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What is a Bemer PMEF and BCX Ultra delux Rife machine?

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Someone contacted me about using this as additional therapy. I am a little suspicious.

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Lots of scammers out there.

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Pianodude in reply to Tall_Allen

I was private messaged by someone on here about it. It just didn't sound right.

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Tall_Allen in reply to Pianodude

I've found that here are many crazies on this site who consistently give bad advice.

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to Tall_Allen

Yes, and to add insult to injury have formed a clique here on the forum in which they shun and ostracize anyone who differs with their viewpoints.

I and others who have seen the desperation in brothers and their loved ones when PC is advancing fast waste opportunity trying to cling to unproven approaches, which might be fine for someone on AS or long term remission, only hope to steer them in the right direction with proven treatments.

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Tall_Allen in reply to CAMPSOUPS

Maybe I'll start a new thread on the topic of the Constitution of Knowledge. I'm just about finished with the book of that title by Jonathan Rausch. It's about how do we know what is true, and how social bubbles ("cliques" as you say) can erode truth. I'm amazed that anyone listens to anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists, but we see that a lot in here.

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to Tall_Allen

I should pick up the book. I imagine it to be somewhat preaching to the choir in our and others case nonetheless if it is the book I heard reviewed on npr a few months ago it explains well how we got to where we are today.

And where we are today has definitely seeped into the forum here.

Most of us here are somewhat old. It's amazing how many have thrown aside the pillars of knowledge and its dissemination as we knew it prior to our current social/digital state of conundrum.

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Tall_Allen in reply to CAMPSOUPS

It is amazing how quickly knowledge as we've known it since the scientific revolution can be destroyed. "The Big Lie" and "drown them with bullshit" can leave us questioning what is really true. Rausch makes the point that raising new hypotheses and being wrong and correcting mistakes are all part of the rigorous pursuit of truth.

I've seen patients complain that past "truths" have given way to new truths. That is the system working! All truths are provisional. That doesn't mean that all truths are wrong. It just means we have to have a good system for testing truth. "Levels of Evidence"and GRADE is how we test truths in medicine. (often ignored by members posting studies on this site.)

Anyway, I'll save it for a future thread.

Amen.

This truly falls into the category of not standard of care. The story of Royal Rife is an interesting one. Dr. Rife worked on the assumption that cancer is caused by a virus or bacteria or fungus and that certain frequency radio waves could be fatal to these entities. It's an expansion on the quantum physics theory of all living things operate at their own frequencies, thus there are frequencies that disrupt the life of these organisms. It's totally unproven and very much viewed as quackery by the mainstream medical community. You may find these machines in alternative practice sites, such as naturopaths, reiki healers, etc. They will not claim any effectiveness against cancer for fear of being sued for practicing medicine without a license. The machines cost about $4500 and most practitioners charge upwards of $50 per session. Depending on what you are trying to "heal" these sessions could be up to 3 times a week, so pretty pricey for an unknown. I have a friend who owns one of these machines and is letting me try it free of charge. I am one month into the therapy and thought, What the hell, it's free, why not give it a try. In the meantime I'm sticking with proven therapies of standard of care (ADT therapy). If it works that will be great. If not, all I'm out is my time.

That is so funny, my brother in law tried to sell me an extra one he has. He swears it is effective up to 500 miles away. His proof that it works is his sister had a mastectomy then started using it and cancer never came back. There is no true science behind it just anecdotal stuff. Lots of conspiracy nonsense like being kept from the people because it cures everything

So many people, including me sometimes are willing to look past the truth to find something to give them hope. Although it may be false hope. We need the truth in medicine, teaching and in life. I am thankful for the scientific, well thought out and proven advice that can be found here. I am also thankful for those who are always looking for a better way. Without that, advancements would be slowed. We all just need to use common sense and some deep digging to make sure that we are not buying into or selling a false bill of goods.

Interesting responses. Bemer is a class 2 medical device for circulation. Careful when we assume. Rife frequency treatments is more of a stretch for some.

Sorry, a mis-post. That was meant for joeyguy in a previous thread. 🫢

You shouldn't be 'a little suspicious'. You should be very, very suspicious.

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Pianodude in reply to WSOPeddie

Yeah, my BS radar lit up. I check out everything, including SOC to see if there is scientific common sense behind things.

Sir, I work for a hospital system in medical education for patient safety. Part of that is working closely with infectious disease experts. What you are saying is utter nonsense. You are welcome to your own opinions, not your own facts. Also, we are here to share information about APC, and support each other. This is not a political forum for you or anyone else to trumpet your political BS.

I guess you didn’t read the entire thread. The politics was before i replied. I mentioned hope politics is driving the propaganda. I didn’t push politics. I criticized them. I know several people who work in the hospital and have told me the opposite of the nonsense you are spewing. Everything I said is a fact. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn’t mean it’s not true. You may be like the 350 pound lady in the hospital that was assigned to me as an advisor on what i should eat and how to exercise, even though she knows nothing about it. I’m master FitnessTrainer certified and won several fitness awards. If you want to debate, then go back to my reply and address specific facts that I presented. Not just a general ascertain of “nonsense”. Did you read Dr Scott Atlas’ book yet? It’s one of many that detail the reality.

I can quote studies published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine, like this one based on 4.7 Million people in Israel:

"Among those 60 years of age or older, mortality was lower by a factor of 14.7 (95% CI, 10.0 to 21.4) in the primary analysis and 4.9 (95% CI, 3.1 to 7.9) in the secondary analysis. The adjusted rate difference in the primary and secondary analyses was 2.1 and 0.8 deaths per 100,000 person-days."

nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa...

The equally prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association writes:

"Together, the findings indicated that COVID-19 boosters have a relative effectiveness of 90% to 95% against severe disease or death, according to an editorial that accompanied the studies in the New England Journal of Medicine. “This means that if the absolute effectiveness of two vaccine doses is 90%, the absolute effectiveness of two doses plus a booster is 99 to 100%,” the editorialist, Minal K. Patel, MD, of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s COVID-19 Response International Task Force, wrote."

jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...

So do you imagine that there is a vast conspiracy involving not only Pfizer, but the CDC, the FDA, the NEJM, JAMA and all the Jews and everyone else in Israel to kill you with the vaccine? People with paranoid beliefs search out others with such beliefs (often on the Internet) and form impenetrable and self-reinforcing thought bubbles. The only way to maintain their beliefs is to deny all our institutions.

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