Does anyone know about tyramine? I just happened to come across some articles about tyramine. It is an amino acid that helps with the brain and nervous system functions. CDreamer, Auriculaire. Do you two know about tyramine? Apparently too much of it can cause cause heart palpitations and lead to Afib. It can cause other problems too. recently started eating prunes and think the tyramine in them could be causing me to have extra palpitations. Don't know for sure. I also have a smoothie every morning with banana and avocado which also contain tyramine. But that never seemed to bother me. Maybe the prunes were a little too much. Also dark chocolate has high tyramine. And I eat some every day. So much we don't know. There is a medication that counteracts high tyramine levels for those who have problems with it. So it's something the medical system certainly knows about. But whether all Drs even consider tyramine to be a cause of Afib is another story. I tend to doubt many do. 🙄😒 Anyway I think it's something worth reading about. Sorry again I can't send a link. My cellphone isn't the best.
Everyone take care.
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Hi Belinda - yes I knew about Tyramine. It doesn’t seem to be a factor for me as I eat foods rich in Tyramine every day such as cheese, sauerkraut, kimchi and I just started with prunes for the Boran for osteoporosis but I know quite a few posters here who do find those foods a problem.
My understanding was that it can be more of a problem for those with high BP - see the report below. I have unusually low BP so that maybe is why it doesn’t affect me? We all react very differently anyway here are a few of the links
Tyramine can increase blood pressure and can trigger an AFib episode. Eliminating tyramine containing foods can improve the patient's condition.
Thanks for the reply. I just wish more Drs would consider looking at things like this instead of thinking that pills fix everything. Too much of the pharma companies and insurance companies pushing the pills and ruling over the Drs. You are so fortunate to be getting good care and have Drs who look for causes. I know bringing up this to my Drs would only illicit blank stares. Or a look that I'm some nut. 😒Take care.
As long as you are aware - you do a lot of your own research as many of us do and so we find the links. We don’t need a Doctor’s approval to experiment with foods that help and avoid those that hinder. Doctors are trained in pharmaceuticals and biochemistry and very few have any idea about Nutrition or are interested in that. I’ve just been incredibly lucky to literally fall over Doctor’s who are interested and knowledgeable so it has eased my journey as they will always only resort to pharmaceuticals as a last resort.
Yes I will have to do my own research. Sad. But you know, my partner and I were both sick in May. Tested negative for covid. And the "flu" was going around already. Dr had no idea what we had. I'm thinking whatever it was is causing my problems. As I'm having some gastro issues too and the microbiome has probably been compromised. Funny. I'm seeing a gastro Dr this Wednesday. She's young so I don't think she's been in practice long. I'll bring it up to her. But I bet I'll get the blank stare......
Doctors are not really trained in biochemistry . Most GPs have a sketchy knowledge at best. They are trained to memorise what drug to give for what condition. Our granddaughter 's aunt on her father's side is a respiratory diseases consultant and told her that medical education for the most part consists of learning to recognise diseases and give the appropriate drug and not to delve into causes . So sticking plasters basically as the drugs mostly just suppress symptoms but no way address the root problem which is often in lifestyle or genetics or a combo of the two.
That's what Drs do now with their computers. Looking up what drug to prescribe for the symptoms you give them. Don't ask you anything else. God forbid you try to discuss anything with them. That is taboo nowadays. I think most Drs who believe in God believe that because they have MD or whatever designation after their names, it's an automatic pass to Heaven. I tend to believe the opposite.
Yes I read tomatoes are high in tyramine. Some fruits that get over ripe. Processed foods. Fermented foods. I read that we should not eat left overs especially meats as leaving them in the fridge for a couple days causes the tyramine to go up. Geez. What is a person to eat!!!??? 😣😂😂Thanks for replying. Take care.
Agreed - I used to find mature cheese and steaks (yummy!) would almost guarantee an night of A-Fib. At least I know about them. It's the ones that have high hidden tyramine levels that are the real problem as a trigger. ☹️
Hi. I realised that foods with high amounts of tyramine was causing my afib. Since then I’ve avoid all cured meats, peperami and salami being the worst culprits for me, plus strong cheeses such as Stilton are a no no. It is now very rare that I have an episode, if I do it’s usually my own fault through over doing alcohol.
I did not know about tyramine Belinda but it seems to be in lots of food! At the moment we have a glut of tomatoes as all the plants are ripening at once. I can't say I've noticed afib attacks being linked to any specific foods.
Long before my AF was diagnosed I developed severe hives every time I drank any alcohol due to a sensitively with alcohol. I took telfast antihistamine prescribed by my GP.
Fast forward 15 years I developed AF. At around the same time there was a growing list of foods including yoghurt and chocolate, that have me instant blisters on my mouth, spoke to GP.
Then I was referred to an allergy specialist who suggested I had a tryamine and histamine intolerance and to help reset my body she gave me a food information leaflet, which said: no brewed, stewed or fermented food, no food with preservatives in. Lots of different fruits and veg were not allowed and not were any spices. However by sticking to it for around 4 months and taking a daily antihistamine tablet it completely went. For me the diet was very restricted. Just after I'd completed this I had a cardioversion sadly my AF. returned. Five years later as long as I try to stick to a mainly fresh, natural diet I'm symptom free.
Interesting. I'd never get a referral to see an allergist with my insurance. Even if I try to bring up something like this to the Dr I usually get the blank stare. How dare I ask a question about anything. I try to stay on a good diet. I just happened to come across an article about the tyramine. Had no idea about it. One just thinks eating a good diet should be safe. But we don't always know what's in the "good" foods we eat.
I am new to afib, but already tyramine is playing a big role. I did a challenge, staying low tyramine and then trying a spoonful of peanut butter. Within an hour I was in afib!
It was similar to a case study in the BMJ:
Atrial fibrillation precipitated by tyramine containing foods. FREE
L H Jacob, D B Carron
Abstract
Episodes of atrial fibrillation that occurred after meals developed in a 60 year old man with a history of ischaemic heart disease. The attacks were precipitated by precursors and metabolites of tyramine and tyramine containing foods and drinks, in the absence of monoamine oxidase inhibitors. The patient has remained free of atrial fibrillation for the past twelve months on a diet that does not contain tyramine.
I too would love more information about tyramine. It is frustrating to read the lists of high and low tyramine foods, because they differ dramatically.
Louise, it would be lovely to know what foods your allergist suggested you avoid that is working so well for you!
I am also wondering if there is anything we can do to increase our ability to handle tyramine.
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