Potential cure for one person with a fib

[TillyBoss]

A 76 year old with constant a fib for 10 years recently posted his cure. According to him it was magnesium 250mg along with potassium as a powder. Has anyone heard of that combo

[mav7]

Interesting. Seems like it would depend on person's level of magnesium and potassium. High levels of each can cause other issues. But it may be worth a try with blood tests to monitor levels.

[Peacefulneedshelp]

It is my understanding that we are all deficient in these minerals. I also take a powdered supplement with those two minerals. I have yearly blood draws and so far no issues.

[TillyBoss in reply to Peacefulneedshelp]

Good to hear

[OzJames]

just curious but was that posted here?

[CDreamer in reply to OzJames]

We have had hundreds of posts about mineral supplements but the way the poster worded it feels much more like social media or popular press.

[CDreamer]

Many people on this forum take an oral magnesium supplements with great success and report not a ‘cure’ there really is no one cure for AF but a lessening of their AF & Ectopic burden however be aware of the dangers - it has the potential increase the efficaciousness of drugs, especially beta blockers. It can lower BP. There are some conditions, one of which I have, which makes oral magnesium supplements dangerous to take although for most people it would be difficult to overdose magnesium, you will just get the runs if you take too much. I use a magnesium mineral topical spray which is just as effective. If you are going to take a supplement - do your homework as to which type of magnesium.

Potassium, however deficient, is a completely different matter and can damage kidneys so unless under the direction of a. Qualified medical practitioner who is tracking your progress - avoid - would be my advice.

Look to your food to provide all the mineral content you need but it really needs to be grown in land which has not been over farmed to deplete it of mineral content, preferably organic and you need to avoid at all costs ‘food like substances’. That is Ultra Processed Foods devoid of any micro nutrients - anything packaged basically.

Eat plenty of green, leafy veg, a wide variety of fresh fruit, some pulses, whole grains and generally a plant based diet. Look up foods high in magnesium and potassium eat a wide variety of fresh produce, prepared from scratch and you should get enough micronutrients from your food.

The only reliable way to know if you are deficient in magnesium is take a red cell blood test, a normal blood test will always serum test will always show good levels. Otherwise know the symptom of magnesium deficiency

low appetite.

nausea and vomiting.

fatigue and weakness.

muscle spasms or tremors.

abnormal heart rhythms.

I tend to have some sort of drink high in electrolytes at hand for any arrhythmias and sometimes it helps. I find pure coconut water good, if you take commercial electrolyte drinks be very, very careful to read the ingredient list for nasties which will cause more problems.

I think the word cure is bandied around a little too freely!

[Steve101 in reply to CDreamer]

CD you are so knowledgeable, always find your posts helpful.

[TillyBoss in reply to CDreamer]

Thank you for all that info especially about the electrolyte I'll look into it. I'm doing the vagal nerve thing when I get it and it seems to help. I asked the doc about my potassium levels recently at a checkup and he says they don't tick the box because when the courier brings the phials of blood to the hospital it was affecting the read-out somehow!

[Peacefulneedshelp in reply to TillyBoss]

experiment with yourself and you will know how you feel. some magnesium can cause loos bowel in some people but not all. I worry less about a supplement than I do about pharmaceutical drugs. Interestingly the word Pharmaceutic comes from a Greek work meaning Witch Craft. Yet somehow many want to demonize good old food and supplements. Just a side point.

[TillyBoss in reply to Peacefulneedshelp]

I am taking my pantoprazole at noon to try and absorb magnesium from my morning breakfast and banana so here's hoping

[55zuzanka61 in reply to TillyBoss]

It doesn’t matter how you space it,pantoprazole works full 24 hours so timing other supplements is without merit

[TillyBoss in reply to 55zuzanka61]

I was told it took 2.5 hrs to begin work so I reckoned it wasn’t at full strength but I will look into

[55zuzanka61 in reply to TillyBoss]

It depends if you take it daily or as needed,if as needed the pantoprazole actually takes much longer to shut off acid production and you have time to take your magnesium but if daily you have already steady,full levels and timing doesn’t matter

[TillyBoss in reply to 55zuzanka61]

Thank you for that

[secondtry]

Lucky guy. I would think it is quite rare for just two fairly standard supplements is all you need.

[doodle68]

I would look very sceptically at any ' supplementary or medicinal ' cure for AF .

Our bodies need magnesium and potassium and I understand from research a shortage of them can be linked to AF so it is a good idea to make sure we get them in our diet. I have taken magnesium taurate for some years because I did not think I was getting sufficient in my diet .

When I first had P-AF ...just one episode for some years, then only occasionally it would have been easy to convince myself that supplements had cured me when no more episodes took place over a long period and I am pretty sure that the lifestyle changes I adopted and stuck to rigorously back then having discovered the LEGACY study may have help to delay the progression of my AF and they certainly made me fitter .

But progress it did and with the odd lucky exception I believe that is the case with most people whatever supplement they take . If your symptoms are slight or your are asymptomatic that is not a big problem . If like me you have symptoms that can not be controlled with medication I would suggest an ablation.

[TillyBoss in reply to doodle68]

It can all be very confusing with the myriad of pages out there. One interesting one was drafib who I believe is an elecrtocardio guy. In 2016 he said he posted that the mag cure was unsubstantiated but then in a recent update he said he was getting so many favourable reports from his patients that he said go ahead and take it as it can do no harm. I suppose when you think about it no cardio consultant or gp is going to take supplements seriously its just too easy

[Pommerania78 in reply to doodle68]

Have you always taken medicine? Thanks.

[TillyBoss in reply to Pommerania78]

Since last July

[doodle68 in reply to Pommerania78]

Hi Pommerania 🙂 sorry I don't understand , what kind of medicine are you referring to.

[Pommerania78 in reply to doodle68]

Afib medicine.

[doodle68 in reply to Pommerania78]

..since I was diagnosed with AF 6 years ago I have taken Apixiban and the betablocker Nebivolol the latter seems to have done very little to control my heart rate, then Flecainide which caused side effects and increased my AF episodes so was stopped . I am back on Flecainide following my ablation (which was only partially successful) it is helping to keep me in normal sinus rhythm.

[TillyBoss in reply to doodle68]

Ablation according to a lot of sufferers seems a bit hit ad miss ... I think there's a new method coming out this year... here's hoping

[doodle68 in reply to TillyBoss]

Hi TillyBoss , I would not want to have a new method of Ablation for some time, the expertise and experience of the Electrophysiologist is very important the more the better.

The new Pulse Field Ablation was supposed to be an improvement on the older methods but I would rather have an experienced EP using a method he has performed hundreds of times, that way if there is a problem he is likely to have seen it before and will know what to do.

[TillyBoss in reply to doodle68]

Probably a good idea.... I suppose do the research on the doctors... I read where some dissatisfied American patients were going to Bordeaux!

[TillyBoss]

orthomolecular.org/resource...

Hello all, the above is the address which gives a more thorough explanation. I hope it works. I was using my phone when I posted and it is a bit too long for typing it in. He also cites a european study. I hope somebody reads it and comments as I'm interested. I have afib for a few years but only discovered last July. My Fitbit sleep app has only been showing simplified data since July presumably because it couldn't get a consistent heart rate. Two weeks ago, for some reason, I felt good heart-wise. The same night my Fitbit began to give me proper sleep readings, rem, deep sleep etc. and I was very excited as it lasted 10 nights on the trot. Unfortunately it has gone back to basic sleep details for the last 4 nights and I had a very restless night last night,

I remember I had a large banana at the start of the 'good times' and thought it might be the potassium. Also I have been taking Nexium for a few years and I believe that it interrupts the absorption of potassium so that might be another angle. The reason I say this is that the doctors, as well as prescribing extra rosuvastatin 40 mg, ezetimibe, apixaban, bisop, along with my usual levothyroxine have also put pantoprazole, a proton pump inhibitor, on the list which I think might interfere with the absorption of potassium. Pantoprazole is 40 mg, Nexium, an otc, is 20 mg.

[SK031252 in reply to TillyBoss]

why are you on two ppis. medium and pastorale??

[TillyBoss in reply to TillyBoss]

I'm not I was just pointing out the strength of nexium and reading back did it awkwardly, apologies

[WildIris]

I read the link you provided. It seems like its worth a try. I'd be cautious with potassium though, like others have said. If you eat fresh fruits and veggies, you probably have plenty.

[TillyBoss in reply to WildIris]

I will see the doc first and get a proper measure of my potassium level