New Way of Thinking

[jeanjeannie50]

With people reducing temperatures with paracetamol after having their covid vaccine. What are your opinions on this new idea not to do that:

youtube.com/watch?v=sP65st2...(Not working as expected?)

[BobD Volunteer]

That isn't a new idea at all but has been around for as long as I can remember. The idea is that the temperature kills the bug which is fine except with the vaccine there is no bug it is the body's own reaction causing the temperature. Simples!

[Physalis in reply to BobD]

But there is a bug or bit of one, not dangerous as it happens. When the real one comes along we will be ready!

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Physalis]

It is not an infection just a sign post.

[Physalis in reply to BobD]

But the body thinks it is and develops antibodies in case it turns up again.

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Physalis]

Quite but temperature un-required is my point.

[Physalis in reply to BobD]

No, by taking something to stop the fever, you are saying to the body 'don't react to this' and it needs to. It only lasts a short time anyway. I can't understand how you can say the vaccine is just a sign post.

[Ianp66]

Interesting Jean, so many medical opinions and ever changing views, the vaccine being so new and experimental I suppose we aren't going to know what the facts are for a while yet . I took a couple of paracetamol on the day after the Pfizer one in Jan on advice of the Doctor which chatted to me at the hospital before the nurse gave me it. Second one is due on the 10th March so see how it goes.

[Physalis]

Absolutely brilliant! John Campbell did another video a week ago about fevers. I've been saying this for years and years. Fever is part of the body's defence and I could see my grandchildren being given Calpol and, from lying on the sofa, they were up and back to normal in seconds. It seemed wrong.

Another aspect is that our viruses affect us because of our normal temperature range. If we put it up by a few degrees, the virus dislikes it just as much as we do. youtube.com/watch?v=171J_hC...(Not working as expected?)

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to Physalis]

Thanks Physalis, I watch his talks but had forgotten this one.

[bantam12 in reply to Physalis]

It's not wrong to give children Calpol, better that than a febrile convulsion and a trip to hospital caused by the high temperature.

[Physalis in reply to bantam12]

Well, I had three children before the age of Calpol and they never suffered from a febrile convulsion.

Calpol probably doesn't do a lot of harm for most childhood illnesses but it does get them up and running around when they should be resting.

The virus probably feels a bit more comfortable too.

[Hilly22]

Morning Jean,

I’m so glad you brought this up. I follow Dr Campbell on Facebook, and one video I’ve watched over the last few days mentioned post-vaccine fever, and avoiding paracetamol to help allow the antibodies to develop (or words to that effect), but of course I can’t find it now! There’s a bit at the end of his video on viral proteins, but it was more specific than that.

I’ve decided that if I develop a fever after my jab, I’m going to let it ride without the intervention of an antipyretic.

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to Hilly22]

I'm going to try and do the same after my jab. It's odd because when I was really poorly a few weeks ago I didn't want to eat or drink at all and my daughter kept telling me I must. I forced drinks down myself thinking I must keep my fluids up, but listening to this talk it seems I needn't have done that and should have gone with what my body was telling me.

I watch every John Campbell talk too, but on YouTube.

[Hilly22 in reply to jeanjeannie50]

I saw that one too, and to me it makes a lot of sense. So interesting ... how digesting food uses energy, energy which we need to fight infection. Seems that old saying “feed a cold, starve a fever” is spot on. As is “let nature take its course” 😊

[Physalis in reply to Hilly22]

I very rarely get a fever but I think I had two attacks of flu between 2002 and 2008. I was drinking a glass of orange squash from time to time with a dessert spoonful of glucose in it. Glucose is pre-digested so puts no strain on the digestive system and I was only ill for three or four days.

[TamlaMotown]

Hi Jean, I haven’t had a lot of experience with AF yet (thank goodness) so am I wrong in thinking that we are supposed to lower a high temperature to stop us going into AF?

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to TamlaMotown]

I've never heard of people doing that to prevent AF.

What these talks are saying is that when we're ill and don't feel the need to eat or drink then we shouldn't. Also if our body has a temperature it needs it to fight the infection so we shouldn't take tablets to bring that down.

When I was poorly a few weeks ago I had no interest in eating or drinking, but was being told by family that I must. I could make myself drink but not eat. These videos are basically saying we should not eat or drink if we are unwell and don't feel like doing so.

[jeanjeannie50]

I've never been told anything by a cardiologist about what to do if I have a fever, have you? I can't see why having a fever would set our AF off. When I was ill I had no desire to eat or drink and there are times when I think we should go with what our bodies are telling us. These talks are confirming that.

[jeanjeannie50]

That's fine John, we must all go with what we believe to be correct.

[jeanjeannie50]

John, like you I was at first dead set against having this covid vaccine in any form, but the way this epidemic is now out of hand I feel I have no choice and must have it in order for things to return to normal in our world. I've just been made aware lately how people are feeling ill after having the Astra Zeneca one, Pfizer one after effects appear to be ok.

Because I've been ill recently, felt nauseous and had no desire to eat or drink for over a week, I can now see that this was my body telling me the correct thing to do as per the talk I've put here. It's just to make people aware of what could be the right thing to do. By the way I've never in my life had a high temperature, mine always records under the norm. Story of my life nearly normal but not quite there. Lol. 😂😂

[CDreamer]

It’s an interesting dilemma and a discussion I have been following with various people.

And what goes around, comes around.

The old adage was always - feed a cold (virus), starve a fever (could be caused by myriad of pathogens) and that makes perfect sense to me UNTIL - you have a malfunction of the immune system and/or the autonomic system or a young child with high fever with risk of seizures.

Never ever, underestimate the dangers of generalised advice. We all react very differently.

As we begin to understand that the immune system is actually regulated by the gut microbiome - the forgotten organ - the microbiome is the most important factor here for me.

I haven’t had a fever, ever in my life but I do regularly have inflammatory responses in my body to infection which often results in Heirtzheimer like reaction with ultra fast gut motility and the only way to moderate that is to starve so I stay on clear liquids until it settles. The quickest way of decreasing inflammation- which most certainly IS a trigger for arrythmias - for me - is to take paracetamol. And I am in flare at the moment so paracetamol every night for me.

I am expecting another Autoimmune Flare as and when I receive my jab and will have the Paracetamol at the ready but also the kefir and the digestive enzymes and the pre-biotics.

I get a bit fed up with this ‘one fit all’ response by most medical researchers. We SO need to move toward individualised nutrition and medicine and it is now on the way via Prof Tim Spector and the Zoe App via big data - launched already in the US and about to feature here.

Prof Spector’s work on identical twins has made him rethink entirely the generally accepted advice on all sorts of things including what is good for you nutritionally and what not and has come to the view that most of the advice generally accepted is flawed and based on faulty or very old research so ideas based on rigorous, well designed studies are welcomed.

I note that Prof Spector is also calling for a reduction in the recorded temperature as a signal sign of COVID and is asking for fever temperature should be adjusted for age and that threshold be reduced to 37.4 rather than 37.8.

Fever is a system-wide sign of inflammation that raises the body temperature and stimulates the immune response.

The five cardinal signs of inflammation are erythema, edema, heat, pain, and altered function. These largely result from innate responses that draw increased blood flow to the injured or infected tissue.

Feeling hot or cold can often result from autonomic dysfunction and a failure to regulate body temperature, which I am very susceptible to and may be entirely different to fever or inflammation

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to CDreamer]

Thank you for your informative reply CDreamer.

Yes, I agree we certainly need to be treated as individuals. We know now that what suits one person often doesn't another. With the covid vaccine I'm afraid we'll probably have no choice as to which one we're given. I'd much rather have the Pfizer one, after weeks of being ill I can't face being ill again by being given the Astra Zeneca one. So many people are feeling poorly for a day or so afterwards and I'm afraid that if no one reports it via the:

coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra...

covid page, the powers that be will be totally unaware of it's effect on so many people.

Jean

[CDreamer in reply to jeanjeannie50]

I’m hoping for the AZ vaccine because I think it will be more efficacious but I am expecting a reaction but don’t see it as a bad thing but more a sign that it has taken. I don’t know of anyone personally I know who has had a reaction to either vaccine.

Obviously no one wants a serious reaction but one/two days of sore arm, slight fever & headache, muscle pain is a small price to pay for immune resistance to COVID, which I am pretty sure I wouldn’t survive.

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to CDreamer]

My granddaughter and her friends were all ill after having the AZ vaccine, all are in their last year at uni training in dentistry, so working in clinic with patients. My granddaughter couldn't sleep the night after, had a fever and the most awful headache the following day. Day after that she was fine.

If you look at the responses that Bob had to his jab post, you will see that several other people have said they had the same symptoms with the AZ vaccine.

I'm not 100% over my illness, so can't face going back to feeling unwell again. I've recently turned 70, so guess I'm going to be called any day now.

I understand that you feel a response to your body from having the jab will show that it's fighting it off, but I really can't face that right now.

Jean

[baba in reply to jeanjeannie50]

I had the AstraZenica with no side effects, first jab, except slightly sore arm when I lay on it.

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to baba]

That's good to hear.

[CDreamer in reply to jeanjeannie50]

That is understandable. Actually Prof Spector was suggesting that in the future we may have personalized vaccines which will give protection without the reactions.

Several friends of mine with Autoimmune have been advised to hold off from having the vaccine because of concerns of interactions with various other immunology treatments such as the biologicals.

Pleased to see you are feeling a little better. Best wishes.

[irene75359 in reply to jeanjeannie50]

My sister told me yesterday that my niece and her flatmates (training to be paramedics) all had quite a reaction to the jab, exactly as you describe. She said that it seems younger people have a more symptoms. I had my jab on Sunday (Pfizer) and had a slightly sore arm but was otherwise fine.

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to irene75359]

The Pfizer one appears to be fine, just the Astra Zenica one causing some reaction. Hope I'm given the Pfizer.

[Bawdy in reply to jeanjeannie50]

Just must say I wouldn't be having the vaccine if I had so many concerns. Maybe put it on hold till you feel more confident and able to cope with the side effects which may happen.

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to Bawdy]

Thank you for your suggestion. I hope to have my first short walk around the area where I live today so will see how I cope with that.

Jean

[secondtry]

Thanks for posting Jean - opinions very worthwhile hearing and to me make good sense.