Hi all, in total I've had 3 covid jabs since the first vaccine was produced. First one was Astra Z with zero reaction what so ever, second one was Moderna which gave me a banging headache and the third which was last Wednesday was Pfizer, this one has given me a few hours of shivering and palpitations galore which I still have today.
I was just wondering if anyone else has had this reaction? I'm not anti-vax by the way and I'm not interested in the great debate, quite the opposite, but it's really given me something to think about going forward whether I put my ticker through this again or take a punt on not catching anything. Cheers Dave.
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I’d say it’s up to you at the end of the day. Gather all the evidence and make your own decision. Personally I would say that the evidence leans towards the fact that covid has now mutated in to a more contagious yet far less potent virus. Regardless of how it was perceived before. It’s up to each individual to make up their own mind at the end of the day but personally I would say you’ll be fine without.
I had two both AstraZeneca and had a reaction to both. Won’t be having anymore.
I’ve had 4 jabs. First 3 Pfizer / BioNtech (2 original plus Autumn ‘21 booster) and last month had the Moderna (Spikevax). Other than the discomfort for a few days from the actual needle, I had absolutely no side effects and none brought on an episode of Flutter / AF. As I understand, vaccines are not so good at protecting you from catching the current strains of Covid, but they do prevent serious illness and keep you out of hospital and ICU. Hospitals are under enough pressure at the moment as it is. I also believe I may have developed a long term lung issue from when I caught Covid in Jan 22 (I was not hospitalised but stayed isolated in bed for 5 days) which may have been significantly worse had I not had 2 x vaccine + 1 x booster before hand. Vaccines are not risk free but we each need to weight up our own individual risks from the vaccine but not forget the risks from catching Covid unprotected.
My husband, age 60, with a sound heart, its me with an arrhythmia, had his booster a week last Tuesday, that was his fourth jab. Two x Astra zeneca, two x Pfizer. He has been so poorly we were getting really concerned. He was so ill in bed for three days and very very slowly started to get better but kept relapsing and no he hasnt had flu or covid its purely a reaction to this last jab . Make of it what you will and no we are not anti vaxxers if anything just the opposite.
Our daughter said her father in law of a similar age was equally poorly as was my husbands younger sister. We have both had the flu jab a few weeks ago and other than my sore arm neither of us felt any after effects.
Thank you. We were somewhat surprised at his reaction but as you say there appears to be quite a lot of it about. I trust you and your family are well currently.
I'm sure by virtue alone of the number of people being vaccinated there will be more and more reports of reactions- some people will have a reaction to various vaccines, I recall with thetyphoid ones I needed years ago, my arm became red and swollen and I was ill for several days. My friend who was accompanying me on the same trip, had no reaction at all to the same vaccine given at the same time.
Are you sure it wasn't covid? I went down with it two days after my 5th jab and did test positive as did the rest of the family who had not had the jab. Lots of false results from testing.
Yes sure. It was the first thing we thought of and did a covid test twice, one the next day and then two days after when things were still rough just to be sure. Our daughters father in law who is a highly regarded medical prosessional had the same thing for a similar length of time and tested himself at least twice but was covid free. Just one of those things I guess.
I was visiting my boat last friday nr camebridge, I was saying hi to a fellow boater, john, just up from london area, he appeared to be sort of quiet which is unusual for him, hi says I, hows things, not good says john, I was up through night with like heart palpatations, it was weird says he, ( a fit bloke 42 yrs ) frightened at time, never happened before, still not right, he went on to tell me he'd had booster the afternoon before ! coincidence ? ? .. I hope everythings alright with yourselves
To be honest he left saturday dinner, I dont have his contact as he's a boater aquaintance more than personal friend, so i'm hoping the lads ok, has you rightly say it's not good, when it happens to us or our kin its more of a concern / invlved, anyway best wishes !!
Forgive me, John, but I must correct you. The vacc is devided in several smaller dozes. Each gets the same doze when being jabbed once, but not all will receive the same overall doze. My cousine has received one doze, and it was enough in her case. The stronger ones will need many more, maybe up to 7-8. Each, according to his/her body mass, body condittion, comorbidities,...
I had 3 Pfizer’s which totally zapped me, made me shiver and shake and gave me palpitations for days - the third one gave me palpable for weeks. The 4th one I had was Novavax (do you have that in the UK?). I had no problem whatsoever with that one.
Hi Kaz, hope you are well and thanks for the reply. Don't think we have Novavax, the Pfizer one definitely rocked my boat though.... fingers crossed on the right side now after 3 miserable days 🙄
Here t Astra Zeniva jabs were only recommended for people over 60. The Novavax wasn’t introduced until way down the track.
I’m well. I flew interstate yesterday to visit family but there was a major storm here yesterday and I couldn’t get to their town as all the roads in were flooded. I stayed in an old hotel with a comfy, clean bed but shared bathrooms down the hall. Hopefully the roads are open today. My 1 hour drive from the airport took 3 hours and I still didn’t reach my destination. I’m traveling alone so yesterday wasn’t good for my stress levels 🙃. Good job I love an adventure.
Hi Kaz - how ya doin’? Just thinking the other day I hadn’t seen a post from your for while. Heard Aus is having some bad storms - stay safe and travel well.
I’m good. I finally made it to my uncle’s town today so spent a lovely day with the family. He is mum’s 86 year old brother so he’s telling me lots about the family for my family tree.
Kaz can I just ask, when you had palpitations for weeks after the Pfizer did they just fade away or did you get extra meds? Also how many weeks please? Still suffering here 🙄
I checked my diary. My third Pfizer was 14th January and I saw my cardiologist on 21st February and my heart was still playing up. He recommended taking magnesium in the mornings as well as having my usual evening dose and increased my Attenolol. I was having 1/2 tablets (50mg tablets) each night so he said to alternate between a full tablet and 1/2 tablet each day. It settled down a week or so after that but I still get occasional issues.
Thanks for the reply Kaz, coincidentally I bought some Magnesium citrate yesterday, so will start taking that and see what happens. I'm on day 9 since the jab so might have a while to go yet judging by your experience. Never used Attenolol before. I can tolerate the palpitations until night time when they stop me sleeping... what a pain! take care, Dave.
I think everyone reacts differently. I had reactions to all 5 of mine, 4/5 Pfitzer and similar reactions to yourself which all cleared in about 72 hours. Not so the Moderna (more women struggle with the Moderna I am learning). Put me in bed for 3 weeks, I felt almost as bad as I had done with the COVID - and that was so bad I wanted to die and I don’t say that lightly as those who know me will tell you I’m quite stoic.
I won’t be having any more COVID jabs now. I’m off tomorrow for my Shingles jab, not looking forward to that one as I understand that can floor you too. 😱
You are quite right. Everyone reacts differently. You have had a rotten time. Had dreadful reactions to 4 out of my 5 jabs. 2nd AZ OK. Shaking. Jerking, temp, headache, heart all over the place, muscle aches. aching arm on and off for at least a month etc. 5th jab all of the above plus two cysts. One on my leg and one under my eye. Very painful. Antibiotics plus antibiotic eye ointment. Both cysts still there but not painful and not so big or red. Muscle aches have settled down to my usual lower back and ankle but worse than before. Took me 4/6 weeks to recover before so hoping that I will do so again shortly. Won’t be having a 6th jab!
Sorry to hear that. One expects a sore arm or mild viral symptoms for a day or two - but not to be disabled for weeks and that’s what I am hearing. I counted the number of people I personally know at 10 who have long term affects ie: longer than a week.
It seems like your body needs a break, hopefully you're well protected for a while! That's a lot of symptoms to experience and put up with. Rest and self-care is what you need.
My brother (who also has intermittent afib) had 12 hours of palpitations after his first Pfizer. I thought it was concerning but he didn't. I don't think he experienced that again.
Unfortunatelly, she deceased after one shot... Regards, John!
Yes Dave same here after second pfizer off to hospital with bad attack of AF kept me in for four days to much of a coincidence with years of only very mild AF
Jhnm, I had an awful afib attack 4 days after the Pfizir jab, too much of a coincidence for me even though a few days after. Went on for 34 hours before reverting NSR. I do get attacks but have been about 3 per year up till now. I only hope they don't get more frequent
Your right it is awful i wished i could give it to one of these people that just say dont worry about it, just try it for one night at 2 in the morning when you live alone i think you get what i mean has you have AF too and yes ok now it was a few months ago
Jhnm, yes I am on my own, doesn't matter how many people tell you to distract yourself it's not life threatening it doesn't make any difference. My friend has just had a holter monitor as they think he has afib. We talk and he tells me he feels his heart jumping about but has convinced himself it's ectopic beats, but I don't think so he gets it too frequently. Do your episodes go on for a long time and how often do you get them?
Mine nearly always start in the middle of the night so much so I think my heart wakes me up pounding from anxiety and I have been known to take my pulse in the middle of the night. My EP says "why would you want to do that?" I felt like saying because it scares the shite out of me 🤪
By the way Karen im john and the episodes i get are few and far between but i get very short runs of AF every day and the ectopics just don't stop and drive me mad especially in the bloody night only had two real bad AF attacks in the last few years covid jab i know triggered the last one and the cardiologist stood at my bedside and said millions of ppl live with this but if you dont revert back soon we will afto stop your heart and restart it but dont worry its not as bad as it sounds i said have you had AF or your heart stoped then started again not personally he said i wished i could of changed places with him for a few hrs so i could tell him of a not so bad way of we are going to stop your heart no one know what this feels like do they Karen unless have had it💓
Hi John, feels so much better when you know others have the same anxieties. I get worried going away, 'am I going to get an attack', get scared what to eat as some say sugar and chocolate can be a trigger. I used to love my wine but dare not touch it now, over 2 years. Feel like my life is slipping through my hands like sand now, I used to be such a sociable, happy sole, but worry takes me over sometimes. If you don't mind me asking what meds are you on? Have you had an ablation? My EP says I have afib and possibly flutter. I have to pay to see him privately as waiting is just too long.
I take sotalol 40mg X3 times a day and apixaban 5mg twice daily.
I am even more frightened as my dad had afib, he passed away when he was 60 as he fell and had a brain haemorrhage 4 days before Christmas in 1988 😥♥️
Hiya, just reading your post, have you thought of having CBT? it should help with your anxiety. I have exactly the same struggle as you mentioned and I've just started a CBT course via the NHS in the UK. Wishing you all the best and keep your chin up. It's not easy dealing with this condition but try not to let it wear you down.Take care 👍
Good way of putting it Karen life slipping away not wanting to go anywhere people saying oh cheer up they just dont understand i know exactly what you mean and these bloody tablets are half the problem bisoprolol 7.5 apixaban 5mg twice a day felodipine 10mg perindopril 8mg and a few more its like walking on wet sand up hill on a hot day and i work six days a week what part of the land are you on Karen im in Birmingham the bit with no sand good job
Hi John, I am in a village just outside Ashby-de-la-Zouch in Leicestershire. I do know Birmingham though as I used to go there in my previous job, nightmare traffic!Yes, I do still work too so it's really tough. I also look after my 94 year old mum. The stress of that makes me worse.
If you don't mind me asking do you ever wake up thinking 'is my heart pounding, am I in afib?' I think I have got paranoid about it now, just waiting for the next attack! Have you had an ablation or would you consider one? My EP says that would be my next step 🥺
Yes Karen i wake with heart going a bit fast think it may be dreams or food before sleep cant realy explain in txt but i know the difference i tried leaving my email address but it says not to
Hello Karen and no it wont send it just says not wise to then nothing happens when i press send but il try again becouse i have so much to say on the subject that may help and vise versa jhnmllngtn@aol.com
I've had four shots of all types, all gave me reactions which I take as a sign they are tickling my immune system and educating it on what COVID looks like. I look at it like I do the flu shot something I will do as required.
Yep! I had an ablation in 2015 which completely knocked ALL aFib out of my system…until…September 2021 when I had my first Pfizer jab. Five years of consistent sinus rhythm then on that very day, aFib returned and has been a monthly episode since then. I never went in for a 2nd jab after that, and each month as I go into aFib, I’m reminded why. And, I’ve never tested positive for COVID.
Like you I had the Pfizer jab for the first time a month ago. I had a reaction to the Moderna, heart disrupted and blood pressure up for a few days, but much worse with the Pfizer. I finished up after 3 days with malignant hypertension, blood pressure 197/123. I’m now on medication to control it and have an appointment with a cardiologist next week. GP can’t find any cause other than the jab for the BP issues, plus erratic heart rate. I’m not anti vax but wouldn’t have another!
I know a fair number of medical professionals who are not having it themselves. So that's food for thought. Specifically, I was told by someone - lets call them a physiotherapist although that's not what are they are - who says they would see a corresponding uptick in patients at their surgery within the same age cohort who were in the phase of receiving the jab when it was first administered
So when it was 60+ they'd have a skewed uptick of patients in that age range some with sudden onset of symptoms, some irreversible
Then as it moved on to other ages, the same thing, it became a predictable pattern. That person decided to not have any jabs based on what they were seeing.
I take a lot of taxi's as I'm ill, and I always chat and I have just too many random conversations where someone shares that they had the (it seems to be the third onwards where issues can start) third jab and now have ongoing problems like muscle pain in the arm and neck. And two ( and I find this a big coincidence) had a sudden onset of shingles. One taxi driver said his wife has been struggling to get out of bed since she had the third.
Now for balance, I have not had the jab and caught covid twice thus far, and both times were pretty nasty, but I recovered well from the first, (it took 3 months though) but the second time (the so-called less serious Omicron) absolutely wiped me out. I had antibodies with the first for ages, but my luck ran out. I have fibromyalgia as well as thyroid problems and asthma and a super hyper-vigilant immune system and it seemed to stoke this into a fire, so my immune system overreacted and I was super super exhausted, which I actually thought was impossible considering how tired I was before, the inflammation it caused in my upper airway resulted in a secondary infection and I had antibiotics (which did nothing) so it took over 6 months to improve. My chest still feels a bit sore at times.
I now have chronic urticaria and although I've had bouts before in the past, this time it isn't stopping and I am wondering (its been nearly a year since I caught it) whether I have some bit of omicron left and my body is perpetually reacting to it or whether it just primed my system and now it's overreacting to the usual allergens. I do think it's played a part somewhere. I'm still not persuaded to get a jab but then, I'm consistent and bloody-minded about ALL health interventions and only take the barest amount of pain medication despite being in sometimes great pain with my fibro.
So overall, I'd say the truth is you could be damned if you do and equally or more damned if you don't. Both courses of action are intentional. But the risk of long term health implications are statistically higher without the jab. The question is how long between jabs is that stat higher for and how high?
But I think if someone is thinking about giving themselves a rest from the top-ups, now would seem to be a safer time to do so, as overall as by now most people have antibodies at any one time and it appears to be less lethal. Giving your body a break makes sense. I truly can't see even the ardently pro-jab person having every booster for the next decade.
Shingles apparently a thing with the latest Pfizer Bivalent- triggered mine. And this I relate to - giving your body a break - so it can get its own systems working.
I’ve had an AZ and two Moderna. No reaction at all to the AZ. I suspected pericarditis or myocarditis after the first Modera but was unable to access any health professionals to confirm (I reported on the yellow card system). I didn’t fully recover for 4-5 months. Of course, it may have been coincidental. The second Moderna left me with the typical short-term minor symptoms.
I’ve had 3 so far. All Pfizer. I’ve been AF free since my ablation in 2016 and suffered no reaction to any of the jabs. Literally nothing, not even a sore arm.
I did contract Covid but the symptoms were very mild.
I've had 2 AZ, 1 Pfizer and one Moderna. I only had a reaction to the first AZ when I had flu like symptoms for about a week. DH and I both caught Covid a few weeks after the 4th jab but it was so slight we just thought we had colds initially. My AFib remained the same. Unfortunately I passed Covid on to my son (early 50s) who was quite poorly.
I do believe the 1st AZ vaccine sent me from Paroxsysmal to Persistent.No attacks in 6 months and only 2 in 18 months .Then the day after 1st AZ went Tachy then persistent.20 months now.Still had further jabs as offered.Latest one really not sure but thought well if it causes problems it might push me up the waiting list.Yes had side effects.Felt like liquid pain all over my body & like flue.Put me to bed for half a day.
hiya, I’ve had four shots, each time I get a very bad tummy with diarrhoea however, it soon passes, apart from that nothing else not even a bad arm. I’m sure along with the influenza vaccine it will become a way of life.
I think it's important we feel able to share experiences. These are mine: 1st AZ - 2 days feeling distinctly fluey; 2nd AZ - sore arm; 1st Pfizer booster + flu - kicked in after 12 hours with fatigue, sore throat and slightly swollen glands, left after 24 hours; the most recent Pfizer Bivalent- reactivated my shingles. Apparently it's not uncommon- friend of mine in our small rural town warned me about it and our surgery have had several reports. Not a bad attack but made me feel low, shivery and tired for about 5 days. Also had a sore throat and swollen glands along with moderate nerve pain and the route of the rash just starting to show up. No palpitations but my BP always rockets when my immune system is up. So I'd say - if you are prone to shingles - ask for a shingles jab first. I'm a bit too young. Now waiting for my flu jab, which I put off due to the other reaction.
Glad I have had the shingles jab when first offered. My Mother and my wife have had shingles - my Mother had it on her face ( I think she was in her early 60's then and on her first visit to my brother who had just moved to South Africa with his job) and was left with a crooked mouth as the nerves were damaged. My wife had it many years ago when a teenager and says how awful it was and how the pain remained for years seeming to come back when she was over tired and stressed for many years afterwards. At the moment she is too young to have the jab but will definitely have it as soon as she can. I had the jab the year I qualified - I even think it was quite close to my birthday. Thankfully I have never had Shingles and hope I never do.
It's horrible! Had it in 2014 and it remains an early warning system for being stressed or overtired for me. Luckily my post herpetic pain is usually mild to moderate.
Nope. This was my third bout and it wasn't that bad. I've heard about the medication they give you - it wasn't good - so I decided the first time around not to go that route.
Please read what the post is about. It’s not anti-VAX. He is just asking if anybody has had a reaction. We’re getting into the great debate again. I’m not anti-VAX in any sense but with my recent booster I was slightly unwell for a few days. This didn’t happen with the first three jabs I had. The situation is not black and white.
Hello Dave. I was so interested to read your post. I have had a severe AF reaction after the Pfizer booster a year or so ago and was tipped into a very unpleasant scenario of permanent AF. Medicines didn’t stop it and I couldn’t take Amiodarone due to an existing lung condition. I have had my full quota of ablations. Three weeks ago I had a permanent CRT-P pacemaker fitted as part of a pace and ablate. I spoke to one of the cardiologists at the hospital I attend and he said he was hearing these stories but no research was done on my age group to be able to scientifically confirm it. Prior to the pacemaker I was in my local hospital and in the bed next to me was a female patient of my age who was admitted with heart problems which she attributed to the vaccine. She was not going to have the next booster. Reluctantly I did have the Pfizer booster two weeks ago and I had a reaction again. I won’t know for sure what went on until I go back in December for the pacing team to read what my pacemaker was doing. I am monitored remotely so it shouldn’t be a problem to check. I am definitely not antivaxxer but I would definitely prefer AZ or Modena next time. AnneL
Yellow 1944, I had a nasty afib attack 4 days after the Pfizir jab, went on for 34 hours although a bit delayed I still think it was the vaccine kicking my immune system. I also got Polymyalgia after the second Pfizir. My 3rd booster was Moderna with no problems
Had 3 Pfizer and 1 Moderna. No reaction whatsoever to Pfizer, one of which I had at same time as flu jab. Felt a bit achy for a day after recent Moderna but nothing much. Was fine after 24 hours. Never experienced palpitations after receiving the jabs and they never brought on any afib attacks. Incidentally my partner contracted Covid during the summer and was “under the weather” for 10 days. We continued to live side by side in my small cottage and share a bed. I never got it. I say thank God and the scientists for the vaccine. I personally will take advantage of whatever is offered. We all have the free will to make our own decisions in this country thankfully.
good morning, I have only had 1 and will not have anymore, please remember this is just my opinion but it is all recorded on my medical history.
On a Saturday morning I had my Covid jab , that afternoon I slept and when I woke up felt a little odd, early hours of Sunday my heart beat became unstable, Sunday afternoon I was in casualty with the pads on ready to resuscitate me and alarms going off like mad , my heart beat was going from 30 to 165 in the blink of an eye .
I stayed on the cardio ward for a week and after lots of test then and over the year I’m still getting palpitations etc taking Adizam and clopidogrel and seeing heart professionals .
Long story short , I had no history of heart trouble and was pretty healthy apart from well controlled asthma……it could have been coincidence but I’m not taking any chances 😷😊
Oh believe me you don’t want covid. Far far worse than the jabs in my case
I have had jabs and was due for the 5th on Wednesday about 4-5 weeks ago when I went down with covid on the Tuesday day before All our jabs were pfizer and absolutely no reaction.
With covid though it was massively banging headache which paracetamol would not touch, bad sore throat, pains in my back and kidneys, shaking, shivering for about 3 days, sweating, cold, difficult to breath had to be taken to the covid hub (acute illness clinic)
Then on top of that I had covid induced lung/chest infection, then pneumonia
All that even though been negative for over 2 weeks has now messed up my heart which has been good for so long. Afib and dropped/extra beats every about 8 beats, flurries of palpitations/tachycardia, light headed, faint then bradycardia and feel terrible.
So in my experience pfizer was good and no after effects - I caught covid from my cousins who came to stay and didn’t know they had it
My meaning is if I hadn’t have had the jabs, how bad would I have been with the covid
Good luck with your decision on what to do in the future regarding jabs
Most 4th snd 5th jabs now are moderna I understand
I know that covid can range from horrible/ghastly to did not even know you had it. Surely those of us who have had 5 jabs will have immunity for some time to come or if not total immunity then will have milder symptoms.
everyone on here has a heart condition,, why would you take a jab that is known to cause issues with the heart, totally beyond my imagination i,m afraid.
What is interesting though is that not all of us have had problems with the jab some have had reactions to say the Pfizer jab and some have not - my first two were Pfizer and had no problems and didn't have problems with any of the others. Everyone is different so we all react differently.
apparently different batches yielded different results but when you weigh up the ONS reports the whole thing is questionable, as to efficacy and adverse effects, and even if there was a batch that yielded bad effects it cant be ignored forever, im glad you havent had any ill effects Des.
morning , I had no problems with my heart until I had my one and only jab since then I’ve had nothing but problems, maybe coincidence but even Doctors agreed it was a big coincidence 🤷🏻♀️
hi hazel i do hope you recover, sincerely, everything thing cant be put down to coincidence ,especially when there are so many reports of adverse effects, a bit more time and it will all be hard to ignore.
one last winge 👍😂 i also felt bullied into having the bloody jab in the first place and it’s marked on my records now that I refuse all immunisation, so should I get I’ll they will say it’s my own fault 😡
That's bad. I would ask to see your medical records and ask if a note could be put on explaining your feelings on the matter more fully. You shouldn't be pressurised into anything -it's elective - ie if you want treatment/vaccinations/operations/procedures you agree to it and you have it if not you don't it shouldn't affect other treatments offered it may just change those further treatments - or whatever. Funnily enough we were just talking about access to your medical records and how would you change things - if when you read through you find something that has been mis-represented.
I don't have proof of this, but 4 months after omicron and the secondary infection, my GP referred me (against my knowledge) to the long covid clinic, and the clinic wrote back to me to tell me my referral was being rejected. No explanation.
Due to my refusal to have the vaccine? No jabs on my notes. Just one of those things? Who knows?
I've had 5 Covid jabs, 2 AZ, 1 Pfizer, and 2 Moderna, plus, over the years about thirty flu jabs. I have not had any significant reaction to any of them.I did have awful reactions to prescribed iron tablets. Instead of giving me more energy they took all my energy away. I could put up with the nausea, diarrhea, and black stools, but not the inability to stand up which led to me laying on the bedroom floor for nearly three hours, absolutely drained of energy.
Definitely in my case too. Now that we know more about the gut microbiome, its apparent influence on our health and its implications in the development of many chronic conditions, we really ought to be using antibiotics much more sparingly. It’s not just our individual health we need to think about but the impact of anti microbial resistance. Antibiotics won’t work when they are needed, in fact it’s already happening. Repeated courses of antibiotics will eliminate beneficial microbes from our gut with no way of getting them back. For example, Oxalobacter is absent in the majority of the US population, and we can assume similar in the UK and Europe. Oxalobacter plays a role in the prevention of kidney stones, which are prevalent in western populations. Yet in African hunter gatherer populations Oxalobacter is not depleted as in western populations and they aren’t troubled by gallstones to anywhere near the same extent, if at all. I know that’s a very simplified way of looking at it, and almost all diseases are multi factorial but we really out to be paying a lot more attention to our gut microbiome, and our mouth and skin biomes. I have a friend who won’t take the vaccine but has a poor quality diet with practically no vegetables, fruit, fibre and is also convinced that “nuts cause gallstones”and somehow believes that if she doesn’t think she can get Covid then she won’t “attract” it to herself. So I’d also add that falling for misinformation and having erroneous beliefs is also damaging to one’s health.
I’ve had 4 vaccinations with varying effects. First two were Astra Zeneca and I experienced flu like symptoms for a couple of days after the first but only mild effect after the second. Third jab was Pfizer and beyond a sore arm no real side effects. The last, which I had end September, was the Moderna from which I had no side effects at all at the time, hardly even a sore arm. However I have since developed a very strange rash on my neck (could this be related?) and I also now have Covid which I am just hoping will not be too severe. I think what this shows, as others have said, that we are all individuals and we all respond very differently. None of them, however, as far as I am aware, have triggered my AF.
Good luck with your decision!In the end it’s a calculated risk and personal choice whether to keep on having the boosters - I’m not sure whether I will have any more.
I've had 3 jabs ,AZ x 2 and pfizer and I've had similar reactions to yourself ,without the palpitations. I've also caught the illness ,in early october,which was just a sore throat, so I've decided not to bother with a 4th jab.
I think that it is good to discuss the reaction to the vaccine, or not, on here as there is very little discussed in the media.
As everyone has said, you have to make up your own mind and look at your own situation. Including where you live etc and what is your actual risk of getting Covid in the first place (live remotely and not see many people- low risk). Also look at your own health and how well are you in general. Those that I have seen in ICU tend to have higher risks (smoke, overweight etc)
We are all different and need to make good well informed decisions.
We are also so much better at treating COVID now
As someone has said, it is well documented that some of the vaccines do cause cardiac symptoms, so perhaps speak to your cardiologists
I had the first 3 no problem pfizer&astra last one maderna proper kicked my backside couldn't get out of bed for 2days then slowly got better after 4days
My 1st jab sent me into really bad a.f. l had no reaction to the 2nd and 3rd. I think as l already had a jab it wasn't such a shock to my body. The 4th jab which l believe was a combined one , against Omricon and the original covid 19 sent me into fast a,f again . Both times l had been free of a.f for months. It is unlikely that it was a coincidence both times.
I had the Pfizer jab about a month ago. That evening, I felt very cold and had a very sore arm together with a slight temperature, just 1 degree above normal. The soreness in my upper arm was so bad that I couldn't raise my arm above the horizontal without a great deal of pain. The coldness lasted about 24 hrs and the soreness gradually diminished over the next 5 days. Fortunately, I didn't notice any heart symptoms.
I'm interested in this because 12 days after my last booster I suddenly developed constant ectopics. Never had them before but they are between every 3 to 5 beats non stop every day. I'm in he middle of investigations. I get a 24 hour holter monitor tomorrow. Had 3 ECGs. three doctors have said they are a trial ectopics; two have said ventricular, one has said possible AF. It may just be a coincidence. I just don't know but I feel wo rn out with them. Immediately after my jab I had absolutely no reaction at all- not even a sore arm. Last time I felt as if I had flu for a week. All jabs have been pfizer. EDIT. I'm saying it was 12 days after b ut that's only when I noticed them. I'd been taking my BP for 5 days and never noticed the little erratic heart beat symbol so it could have been happening for much longer. as I hadn't checked my BP for a while. I only started checking because I felt unwell and breathless.
I have stage 3 heart failure plus permanent-AF. Have had 4 jabs plus the flu jab. Just sore arms and generally feeling unwell for a day or so. My meds for HF/AF are prescribed, amongst other things, to try and avoid hospitalisation, and I treat the Covid vaccine in the same way.
First three jabs Pfizer. Last two Moderna no reaction apart from a bit of a sore arm which is normal for vax. Got Covid 2 weeks after the 5th one but it was done and dusted within a week so I think that is a result. If I hadn't been travelling I wouldn't even have tested as it was just like a bad cold but no fever, no sore throat.
Recently had Covid shot #5 (Moderna), and "super" Flu (over age 65) shot at the same time, different arms. No reactions except sore arms. Flu arm was much sorer and lasted longer.
The real problem is that nobody knows how these jabs work on an individual level. The theory of their modus operandi is that the mRNA induces the body to make the spike protein of the virus ( now with the bivalents 2 different spike proteins) . This spike protein then induces the immune system to produce antibodies . The theory was also that this "operation" would take place mainly in the vicinity of the injection site and maybe involve the adjacent lymph glands. Then after a few days the mRNA would be destroyed by the body and spike protein production would stop. This was the theory. In reality the mRNA travelled further into the body. Pfizer's own biodistribution studies on animals showed it went soon after injection to various organs and accumulated particularly in the liver and ovaries . Nor did spike production stop after a few days and in answer to a question from the EMA's authorisation committee Pfizer admitted that it could last up to 2 months. Since then it has been found for longer . There is no way of knowing for how long any given individual is a spike producing factory. It could be 2/3 days but it could be 15 months ( so far the longest time found). Since the vaccines have been rolled out it has also been discovered that the spike is the most toxic part of the virus. By constantly injecting people are turning themselves into spike producing factories for long periods of time and there is no long term data on the possible repercussions of this. Nor is there likely to be any of the most reliable data ie from an RCT as both Pfizer and Moderna trashed their clinical trials by vaccinating the majority of the placebo group within 6 months. Theoretically the trials have not ended but with the destruction of the placebo arms they are pretty worthless.
Oh. Thank you for such an informed response! It is most helpful as many of us are in the dark as to exact HOW the process works. So in the case if the Bivalent there was something that hung out in my system. I thought I was OK after the 'usual' 36 hours then literally the got walloped with a wave of sweat during a very gentle yoga class, had to lie down and genuinely felt I couldn't get up again. Husband kindly collected me. Next day we saw the Shingles reactivated.
The reactivation of shingles has been a feature right from the beginning and has happened with both the mRNA vaccines and the adenovirus vector vaccines . It is a sign that the immune system which keeps varicella virus dormant normally is not working properly. I have read somewhere about the mechanism for this but can't remember where!
I have had five vaccinations/boosters as I am immunocompromised. I haven't had much of a reaction to any of them apart from a sore arm for a couple of days. I had Covid in the summer and was amazed (and relieved) how mildly I was affected. Perhaps I would have also been mildly affected without the jabs but I wasn't prepared to take the chance.
The days previous to the jab were about 10-15 palpitations per day which is normal for me since my ablation in 2018. Since the jab I'd say I'm getting 200-300 a day, today is the first day since the jab (which was last Wednesday) that I'm starting to get a improvement / reduction. It's definitely a side effect of the vaccine, I had covid the first week of August this year and had the same reaction as I'm having now. Hopefully back to normal in a couple of days 🤞🙏
Thanks to everyone for commenting on my post, it's given us all a real insight into the possible consequences of being jabbed both good and bad. I'm getting a breather from the palpitations today, they are still more frequent than normal but I'm hopeful that today is the turning point.I hope we have all learned a few tips from this thread to help us make an informed decision in the future.
Thank you for raising this topic, it has been reassuring to me to find I am not alone in reacting badly to the vaccine. My second (& final) Pfizer jab was at the start of May 2021. It was followed by two blue light ambulance dashes to A&E resuss. A very frightening experience I have no wish to repeat. I reported using the yellow card system and hope others will have done this too. I was put under a lot of pressure to have the boosters but do not intend to have any more. I paid to have an antibody test which was positive, indicating that I’d been infected with Covid. The only time I had been ill was in April 2020 prior to testing and vaccines when the more severe version of Covid was circulating - it was reassuring to know that my immune system had dealt with it.
I have no issue with other vaccines, I always have the flu jab and had the pneumonia one a few months ago.
That's a scary experience, I'm not that bad but palpitations still going all through the night 🙄 hoping things will settle this week.... Hope you are well now.
You may well be right John but I for one do not want to take the risk. My daughter who works in the NHS says that the majority of Covid admissions are the unvaccinated or those who have not kept up their boosters. To each their own in the end but I know of a couple of people who had the boosters who were badly affected but if they had not been vaxed then they would probably have ended up in hospital.
I have paroxysmal afib diagnosed 2 years ago but I am medicated so my episodes have been intermittent about 3 times per year. I had the 2nd Pfizer jab back in May 2021 and a week or so later started with PMR. My third vaccine was Moderna and I was ok. When I went for my booster a week ago it was Pfizir and I was very nervous. I couldn't track the Moderna down so I bit the bullet and went for it. I thought all was ok apart from a bit of tenderness at the injection site but in the early hours of Thursday morning, 4 days after the jab I had an afib episode that went on for 34 hours with a racing heart. Do I think the jab was a trigger.... probably
Hello Dave, like you I had no after effects on my 1st and 2nd AZ jabs. My 1st and 2nd boosters were Pfizer and I had a reaction both times. Headache, aching from head to toe, feeling very much under the weather for 3 days but no AF. 3 of my children (in their 30's/40's) won't have any more jabs and there seems to be a lower take up this time. Hopefully, we won't have to have any more or is that wishful thinking? Take care.
Interesting to read the range of experiences w the vaccines. Interesting how differently our bodies react, which of course we’re all too familiar with given that many of us have had to try many different heart meds to get something that works for us.
Early on in the pandemic, I asked my EP how Covid was affecting his practice. He looked at me with true exhaustion and said they were just swamped with the heart issues that Covid patients were presenting with. This was long before vaccines and when most of the world was only hearing about lung problems. Certainly scared me!
When the vaccines came out, I was eager to get them. And given that I take immunosuppressing meds for two autoimmune conditions, I had all the vaccines I was eligible for. And had antibody tests after each as part of a study. It took the full 3 initial doses (1 extra for autoimmune patients) to get me up to a reasonable level. And I’ve also had 3 boosters. So 6 in all. Fortunately, nothing more than a day or so of tired & feverish.
Hoping I’m super-vaxxed! Putting this to the test soon, long overseas flight coming up, for a family funeral, lots of people, many gatherings, Covid “sharing” likely .
Feb 21 (had Covid Dec 20 ill for a week no need for treatment other than paracetamol but felt dreadful) first vac AZ about 8 hours later fever and high temp for 24-48 hours. Booster May 22 no reaction. Booster Nov 21 fever and very high temp 24-48 hours bedridden. October 22 the Moderna booster. 8 hours or so after had fever high temperature then Apple Watch kept waking me up as HR all over the place jumping between 90 and 125 at random felt dreadful all next day but HR steady and below 80. Ok following day.
Yes but after the Moderna Spikevax bivalent jab. That was my 5th jab and the first of Moderna. I am in here for my mum, not for me. 6 days after the jab, I had 7 hours of tachycardia.
I am in the US and have had 5 total. Some of these were required because I volunteer at the hospital ED locally.
The first 2 were Moderna, the original. The next three were boosters. The second booster made me feel bad, but the other 2 were fine. My understanding is that if they are too close together our bodies think it’s a foreign invasion and try to fight which makes us sick. Just lasted a day or two.
I read a piece that came up on my news app today , it was NBC news, USA I guess, it was a feature about Myocarditis ( hope thats spelt ok ! ) it was Pfizer and Moderna related, really interesting , theyre people was interviewed and spoke about ongoing data still being collated relating to this myocarditis issue, I won't go on because it surely can be looked up on google etc...
Individual reaction to the jab might depend on whether the needle hits a little blood vessel or not. The jab is meant to be localised intramuscular but theres a chance it could go systemically if its jabbed into a blood vessel. The inoculator may check by drawing back (aspirate) first but if not then its probably gone into the muscle but not guaranteed !
My experience with the covid vaccine has been bad.
My mom has atrial fibrillation and murmuring heart. All her life she was going strong by following her vitamin and meds, but after taking covid vaccine she started falling sick. She took 3 vaccine and after each vaccine she got pneumonia. That last pneumonia created a stroke.
Another friend who in her young 20s took the vaccine and developed heart issues and now on a water intake limit.
I notice females are getting more effected by the vaccine
I had covid in April 2020 as I was a frontline worker in the nhs. 3 Pfizer and ill after each one. Last one ended up in A and E with AF. Research has shown covid can cause heart arrhythmias.
the second pfizer caused long term severe reaction in my shoulders and 4 month problems with PVCs/palpitation. you can go to an american website that shows which batches were "bad". The 12% of bad batches caused 90+% of death and near death side effects. Both of my batches were in the top 12%. You have to enter the batch numbers that you received to see whether the batch was bad or not.
I have had 2 Astra Zeneca and 2 Pfizer jabs. Each one gave me a fever for 24 hours but after that I was fine with no AF or palpitations at all. I'm guessing that if the vaccination gives you symptoms, then a bad attack of Covid probably would too and maybe worse? But who knows. It's a difficult choice.
Hi there, I have always been very pro vaccine . However, after having had 3 Pfizer vaccs with no issues I had my 4th 5 weeks ago. Two days later I was in bed with shivers / aches & a high temp, unfortunately this didn’t settled , so after 7 days my GP admitted me to hospital for hydration + iv meds for temperature control.
After being discharged I rested at home then from out of the blue had two attacks of fast AF at HR 280 resulting in me being admitted to CCU. All very frightening as I’m 55, healthy , no medical conditions apart from well controlled asthma. Still getting runs of AF daily ( although slower)… & trying to get medication right.
I discussed the vaccine with two cardiologist, one was absolutely adamant it was not connected & the other said he couldn’t comment but said it has been noted on my records.
I have never tested positive to covid so I really don’t think I’ve had it , I may have been worse with covid . Or maybe I caught flu ( was waiting for flu vacc ) and that set it all off.
Who knows , but I will be having a chat with my Gp regarding a 5th one , or though hoping I’ll be asymptomatic from AF & well controlled by then.
I took the punt you mentioned in your post and haven’t had 3rd jab or boosters.
I had terrible reaction to first two AZ jabs, got covid anyway which knocked me out for two weeks ( it’s not a vaccine really is it as almost everyone seems to get covid and a number of those that say they didn’t might just be asymptomatic) and my cardiologist said that her department was swamped with new patients presenting with arrhythmias after the jabs. However on balance I’m ok with the fact that I had the jabs as they might have helped reduce the severity of my covid infection. I’ll never know.
We may all be in here because of heart issues but the person who is paroxysmal might react differently to the jab than a persistent sufferer ( like me)in my view. I’ll never have any more.
My son is 32, he had chest pains after his first jab although nothing showed up as damaging his heart. He’s not having any more jabs, He’s had covid twice.
Hi Dave … My first jab was AstraZeneca. A few weeks later I developed intense irritation on my legs (I would describe it as being tickled with a feather duster and stung by nettles) It was horrendously debilitating. I put off my second jab but eventually I managed to negotiate a Pfizer one and then a Moderna vaccination, without any real problems. I’m almost totally convinced that the misery I went through after the first jab was down to ‘THE JAB’ but who knows for certain. Hope this helps anyone out there. CHEERS.
I have now had 4 jabs 2 AZ and 2 Pfizer ( one was bivalent). J had no side effects with any. I did catch covid 4 days after my autumn booster and was much more poorly than expected. All my friends had said it was like a cold but I was much more poorly than that for 7 days. I have wondered if having the virus at the same time as the booster, sent my immune system into overdrive as all my worst symptoms were down to inflammation. I would be interested to know what others think of that theory.
This has been an interesting post with good balanced opinions reminding me that a group of like minded people can have an intelligent discussion without being offensive. X
something similar happened to me. I had the two shots of modern and had rapid heart rate for about three weeks. After the moderna booster I had tachycardia that lasted 7-1/2 weeks. I Saw a cardio doc in late June and said don’t get bivalent then saw him in October said maybe I should take chance and get bivalent. I didn’t make spike antibodies. Now I have appointment with another cardio doctor in December and will get her opinion. Not sure what to do about getting bivalent booster. The one time I had a flu shot was 1974 and got the flu for two weeks a few days after shot. Not sure about flu shot either. If I made antibodies I would chance it.
I have had 4 vaccines 2 × AZ 2 Pfizer but they were 2 different vaccines, latest being Comirnaty.Nothing other than a minor sore shouler for a day with any of them.
I sailed through 4 Pfizer vaccines. The reason I will continue to be vaccinated when prompted is to not only protect myself but also to protect those, such as yourself, who react less well to the process, and also those who are more vulnerable. So don’t feel guilty if you decide against future vaccinations; it’s how the system should work. You in turn might go through a process which, in a roundabout way, benefits me or maybe someone else. We’re all in it together.
hi - I had three Pfizer with no reaction then a Moderna and I got some ventricular arrhythmias though not AF . I recently had a Moderna booster and after two days ended up in A and E with arthymmias again an acute inflammatory reaction that manifested in. Rash
I was told that it was actually a sign that my immune system was at least responding ! ( I had previously been immunosuppressed as a result of chemotherapy ) the A and E consultant told me I was fine though it was scary . Anecdotally the Moderna does seem associated with mild heart arrhythmias !
Hi I have reacted to all my covid jabs causing AF then at the end of July I got covid. Severe headaches and nausea and stomach problems not your usually symptoms but bad for over a week. This brought on my AF for over a week then a gap for afew days then it came back. Then I had my last covid jab, and went straight back into AF which also lasted days, then a gap again for afew days then back in AF for 5 more days. Now presently in NSR for over 6 weeks. Presently awaiting an ablation I have paradoxical AF brought on by stress, viruses or getting run down. The exhaustion, fatigue seems to be getting g worst. Hope you feel better soon.
Hi there, gosh you have been through the ringer! I hope you don't have to wait too long for the ablation, I had mine in 2018 and it has reduced my symptoms quite a lot. I don't think I'll be having any more jabs which I'm not happy with but don't want to go through this again.Take care and good luck 👍
I’ve had a total of 4 shots now, all Pfizer, and I had zero effects, other than maybe a tiny bit of soreness in my arm, but I could still sleep on it so not that bad! My partner had the same shots and had a low fever for a day for some of them.
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