L-taurine

[Gracey23]

Has anyone tried this amino acid, L-taurine? I was just reading some information about natural medicine and they said that it will reset an irregular heartbeat . Maybe worth a try! Gracey

[Lorna058]

I'm probably being over simplistic as usual, but I think if there was anything out there that would do that so easily, we would have heard about it on here by now.

[PeterWh in reply to Lorna058]

I agree. They wouldn't have spent millions of pounds building cath labs if there was something like l-taurine that did the trick for a few pounds.

Also if you have loads of rogue cells in the veins sending out the rogue impulses or signals that won't stop them. However if it was vagally triggeeed AF particularly food, drinks, etc then possibly this might help but I've never heard of it before. Suggest you re-read the article to see the basis and the caveats.

[Jamila123 in reply to PeterWh]

Unfortunately keeping people sick is extremly good for buisness

[Omniscient1 in reply to Jamila123]

Quite. If a medication was cheap it would never get to market as there'd be no margin in it.

But to Taurine, I've tried this, on its own and with magnesium and Arginine

They did no harm but no good either, that I could tell. The stuff on the web is sketchy and not substantiated, and from memory all references go back to one source.

But we're all different...

[djmnet in reply to Jamila123]

Correct! If there was such a simple solution, I don't think the medical community would be interested -- after all, they're in it to make money.

[PeterWh in reply to djmnet]

Possibly true for some of the pharmaceutical companies.

However do you think that all the NHS financial managers would agree to spend the millions of pounds on building, running and maintaining catheter labs each year if a simple thing like taurine is as effective which costs less than £100 per patient per year?

[fallingtopieces]

Yes, taurine is a known supplement to go alongside magnesium. Both helping AF/ heart rhythm.

Have a look at the US site Afibbers. Lots of interesting information on supplements for AF there.

Pat

[Elaine1951]

I'm taking Hawthorne and magnesium. I read the l carnite was good tops time know ?

[traveler65 in reply to Elaine1951]

elaine 1951 L-carnitine may cause an afib response in a person who has afib or has a genetic tendency to have afib. It is too excitatory for some people.

[Oldcarol in reply to Elaine1951]

Why r u taking magnesium? Is it low? Or does your doc want u in a certain range. My magnesium is within range, ( on the low end). Wonder if I should be taking mag.

[Elaine1951 in reply to Oldcarol]

I take it because I believe that the standard or normal levels are understood differently by Different consultants. See Dr Sanjay Gupta. He understands AF. Also I feel far Breyer since taking mag than before. My GP agrees that the base of normal is understood and measured v differently

[Polski in reply to Oldcarol]

The body works very hard to make sure that the magnesium levels in our blood are consistent, so if a blood test shows a low reading then you are probably very low. We need to build up our stores so the body can use it wherever it needs to, not just to keep the blood level right (over 300 processes in the body use magnesium, so a shortage is to show up in poor health somewhere) (My doctor told me that 'everyone with AF is short of magnesium' - an exaggeration I'm sure, but there must be good grounds for him believing it)

There is a test which can be done privately to show the levels in the tissues - or you could try a 'hair analysis' test, to get an idea, but the latter are not considered very accurate. Try a search on here for posts about tests for magnesium, or take steps to increase your stores anyway. NB It can take six months or more to raise the amount in store to optimum levels!

[teach2learn]

I don't know about Taurine for heart rhythm, but am absolutely certain L-lysine works very well for cold sores...if you start soon enough and in large amounts (four at a time). Works like a charm, as well or better than prescription antivirals. So I wouldn't be surprised if Taurine did something equally effective.

[traveler65 in reply to teach2learn]

teach2learn L-Lysine also relaxes the heart . I have uswed it to stop an episode of abnormal heart rhythm. However this is after having an ablation.

[MarkS]

I've tried L-Taurine, magnesium, hawthorn, plus plenty of others including those mentioned on Afibbers, all to no avail. Then I had my ablation 6 years ago and no AF since then!

[Hidden]

I use examine.com to check the level of research on supplements and there isn't a mention of L-taurine reducing AF. My protein shake for the gym included L-taurine to increase blood flow to the muscles but it never reduced AF.

[hwkmn05]

Yes, it works. Ive heard several who have benefited from this with PQQ and Mag.

Heres one story from a lady who was about to be ablated after battling for 2 years with weekly afib.

AFib: I had the most success when I began using Dr.Carolyn Dean's "ReMag" & "ReMyte" which you can find on her website which helped with the magnesium deficiency and mineral deficiency as per Dr. Dean. But the other supplement to absolutely try is Taurine! I take 1500-2000mg a day in 2 doses A.M. and P.M. It was a life saver!

Off the meds now except for a very small dose of metapropol (12.5). I also take Hawthorn, Fish oil, and "Heart Calm" from "Vitabiologics"(2 capsules a day) and a few other basic supplements(Vit c, etc) that I always took! I would advise anyone to get on these and see the results!

Good luck to all and a big "Thank You" to"Earth Clinic" because that is where I found it all!!!!!

[PeterWh in reply to hwkmn05]

Be careful about dr Dean. She has been banned in a number of locations from practicing. See previous posts and replies on this forum.

Everyone makes their own choices.

[hwkmn05 in reply to PeterWh]

That could be a badge of honor for her. Imagine being banned for suggesting we eat natural food instead of meds? Ban me.

[PeterWh in reply to hwkmn05]

You need to read why and what the investigations were about. She wasn't banned for saying use natural things per se. Interestingly she didn't turn up to a number of hearings. There are others out there who propose natural things who haven't been banned.

[hwkmn05 in reply to PeterWh]

Why should she turn up to a witch hunt arranged by her enemies? You need to research why allopaths are afraid of losing big Pharmas $Gazillion in profits due to good people like her. If you can still find it, check out, "Under our skin". If youre not sickened by this movie about Lyme disease and the patients who died and have been crippled because the big money withheld the only cure, then we will just agree to disagree.

[hwkmn05 in reply to hwkmn05]

Death by meds per year, 100,000. Death by Dr Deans supplements, 0. end of story

[traveler65]

Gracey23 Hi I have had an ablation and take 2.5 mg warfarin and 40 mg 2day of sotalol. After this and also before this I was using taurine. Without the supplements I take the heart would not be entirely normal. NOW everything is perfect as far as rate, rhythm, heart rate variability, exercise tolerance etc.

Taurine basicaLLY causes homeostasis at the cellular level. It is very good for your heart because it appears abundantly in the heart--meaning the heart needs it to function normally. If I had not been on this and other supp's before the ablation I think I would have had a heart attack before I got to an ablation. I take Taurine 500 mg. twice a day , L-carnosine 500 mg twice a day, and 30 mg. coq10 twice a day. The other plant type supplements that are good for the heart are:

1) Trans resveratrol with trans pterostilbene and blueberry complex;

2) Pomegranate;

3) grape seed extract and

4) pycnogenol

.I take the resveratrol and pomegranate with breakfast and the grape seed and pycnogenol with dinner.

I find the Taurine essential. It also has an inotrpoic effect---meaning it makes your heart beat--but also a regulatory affect -- it relaxes the heart-and also has a large pain relief component--it tamps down the sympathetic nervous system (the flight or fight part of your autonomic nervous system) DO NOT take too much. Try reading about thewse things before jumping in an taking them all. Look at biofoundations.org and LEF.org

[hwkmn05 in reply to traveler65]

Research, D-Ribose. Some have had some positive results taking that for exercising with Afib.

[traveler65 in reply to hwkmn05]

hwkm05 I once tried ribose and it made my heart beat too strongly. It is good if you have heart failure. Ihave a strong enough ejection fractuion and stroke volume from the left ventricle that I do not need it. BUT I am taking something called nicotinamide riboside which is NR ( also called Niagen ) , a precursor to NAD+, which is the precursor to NADH in the kreb's cycle of the mitochondria in all the cells of the body. This allows the mitochondrial dna to NOT be degraded and for the stem cells to remain in tact and therefore repair any damaged tissues in any organ of the body, including the heart of course. You are programmed to produce undifferentiated stem cells for your entire life, only if the mitochondria do not degrade due to degraded dna-- this increases your longevity and your heart health. Also shilajit (adaptogenic electron donor) also seemed very useful.

[Gracey23]

Thank you all for your thoughtful responses. I'm really confused as to what to do, ablation vs natural medicine. I have had PAF for over ten years with no other health issues. I'm a very healthy 66 year young woman and I've been working with an EP and also Naturopath. I get about four of five episodes a year usually lasting 12-24 hours and converting on my own. My EP says going for the ablation and Naturopath of course says not a good idea because no one knows long time risks to heart. I know that I'll be anti coagulated for life but would like being off Flecanaide! I can't see having ablation and remaining on toxic medication . I never thought this decision would be so difficult, Gracey

[Polski in reply to Gracey23]

We all eat differently, so what vitamins, minerals or other supplements we are short of, will be different for all of us. This is one reason why studies giving a particular supplement to lots of people rarely show that they help. Such studies really need to find out which people are actually short of the substance first. By giving it to all those who are short, they would then be able to see if it made a difference to them or not. So taurine will only be helpful to a person who is short of it. (As taurine comes mainly from fish and animal products, someone on a vegetarian diet would be more likely to benefit. I found L-carnitine helped me enormously - for much the same reason viz I don't eat very much red meat etc)

We also need to remember that all these substances work together ie It is no good taking taurine if it needs some other substance in order to be used effectively in the body and we are short of that other substance. For this reason, when trying a new substance, it is advisable to take it along with a good multi-vit-and-mineral so that all the supporting substances are available to the body as well.

Bearing these two factors in mind, why not try taurine (with your doctor's permission of course) while following up the ablation path as well?

Another thought - If you decreased the flec would you get a lot more AF (now you have followed all the naturopath's advice, to give yourself the best possible health)? If not, then why take so much flec? Maybe flec as a PIP would work? If you do get a lot more AF without the flec then ablation may be the better way forward . . .

Hope some of these thoughts help!

[Gracey23 in reply to Polski]

Polski, you have answered my question and have taken away my confusion. I have begun cutting back on Flecanaide and besides a few blerps I've been doing great. I think the answer for me is exactly what you said, try to get rid of the toxic medicine by continuing on my natural approach and then have a clear picture before jumping into ablation. I've gone six months without an episode since I changed my eating and began supplementation . Thanks so much for your thoughtful response, Gracey

[hwkmn05 in reply to Gracey23]

Or take less, at night, experiment with it with Cardios approval. Mine approved me for Metoprolol in the evening only as most of my episodes occurred in my sleep. Unfortunately, it never kept me out of afib and never converted me.

[teach2learn in reply to Gracey23]

I suppose every EP has a different take on it, but mine took me off flecainide after successful ablation, and he's a very renowned and experienced doc.

[hwkmn05 in reply to Gracey23]

ND is wrong, we certainly do know the risks of ablations. The effect on the brain is 5 times more likely to cause dementia. Look it up.

Dr Wolfson claims that anti coags reduce our stroke risk by a measly 5%. Theres better ways and your ND should know this.

[Hidden]

When I looked after my poor Labrador suffering from Osteosarcoma I discovered Taurine in certain foods. I used to give her a small amount of lamb's liver with her chicken, turkey or lamb meat and pureed green vegetables. Before she was given kibble because that was recommended by the breeder. Even the Vet. Another Vet to whom I changed to, said that she lived just as long as if she had been given Chemotherapy. At least she had some enjoyment whereas she would have suffered on Chemotherapy.

Anyway, here is a website to give information on where one can eat foods with different amounts of Taurine.

I have read somewhere that it is good to eat a moderate amount of liver. Even for AFib sufferers. Perhaps it was in the AFA book I received or other.

livestrong.com/article/1570...

[djmnet]

I believe the magnesium I take -- magnesium taurate -- is compounded with taurine. My AF episodes have been much calmer since taking this supplement, but I doubt there's any supplement you can take to "reset" an irregular heartbeat.

[rebecca70 in reply to djmnet]

I also use magnesium taurate and believe it helps keep the heart rate regular. At any rate it can do no harm .

[hwkmn05 in reply to djmnet]

I did twice, but it did take 15 or more hours vs Flecainide in 45 min. Meds are the instant version of herbs, with all the side effects.

[Elaine1951]

All these posts are so helpful!