Has anyone in these forums ever considered natural alternatives?
It would seem that most default to ablations and pharmacological drugs to mitigate rhythm, rate and coagulation.
Has anyone in these forums ever considered natural alternatives?
Has anyone else conducted in depth research to address the question:
At one point in my life I did not have AF, but have it now, what do I need to do to reverse the clock?
Hello Tom and welcome 
I am sure most of us Afibbers have asked ourselves the same question, I certainly have.
I also considered if I wanted to play Russian roulette with my stroke risk by taking no anticoagulants with a CHADS score of 3 and relying on natural alternatives . Not brave enough I am afraid.
So I have opted for a combination of medication, losing weight to achieve a low BMI, no alcohol,lots of exercise and a plant and fish based diet to give my body the best possible chance to cope with the condition and medication.
I have also broken my rule of 'if you eat a good diet you don't need supplements' and opted to take magnesium and CoQ10 in line with many members here paid for out of the money I would previously have spent on wine.
As AF is becoming more prevalent in our ageing population I am hoping there will be more research and understanding of the condition leading to better treatments in the not too distant future
Are you taking CoQ10 in the reduced form of Ubiquinol?
I understand that your consideration of not taking an anticoagulant was not opted. However, what other considerations have you made in the past with regards to all alternatives that differ from convention?
Thank you for your reply.
Quote = tombeaux
''Are you taking CoQ10 in the reduced form of Ubiquinol?
I understand that your consideration of not taking an anticoagulant was not opted. However, what other considerations have you made in the past with regards to all alternatives that differ from convention?''
Hi Tom I am taking good old fashioned CoQ10 at the moment.
I didn't have a lot of time to 'consider alternatives ' after waiting a long time for diagnosis of PAF, I could have had a stroke while faffing around waiting for 'alternatives' to work so I opted for anticoagulants which work within hours.
35 years ago my late husband had a stroke and was left paralysed, he later had a second stroke and died . No anticoagulants were on offer then. I am not going to risk the same fate if there is any chance a prescribed anticoagulant will work for me .
I had a stroke, 1cm infarct to my basal ganglia, 1 hour with entire right side gone, not a TIA. I have lived your fear. By the grace of God, without any administered treatment and BPM at 210, I was restored. I had no help with rehab and did it all myself. My signature was the last to come back.
Even with what I have experienced I am convinced there is a better way.
The least asked question is: How many people have undergone an ablation, experienced NSR for a few months, their doctor said per the standards benchmark (6 months NSR) that they were successful. The patient moves on with their life thinking all is well. They drop out of NSR and have a stroke or die.
Anyone tracking those statistics? I have a friend close by experience post ablation trauma. He would have never checked to see if he had sustained NSR past 6 months if I did not insist he run a one week holter.
Most, as in the overwhelming majority, of ablation candidates never address baseline health issues prior to ablation evaluation.
Natural as defined, specific to AF, is any and all non conventional, non pharmacological treatments, surgeries or means to mitigate AF. I hope that helps.
I think this video may explain a little about natural alternatives to anticoagulants. The doctor, Sanjay Gupta, is one who thinks outside of the box and I would recommend viewing all of the videos he has made. He believes that taking magnesium taurate helps greatly with AF:
youtube.com/watch?v=Lb0qjQa...
I grew up in Cleveland and graduated with his sister. I am vary familiar with his holdings. Thanks though for bringing them back to my attention.
While magnesium is one of the five essentials with sodium, potassium, calcium and boron, it is the taurate chelate that is what gets overlooked.
This was actually how the amino therapy I referenced in my other post evolved. Taurine tampers the vagal, and is key to addressing the asympathetic and sympathetic. When catecholamines, epi, neopen and dopamine express they can aggravate the wandering nerve.
Actually the best form of Magnesium is Magnesium Chloride also known as Magnesium oil when there is nothing oily about it, made from Mg flakes.
Transdermal and is amazing. I have used taurate, glycinate and citrate. They all have distinct effects.
Thank you for that awesome information. I am on Dabigatron and feel greatfull for some peace of mind after listening to your video.
his time mark 8 minutes about depriving, how can you do this by depriving stroke probable from medications for the purpose of the study?
for the greater good, thats how
Avoiding scaring the heart from an ablation and not calcifying soft tissue with warfarin for starters. Also, addressing other lateral and ancillary contributions to poor health that benefit from addressing AF with other alternatives not so much explored.
Hi Tom I have just started an alternative regime after 2 ablations this year and 240 Verapamil for bad ectopics 5000+ a day, not able to walk climb stairs sleep! had an MRI scan yesterday waiting for results! Started on Iodine, Magnesium Taurate and Calcium Citrate as some people on this site recommended have noticed big difference in amounts of ectopics but still early days only 4 days since stopping Verapamil as it wasnt helping! Will keep you posted!
Regards Ingrid
do a labcorp urine for your iodine tracking. iodine has to be balanced with selenium and the form of iodine is crucial, lugals is problematic
why calcium citrate? also, my mother had a full hysterectomy, no ovaries left to produce testosterone. massive headaches years.
I had 16 vials drawn. testosterone free and total, progesterone, estradiol, estriol and DHEA.
was able to recover her T and E2 by allowing DHEA to convert, worked great, no headaches.
look into NAD+. I have put alot of research into this coenzyme and run an infusion center. It causes inter-cellular calcium homeostasis. Whne I infuse it started to puch up my rate since calcium was being regulated. I had suspected it would. What happened next was pretty cool. I do not use time release diltiazem I use fast acting 60mgs x 2 = 120mgs morning and night. Keeping in mind it is a calcium channel blocker and NAD+ causes calcium homeostasis.
After a 3 hour infusion, 500cc/500mg NAD+ my rate increased to just inside tach at about 105, but ranging 95-105. I took 2 additional 60mgs of diltiazem I was using as a PRN standby med and Ingrid the tone was very defined and pronounced and I swear there was no skips or pauses. I do not have my own ekg yet ordering next week.
I sense, totally intuitive, that over time NAD+ once the pathways/channels are reestablished will result in the ability to dx diltiazem, too be determined.
NAD+ has a big boost in eNOS, essentially acting as a vasodialator. The overall wellness increase unparalleled. Calm energy, increased tranquility, more overall awareness and perception with an increase in mental acuity. Because it recycles glutathione it had a profound effect on vision especially pronounced primary colors.
Hi Tom thankyou for all the information it sounds really interesting I am only starting to research all this alternative nutrition for my ectopics as the ablation was not successful did your regime stop your eptopics? I hope you dont think I am rude but I feel out of my depth and dont understand some of your regime can you email me if I am allowed to send you my email I really will try anything as I cant live like this and my EP said he can do no more for me.
Kind Regards Ingrid
I use magnesium taurate, fish oil and turmeric. I took nattokinase for a while, instead of an anticoagulant, but couldn't establish the optimum dose level, so am now reluctantly on dabigatran.
interesting you did not have a bleed out. how were you measuring the effects of natto with an INR or viscosity? One of the holes in my natto research is what interacts. We know how much almost anything affects warfarin. Since natto is a lyse is there compounding effects with fatty sups such as A, D and E?
Natural alternatives can work, but they don't just involve supplements. Of greater importance, in my view, are things like lifestyle choices - healthy weight, healthy diet, moderate alcohol, stopping high blood pressure and diabetes, healthy teeth, exercise, etc, etc. I think it's a waste of time going for an ablation unless these other factors are dealt with beforehand.
I agree with you Mark, I think most people will. There is also another essential aspect of our health and life in general, and that is our spiritual journey. People find it difficult to change, but by creating awareness, or an observing consciousness to your thoughts, our decision can become clearer.
I have just started a 10 day Juice Diet to cleanse my body (after watching Joe Cross' movie. 'Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead"). I am also 'trusting' in and going deeper into my inner being.
Yet arsenic is innate to the genome. There is no conflating of anything. My basic approach is to look at what is by nature our snapshot of human being from the perspective of a few basic ingredients such as hormones, enzymes, vitamins, minerals, co-factors and aminos. I thn look at the genetics for hereditary presets. The environmental impacts over time, common declines over time, such as a 2% loss of hormone outputs and mRNA issues that affect the DNA, which will be the next frontier when CRSPR Cas9 finally gets it right. You can edit DNA, but as our environment continues to get compromised so will we. I will predict if CRSPR or Falcon succeed that people will still have to be tuned up due to environmental impacts, placing the next frontier of medicine faced to address mRNA issues.
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