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Government covid 19 adverse reactions statistics after six weeks.
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That's interesting is there a report for the Astra Zeneca vaccine?
in reply to jeanjeannie50
I have an AZ vaccination impending, so I would be interested to know that too. Did they warn you about any possible symptoms when you had the vaccination?
jeanjeannie50 in reply to
I was given a leaflet detailing them after having the vaccine.
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I just had the AZ vaccine a couple of hours ago and am going to read the leaflet later. The nurse did say that you could get flu-like symptoms, headaches etc., but said that it shouldn’t affect AF.
jeanjeannie50 in reply to
I only read my leaflet today and am fine now. I had my jab at 2.20pm on Thursday and didn't feel ill until the next morning and all that day.
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I have noticed quite strong palpitations and and a faster than usual heart rate with some ectopics. since I returned home. I’m not sure if this the vaccine, or because I cycled several miles to the surgery in sub-zero temperatures because my car is at the garage.
jeanjeannie50 in reply to
Oh dear you'll never know! I've certainly become more aware of my heart bumping around since I had the vaccine, but I'm doing my best to ignore it. Know that if I hone in on it, then it will get a lot worse.
Hi jj50 , I have pdf , I don't think I can post it here .
BobDVolunteer
Actually I find that very re-assuring. Out of 12million people? 4000+ of those reacations were normal fatigue! Let's keep a sense of proportion and no scare mongering please.
We are all different Bob , what scares me might not you ?
But the numbers are very very low and most of the problems listed are known things like sore arm or flu like sysmptoms we were told about to start with. It just confirms how very safe these things are. If you do a meta analysis of any product you will get numbers like that. Take a flu remedy for example and see how many people get palpitaions. A lot higher percentage I am sure.
I bet if you wanted to go on holiday to Africa and needed yellow fever injection or anti malaraia meds you wouldn't worry.
Glad I read your reply first before looking at this link. I'm in my hyper anxiety phase at the moment.
I agree with Bob, out of 12,000,000, and how many lives will have been saved by not getting the disease and passing it on to others?. all drugs have risks, try reading the leaflets that comes in every drug packet and you would never take anything.
Well said Bob! Some of us haven’t had the jab yet!
Proportionally those are very low numbers of reported reactions for, I’m guessing, about 6 million doses? I note the reported because on any one day I wonder how many people report that number of symptoms anyways?
I’m no statistician but that would equal approximately 0.009% of those vaccinated with Pfitzer reported symptoms they suspect may have been caused because they occurred in the days/weeks after taking the vaccine.
I’m far more scared of catching the virus as I know it would kill me and not because of AF but because I’m immune suppressed.
Update on anaphylactic reactions to the mRNA Covid-19 vaccinations. Real numbers are in. Take a look. jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...
This might reassure you.
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jeanjeannie50 in reply to
Thank you for posting this Badger. The only comment I can make is so many people are unaware of the Yellow Card reporting facility. I know that my granddaughter and her university friends who were all poorly for a few days after having the Astra Zeneca jab haven't reported it. Neither would a lot of elderly non computer savvy elderly people. So I don't believe this report is a true representation of the side effects.
I had the Astra Zeneca vaccine on Thursday, have since had a headache, aching body, fatigue and loss of appetite. Today for the second time I've woken with a headache, something that I never ever have.
I believe we must all speak as we find and not be bullied into keeping quiet by others.
Jean
I hope you feel better soon Jean 💐 I’m fully expecting to feel the same after mine on Wednesday as I always feel unwell after my flu jab. Have you managed to cope without paracetamol?
I heard a medic saying don't take paracetamol unless essential as it restricts the body doing what it is supposed to do to make the vaccine most effective. Confusing as I know the mainstream advice is take it if you have a problem.
No paracetamol as I didn't have a fever or bad pain. Felt drained, heady and had no appetite. Slept for 2 hours in the afternoon.
If you know what the symptoms and after effects of the 🦠 are wouldn’t you feel that’s a small price to pay? As I understand it the only possibly fatal effect of the Pfizer jab is an anaphylactic reaction which is why I had to wait half an hour instead of the usual 15 minutes. As there were staff on hand to deal with that eventuality I decided to go ahead.
I thought the Yellow Card scheme was for reporting atypical side effects?
The Yellow Card is for reporting any side effects of drugs.
I would have preferred to have had the Pfizer jab as I'd seen on here that few had after effects with that. I did ask but nurse said it was an AZ day and they never knew each day what they would be using until they came in. I had the choice then of walking away or having the AZ jab and chose to have that.
Not true. There have been cases of death from thrombocytopenia after the Pfizer jab. This is an autoimmune reaction which destroys platelets. It is very rare but has been associated with other vaccines as well. It is not always fatal .
Thank you 💜
1 report of 1 fatality which has not yet been proven, as far as I know?
Yes but how do you prove it? The vaccine manufacturers always say that these things are nothing to do with the vaccine. They said the case of transverse myelitis during one of the clinical trials was not due to the vaccine either. The NYT report into Michael's death said that an expert in blood disorders from Johns Hopkins had said he thought it was it was a medical certainty that it was vaccine related. There have been cases of idiopathic thrombocytopenia after other vaccines - flu , MMR, DTP, hep A, Gardasil. They are very rare but they happen.
Yes the symptoms I had were a small price to pay for immunity to covid, but unfortunately they came shortly after two weeks of feeling at deaths door.
Even better, you can look forward to getting rid of that gallbladder more safely.
I expect most people who have the OxfordAZ vaccine have similar ( plenty here report it) as this is what people are told to expect. It is a well known consequence very widely advertised and seldom lasts more than a few days showing the vaccine is working. Hope you feel better soon Jean.
Try massaging forehead with a few drops of lavender oil diluted in some almond oil.
Or peppermint — I rarely get headaches, but peppermint oil is my go-to when I do. Works super-fast 
How come your granddaughter and her university friends got the vaccines before the elderly? I am 87 and still waiting.
She and her friends do dental work, now seeing patients and gazing into their mouths. You should have been contacted before now. I'm 70 and was vaccinated this week. Have you somehow been forgotten? All above age 70 should have been done by this Monday.
Thank you for the explanation. Yes, they should certainly receive the vaccine before me. I am in Canada, and over 80s are scheduled for phase 2 of the roll out in Ontario, maybe in March. Also a shortage of vaccine supply is an issue here.
I know there's been a lot discussed over here re helping you with supplies as you're part of the commonwealth. Hope that it can be done.
Thanks so much for your concern. We are fine, staying inside. Hope this is over some day.
I would call your surgery on Monday and ask why you haven't received the vaccine yet.
I see that you live in Canada. I'm in the UK.
Hi Jean - I don’t know if you report on the Zoe COVID app which is a research project which millions report on every day.
They have a blog on the after affects - so far they only have enough meaningful results on the Pfitzer but some rather surprising results are emerging.
1/4 people have very minor reactions ie sore arm for day or two
1/7 have more serious ie headache, fatigue, loss of appetite etc
People who have had COVID seem to be more likely to experience symptoms.
I can’t give a link but you report symptoms daily & there is a long list of symptoms suggested.
The other surprising outcome is that people are more likely to react after the second jab than the first.
Sorry I can’t post a link because the blog is within the app and exclusive to those who report daily - but it’s an interesting study to join. You also get COVID tests on occasion by post to complete as part of the random testing process.
They share a lot of the information they give the government.
Thanks CD that sounds interesting. I'll see what I can find out about joining.
Here’s the link with lots of info. If you scroll down and go to the Latest Research box - there is a link with some of the info on their findings and a recording of the latest webinar on vaccines.
Thank you CJ I've subscribed and will explore more later.
For me the 'statistics' are to vague to be of much relevance...
Where have they come from are they from the Yellow Card reports ...
..What age where the people in the stats,
..what conditions did they have,
..would they have developed the conditions without the vaccination, people develop conditions and die everyday when they are not vaccinated it is a natural part of life.
Excluding health workers, a specific age group has been vaccinated, the elderly and I would expect many of them to have health conditions that predispose them to develop comorbidities at any time without having taken the vaccine .
It is all about cause and effect, very difficult to quantify .
Of course any symptoms need to be recorded following the vaccination of people but I wouldn't read much into vague statistics.
I agree with Bob and CD. I’ve just been reading this article in the BMJ showing that adverse reactions, which include a sore arm, are no worse than with any other vaccine, such as the flu.
Maybe I’m a bit odd, but I’m going to welcome any reactions I might get after my jab next week.
Another thing I’ve just read is from the ZOE (king’s College) study ... the R number has gone down to about 0.8, similar to where we were in June ... 😃
Had my Pfizer jab 10 hours ago and now my arm started to pain and I feel slightly strange. I'm glad though because it tells me it's working.
Now I'd like to see what that list of adverse reactions looks like with Covid infection instead. That would really be worrisome.
You call it adverse reactions but most of those are a list of things that look as though they would have happened anyway regardless of having the vaccine. For instance, I see 2 cases of genital herpes were reported 😱. Can that seriously be blamed on the vaccine?
That's an interesting document, thank you. I suppose that those numbers do need to be considered in the context of the very large numbers who had received the vaccine by that point and that the recipients were far from being spring chickens! 
Steve
Doctor at vaccination centre told me that the first dose Pfizer can cause sore arm, and possible slight temperature in first 24 hours, and second Pfizer can cause stronger symptoms.
By contrast the Oxford/AZ first dose can cause stronger symptoms than second dose. The first dose, may cause a sore arm but also a headache and mild flu reaction for 1-4 days in some people, but after the second dose only very mild symptoms.
None were likely to be any concern although of course not pleasant if you are one of those affected more strongly.
Original Post said “not reassuring” and I guess that could be read as alarming, whereas I think the results are par for the course and actually reassuring. In my social network everyone now vaccinated including some younger folk and no one has had a reaction that is clinically concerning, all very transient.
Good luck to all the jabbed and jabbers. My trip to the centre was wonderful. People! Chatter! Cheerful attention! Like a party..
So good to know but really to be expected and not to cause alarm.
GrannyE in reply to
So pleased to hear that the second oxford jab produced fewer symptoms. I reported my reactions. If people do not report extreme reactions how will the medics ever know? I am taking the view that my extreme reactions mean that I would have had covid really badly and that the reactions mean that my body is responding and that I will be well protected.
in reply to GrannyE
The Zoe study asks anyone who had a jab to report any symptoms however mild for many days afterwards and this will give data. Very severe reactions are likely to be reported, for obvious reasons.
CDreamer in reply to
First blog on that info just published - see my reply to Jean above. Quite interesting - I’ve been selective in the info I quoted so out of context but some surprising things starting to emerge.
My parents 84 and 77 both had the Pfizer one 3 weeks ago. Mum has a pacemaker and dad has continued AF both on Blood pressure tablets abs thinner. They were told to take paracetamol at the vaccine centre which they didNo symptoms no pain nothing from the jab to now.
My husband had the Oxford he is 61 with continued AF also took paracetamol no symptoms nothing up to now.
I always feel unwell after my flue and expect to feel unwell after this for a day or so.
BobDVolunteer
John there is an old response/belief that reducing the fever reduces the body's natural ability to kill a virus or infection . This has gained some credence recently despite there being no virus present. The symptoms people experience are I understand caused by the body being tricked into thinking there is a virus and therefore produciing antibodies. If that is so reducing the fever or headache will I suspect have no impact on how well, or not the vaccine works.
Good morning John
I don’t know how true it is, but it’s thought by some that vaccines might work better if symptoms, such as a raised temperature, are left untreated, as treatment to reduce temperature may reduce the immune response.
I’ve decided to hedge my bets and try to avoid taking paracetamol after my vaccine. That decision is harmless, and doesn’t cost anything! I’m one of those that prefers to avoid paracetamol anyway, so an easy decision 😊
Paracetamol should be avoided anyway as it's bad for the liver and the function of our mitochondria. I find it makes me feel bloated - not good for afib! . After my hip op the nurses would dole out 3000 mg a day automatically. I refused to take any but the morning dose. I wanted to keep track of my pain and know when it reduced ,not mask it. They obviously thought I was nuts!
You’re certainly not nuts 😂
People reach for paracetamol without a thought, believing it’s a safe drug. Besides the fact that the maximum dose and the lethal dose are relatively close together, as you say it can, in some people, cause liver damage, even in recommended doses. Personally I prefer to conserve my liver and kidneys for other things ... like all the medications I take that require well-functioning organs.
I’ve had a lot of severe back pain in my life, had a very bad case of flu, experienced labour pain and had two c-sections so can tolerate a lot without pain relief as long as I know the pain is temporary.
Are you feeling better now since your op?
I know I have a bit of fatty liver because it was found on a scan. The scanner said it wasn't really bad for a person my age! Well this is France -the land of fois gras ( which she said no need to give up). I am due for my annual liver and kidney function tests soon so I will see if they are any worse than last years. My kidney function had declined a bit on last years after only one year on Apixaban but as it was that of a young woman before I was not that bothered. I am recovering ok from my op thank you.The physio has I think done more harm than good as the exercises exacerbate my fragile tendons and the trauma of the op seems to have brought on a relapse of my floxing symptoms so tendonitis everywhere plus a return of the sternum pain that I have not had for 2/3 years. It is a drag but there is nothing to do but wait it out. The right knee is my worst problem and I am hoping that it is the damage done by dislocating the hip and not that it too is buggered. I still can't do up my shoes and can only put the right sock on from behind. I am walking more normally - it's amazing how one year of limping and waddling around to avoid pain throws out your gait!
I doubt any effect after 3 weeks.
I had the AZ jab just over a week ago and had mild flu symptoms for about three days, I did take paracetamol (sort of Solpodol which is prescription codeine and paracetamol) because I take this daily for joint pain. Did not have a sore arm, perhaps because I put an ice pack on my arm when I got home, thought it might reduce bruising. Mr Cassie had the Pfizer jab three weeks ago, he had a very sore arm for a few days but nothing else.So we await to see the effects of the second jabs - I will use a ice pack again - always have a sore arm after flu jab but never thought of using one. I did ask the nurse after she had injected me if it was okay use one, she said yes it would help any bruising or swelling.
Cassie
BobDVolunteer
Or grown extra long! lol 😁
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We were given an information leaflet - it was in there. Side effects could be reported to GP or pharmacist but ‘adverse events’, which I took to be more serious, via the yellow card or directly to Pfizer Biontech but not both.
I got that leaflet to read in the queue - 4 pages of very small type! It had links to the Yellow card scene.
Apart from extreme nausea for 24 hours with the Astra Zeneca vaccine has anybody had a raised heart rate up to the 90s when normally 60?
I've gone through all this data, and to be honest, there are a number of things that need looking at e.g. pain at injection site - I wouldn't call this a side effect, the skin has been punctured, the immune system will be active ensuring no infection occurs, so it's a natural reaction to damaged skin, I would say that where I have warfarin checks, the pain from that is far greater than the pain from the covid jab, and lasts longer. Atrial fibrillation can occur totally out of the blue for absolutely no reason and there is rarely any precipitating factor, can they be certain that all the cases put down as a side effect, were actually caused by the jab, or how many might have been totally unrelated to the jab, I can have AFib start out of the blue when I am asleep, and it that had happened after the covid jab, I would never have reported it as a side effect as it is something that happens fairly frequently. Then there are figures for breast feeding mothers, seeing as they will probably all be under 65, I don't think they have started their group yet, unless they are care workers or medical staff. There is a figure for depressed mood, I'm clinically depressed, but not because of the vaccine, it's because I keep hearing of idiots that are deliberately flouting the rules that make it even tougher on us that have been obeying the rules for almost 12 months, staying in the entire time, shielding, etc, my daughter only lives a few miles away, she gave birth to premature twins in August, I say them once when a few weeks old when we were out of lockdown, they are almost 6 months old now and I still havent had a cuddle with them or seen them - that makes my depression worse, it's not the jab though, it's the continuing time that the lockdown gets extended and they are growing even more and I am not able to have any contact. Three parasomnias are mentioned, I have parasomnia anyway and sleep disorders, who knows if it was the vaccine that caused them any particular night, but then after 7 years of suffering, and breaking a few ribs during one bad night, maybe it was the vaccine or maybe not but I wouldn't report it as a side effect as there is nothing to say it was that. So please people, keep things in perspective, many of these reports could be just things that could, would or might have happened even if they had not had the jab. But then there were just 20329 reports from around 15 millions jabs working out to less than 0.5% reporting a side effect. I'd rather take the risk as there is a higher change of being seriously ill with covid without the jab.
Thank you for posting this! People should have informed consent to read ALL of these adverse reactions and decide for themselves if the benefit vs the risk even out for them and their health!
I am not quite sure what all the fuss is about. At age 73 during most of my childhood and teenage years I had numerous vaccinations when such things were in their comparative infancy and the information available was nothing like the plethora we get today. I am jolly grateful to have been given my initial AZ vaccine three weeks ago and my wife, who’s 68 had hers at the weekend. Hardly surprising we had similar mild symptoms for a day or so, exactly as described in the information given. I have every confidence in our regulators and NHS to get this predominantly right for the vast majority which is all one can hope for in such a mass exercise.
For what it’s worth the only virus eradicated in my lifetime was smallpox- a terrible disease yet much less complicated to detect and treat.
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