (MI) not counted the research not sure about them
Change for a better lifestyle has better results than bad lifestyle with vitamins filling the cracks a waste of money when more illness is lifestyle than critical nutrients.
$23 billion industry selling vitamins into a market where health insurance saves the rich
"The message is simple: Most supplements do not prevent chronic disease or death, their use is not justified and they should be avoided,"
scientificamerican.com/arti...
expensive urine reported independent.co.uk/life-styl...
A body rejects elements that are toxic through urine a re cycling loop should keep only potable water. NASA tech on the ISS recycle 98% a long trip to a hospital from out there
universetoday.com/101775/an... like cranberry juice but you would not get me recycling vitamins without some filtering.
Ashtray• in reply to
simple idea of not putting extra vitamins the body does not absorb takes away the rocket science
until now I considered my re-cycling would save the planet DestinyCalling saving waste when flushing the toilet didn t include that water
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