I was reading about Laetril B17 and also Dichloroacetate( dca ) being good for most cancers. Has anyone heard of these two or maybe tried them? I think ( don't quote me, they can be taken alone or along side conventional treatments.
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Laetrile converts to cyanide and is quite toxic. People with cancer need to be very careful about what they put in their already-compromised bodies.
Interesting , any thoughts on DCA
Laetril is what helped kill Steve McQueen
Ahh 43 years ago but he died of heart failure do to surgery to remove painful advanced tumors on kneck and stomach.
elpasotimes.com/story/news/...
Forty years ago, Nov. 7, 1980, actor Steve McQueen died of heart failure at a Juárez clinic while recovering from surgery to remove cancerous tumors of the neck and stomach.
El Paso Times reporter Ramon Renteria reported from Juarez:
Dr. Cesar Santos Vargas felt sympathetic toward the ailing man who called himself Sam Sheppard.
Painful cancer was killing him
Sheppard, alias actor Steve McQueen, went to Santos’ Clinica de Santa Rosa looking for reprieve from the painful cancer that was killing him.
McQueen spent time in El Paso in 1972 during the filming here of “The Getaway.”
Santos said McQueen checked into the clinic at about 5 p.m. Wednesday after he had signed an agreement for an operation.
Santos and an assistant, Dr. Guillermo Bermudez, operated on McQueen Thursday to remove the neck and stomach's advanced cancerous tumors.
The operation was performed from 8 to 11 a.m. Thursday.
Santos said McQueen’s condition seemed to stabilize after the operation. But late Thursday, he developed respiratory problems and died of heart failure a few hours later.
He was 50.
And McQueen had mesothelioma, cancer of the pleural lining of the chest cavity, caused by asbestos that he was exposed to.
Another Veteran fallen to toxins
mesothelioma.com/blog/steve...
The blog just says "McQueen served in the U.S. Marine Corps from 1947 to 1950... spent time working on board naval ships and in shipyards. It is likely he was exposed to asbestos during this time in the military."
I lived on board a Navy ship during shipyard overhaul, and there were no Marines. McQueen was exposed during a 40-day sentence in the brig in Alaska, during which he was assigned to a working party to remove asbestos insulation from an old ship's steam piping.
Do you have a link so I don’t have to search for it.
Very interesting how a story can get rewritten.
Thanks for serving
I has been over ten years since I saw the story, don't now where, but now found this:
"... In McQueen’s case, he was likely exposed to it while stationed aboard a troop ship, upon which he was tasked with moving insulation from pipes." warhistoryonline.com/featur...
I think that may be mostly correct. I was the propulsion engineer on my ship the USS Guam (LPH-9), a helicopter carrier that took on several hundred marines from shore bases like Paris Island and Camp Lejeune, for amphibious assault exercises. I was in charge of the boiler and engine rooms. Such work would have been very dangerous underway, and only done in port ("cold iron") with marines disembarked. Even then, I don't think marines would have been allowed to do that, only ships crew or civilian workers. I think McQueen could have done that while under his sentence in the brig, probably on a working party, on an inactive or decommissioned. Such an exposure would have been very intense.
As for Alaska, he got arrested there in his acting career many years later.
Steve McQueen was so far gone before he tried anything besides SOC, plus he was diagnosed very late. He may have taken laetrile and then passed, but the laetrile didn't kill him: the cancer did.
I think I read it was actually an operation that killed him after they peformed surgery on his cancer. I don't think it was laetrile.
FWIW I think that Ronald Reagan was taking laetrile.
This is interesting to consider or read.
Sometimes what is or was toxic is the method of use plus new technology, biochemistry can show a better non toxic way.
For example; estrodiol orally was very toxic to the liver but now we can bypass the liver with trandermal application, but dogma has stymied it use.
Also what was a natural non-toxic organic chemical balanced with its other natural constituents has been made toxic by either isolating that one photochemical or synthesizing it.
Here is a 2022 article you might find interesting.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/362...
Abstract
Bioactive amygdalin, found in high concentrations in bitter almonds, has been recognized as a symbol of the cyanogenic glycoside chemical organic substance, which was initially developed as a pharmaceutical for treating cancer after being hydrolyzed to hydrogen cyanide (HCN). Regrettably, research has shown that HCN can also damage normal cells, rendering it {(non-toxic) i think they meant toxic} to the human body. Extreme controversy surrounds both in vivo and in vitro studies, making its use risky. This review provides an extensive update on characteristics, antioxidant potential, gastrointestinal microbiota intervention, anticancer therapeutic, mechanisms, toxicity, and encapsulation of amygdalin. Antioxidant, anti-tumor, anti-fibrotic, antiatherosclerosis, anti-inflammatory, immunomodulatory, and analgesic characteristics, and the ability to improve digestive and reproductive systems, neurodegeneration, and cardiac hypertrophy are just some of the benefits of amygdalin. Studies verified the HCN-produced amygdalin to be harmful orally, but only at very high doses. Although intravenous treatment was less effective than the oral method, the oral route has a dose range of 0.6 to 1 g daily. Amygdalin's toxicity depends heavily on the variety of bacteria in the digestive tract. Unfortunately, there is currently no foolproof method for determining the microbial consortium and providing a safe oral dosage for every patient. Amygdalin encapsulation in alginate-chitosan nanoparticles (ACNPs) is a relatively new area of research. Amygdalin has an enhanced cytotoxic effect on malignant cells, and ACNPs can be employed as an active drug-delivery system to release this compound in a regulated, sustained manner without causing any harm to healthy cells or tissues. In conclusion, a large area of research for a substance that might be the next step in cancer therapy is opened up due to unverified and conflicting data.
Basically anything can be toxic if taken in excess, either over a short period of time or over a long period of time. Chemo is toxic, hence one of the reasons for clinical trials is to find out how much chemotherapy drugs the human body can tolerate without succumbing to the chemo instead of the disease itself and it’s worth noting that people do die from chemo.
Yes not sure of the%, of deaths , chemo is toxic kills good cells and bad cells. Radiation is no picnic either. Chemo treatment success rate is not that great from what many say. Some clinics are combining certain alternative treatments with low dose /strength chemo with better results. ck out Prof Dr Thomas Seyfield interviews for his viewpoints
Im not a big fan of people saying to check something out without them doing some research and posting a link or two, and would be great to have your opinion or insight on the link posted.
Agreed, I’ve had 39 rounds of radiation about five years ago and since then I’ve found out it’s the gift that keeps on giving. Just got over a bout of radiation cystitis.
Sorry to hear, most recently there are other gifts now being realized for their many woes , like cancers, heart and immune problems .
If you have chronic issues from radiation you can get a doctor and insurance to cover hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
Hyperbaric oxygen and radiation therapy: a review
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/332...
Hyperbaric Treatment of Delayed Radiation Injury
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK4...
i bought my own chamber but it isn’t as efficient as a hospital chamber. Mine goes down to 1.3 atmospheres and 97% oxygen where hospital chambers go to 2 atmospheres and 98+% oxygen.
bottom line is I didn’t have chronic long term damage from my 37 treatments so i had to either purchase sessions or buy my own which was a wash if did 100 sessions in the chamber which i did.
Thank you 🙏 I’m familiar with the therapy, but I didn’t know insurance may cover the cost.
hyperbaricmedicalsolutions....
Insurance Coverage for HBOT
In the United States, The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) currently recognizes HBOT for a limited list of 14 conditions, often referred to as "on-label" conditions. Most insurance plans cover some or all of the cost of HBOT when it is given to the patient for one of these FDA-approved conditions. The specific conditions that are covered may vary from plan to plan.
Some of the most common conditions that are covered by insurance for HBOT include:
Radiation tissue damage
Diabetic lower extremity wounds (diabetic foot ulcers)
Failed skin grafts and flaps
Crush injury & other acute traumatic ischemias
Necrotizing soft tissue infection
Carbon monoxide poisoning and smoke inhalation
Central retinal artery occlusion
Non-healing wounds
Gas gangrene
Decompression sickness
Idiopathic sudden sensorineural hearing loss (ISSHL)
Insurance companies may also cover HBOT for other conditions, depending on the evidence of its effectiveness.
Many thanks for the post and link.
First it’s best if you post this on Fight Prostate Cancer group which is more responsive to non SOC and leave this sight for the truly advanced warriors looking for help from its very experienced warriors.
That being said:
Here is a 2019 article i find very interesting.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
This review is aimed at summarizing the very recent reports suggesting the employment of DCA in cancer therapy, in combination with chemotherapy agents, radiotherapy, and other chemical or natural compounds showing anticancer properties. Moreover, we described data about new purposed pharmacological formulations of DCA able to avoid side effects and ameliorate drug bioavailability and efficacy, further encouraging its possible clinical employment. Finally, we reviewed latest findings suggesting other potential mechanisms of action of DCA, including new data about its aptitude to affect cancer stem cell fraction.
Just noting. No one on this blog has said "I tried it and it worked".
So, first there's no such thing as a vitamin B17.
If I remember correctly, laetrile is made from amygdalyn. That's the same stuff thats in apricot kernels.
As with water, salt, oxygen, sugar, cinnamon and nearly everything else you can consume, too much will kill you. Will laetrile? Probably - if you take too much. Probably not - if you are cautious and take low amounts. But, people are different and what's ok for one person could be bad news for another. So, if you decided to try it, I'd be cautious and start very low.
What I will say though, is there have been countless people taking apricot kernels. Research for yourself to see how many have died. Ronald Reagan used to take laetrile and he didn't die from it. There is cyanide in there, but your body is capable of dealing with it - assuming you take a low amount. Funny enough, I think there's also cyanide in B12 from fermentation. Cyanide is lethal, but if your body wasn't capable of detoxing this from apricot kernels and kefir a lot of people would be dead.
Would I consider taking it? I wouldn't rule it out but I wouldn'd expect it to move the needle either. I've tried apricot kernels in the past and it didn't do anything for me. All I got was a bitter taste in my mouth. So I expect that laetrile would yield no effect for me as well.
Apricot kernels, mixed with banana skins, pistachio peanut shells, cherry pits and shreds of paper from the sports pages of the N.Y. Times is the mother of all meds. Goes down well if it's swallowed with a tablespoon of WD-40. It's even better than the Army's SOS for breakfast.....
Normally I'm sober.........but hard to tell.......
Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.
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I tried apricot pits and it didn't work.
I just started laetril 500mg1 daily, after a week or so will increase to 500mg2x dailly morn/ night, I will give updates . Not my main or only ongoing treatment
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