I am comfortable with my af and well anti-coagulated but I want to know if anyone has experienced this and please reply only if you have.

[lizwright]

Crampy chest pains that occur either on waking or wake me, not sure which, and then the whole thing spreads down to my feet and my feet curl up. Waves of it pass over me and I can't quite wake up to do anything but if I keep calm and breath, altho it hurts, it wears off just leaving my feet a bit sore. Papworth have tested me for everything, heart ok. GP says its when I wake up suddenly but I don't think so but I've never met anyone else that gets this. It is not cramp and goes from chest down to feet, beginning with chest.

[pip_pip]

I've not had EXACTLY these symptoms but have had similar, and reads like HYPER-VENTILATION, which sometimes, if intense, curls up thumbs and hands, and during this can make you feel LOUSY becos you're breathing wrong. Which sometimes happens with PANIC, which I have had in the past, first thing in the morning, wit the symptoms I have described. I see that you concentrate on your breathing and it relieves the problem, which would be right.

But then I might be off on a tangent here and I can only say wot I think, and am not a doctor. Hope this does not

fall into the category of replyng when not wanted.

Phil.

[lizwright in reply to pip_pip]

Thanks - I didn't mean to be off putting but this is such a specific thing I get that I wanted to see if anyone else has it. It does seem to follow periods of extreme sadness in dreams and very intense dreams so could be hyperventilating. So you maybe right. I want to tackle Papworth again with it and I am going to lung clinic next week, had not occurred to me to ask them but on your experiences I will add it to my list.

[pip_pip in reply to lizwright]

The cramps in the chest would follow low level breathing sometimes, being in my case, the ribs and therabouts. Fortunately that was a few years ago now.

[rosyG]

seems very logical- lack of sufficient oxygen and then cramping type pain