Alternative can work but you must too.

[bucsman]

Wife had breast cancer 10 years ago myself prostate 9 years ago stage 2 for her stage 1 for me. Went to Mexico now have a doctor there we have known all that time. No more issues for her myself BPH I'm 70; so can alternate work yes but self pay no insurance but life style changes have to be in place .Also clinics in Arizona and Nevada if looking at states .

[Tall_Allen]

Voodoo rituals "work" too. Belief is powerful.

[Kaliber in reply to Tall_Allen]

Lol

[Hidden]

Looks like another promotion for something.

[AlanMeyer]

Hello Bucsman,

May I ask what "alternative" cancer care was given to you and your wife? And what led you to the private clinic in Mexico? Did you know that treatment may be free in public clinics if you're over 65 - even if you're not a Mexican citizen?

Thanks.

Alan

[edgeh in reply to AlanMeyer]

The condition of the health system in Mexico is dire. I have lived in Mexico since 2008, diagnosed PCA in 2017. There is a public system which is underfunded and only for Mexican citizens or for emergency use. There is a system for workers in the public sector that is a little better which l could access for two years whilst my Mexican wife worked in that system. Now l'm back in the private system paying my way. For radiation treatment for example, there are only two places available, Mexico City and Monterey. I will soon be returning to Canada in hopes of obtaining the care described in this forum.

If anyone living in Mexico has a more successful story to tell, l will be very happy to hear it, in spite of all the problems, drug gangs etc., Mexico has been a beautiful life experience for me.

[bucsman in reply to edgeh]

I did not use the system it was all in private a hospital a clinic a doctor paid in cash not a government provider in any sort of way

[CurrentSEO in reply to bucsman]

what exactly treatments you did and doing in this Mexican clinic and how it affected your cancer? PSA, scans, etc...

[bucsman in reply to CurrentSEO]

Started out at Hospital in TJ very modern clean for sure it was called Functional Medicine and was listed as an international care facility. Did what was called Dentritic cell therapy you can find it online ,ozone, hypothermia ,vitamin c drip ,curcumin very much the same as in Germany clinics which is also on line wife was really the first her tumors disappeared in less than a year ,myself it was stage 1 so PSA went down . People think here I am pushing these places I am not the question was if anyone knew of any alternative clinics in the states which I mentioned in those states off the bat but also said we went to Mexico only because of cost and close compared to Germany any way been 9 years later and 11 for wife but life style is key but tough to stick to Good Luck

[CurrentSEO in reply to bucsman]

Thank you for the info, I'm glad that it worked for you and your wife. Pretty standard for this type of clinics treatments, except DC (not every clinic offers this) . However please understand that with stage 1 prostate cancer you might use alternative treatments successfully and control it, many men with stage 1 just do watchful waiting and their cancer never develops to be a treat, so you may very well not needed these treatments in Mexico at all.

Advanced prostate cancer is a completely different beast and using only alternative treatments will not put it in remission in 99.999% of cases... I tried 🤷‍♂️

This is advanced cancer forum where men have real threat to their life and it understandably irritates some of the members when you advising what they should do.. when you have stage 1 ... that very well appears like you are promoting particular clinic in Mexico and just waiting someone to ask you the name of this clinic and doctor's name, plus you basically in wrong forum with your condition.

In my opinion these clinics for 99% of advanced prostate cancer patients does not make sense ... and I been personally in a few and did all these treatments and so many people milked out of huge amounts of money till they die.

[bucsman in reply to CurrentSEO]

I am not advising anyone anything. There was an original question if anyone knew of Alternative methods in the states I answered the question. Stating in AZ and Nevada and also in Mexico if cost was an issue .Then people asked all these other questions or had remarks not here to sell anything or point anybody to a specific person or place !

[Hidden in reply to CurrentSEO]

Thanks. This is a recurring problem on this forum. Some people come here with either cured prostate cancer, long-term remission or they don't have cancer at all. Then they advocate unproven treatments based on anecdotes or mouse studies and other speculation, often siting their own so-called "success" when they could have done nothing.

A lot of this is pure self-promotion, looking like a big success in a group of terminally ill advanced prostate cancer patients. Some go as far to hide their SOC treatments that allowed them to have long-term remissions in the first place. They often disparage the Standard of Care that's keeping so many of us alive, easy to do when you don't need the treatments yourself.

I'd prefer to throw these people off the forum since they don't belong here to begin with. The mods here are too tolerant of this IMO. At a minimum we need to call this out.

[AlanMeyer in reply to edgeh]

Hello edgeh,

Thanks for the info about your experience living in Mexico. I have only been there on vacations and only went to a doctor once. I was on a cruise ship, had hard chest pain on a hike, and was sent to a hospital to see a cardiologist in a nearby town. The hospital looked pretty old and worn compared to what I've seen in the U.S., but the staff were super nice. When I asked them at the end how much I owed they told me nothing, nobody over 65 has to pay for health care. I said I was a U.S. citizen but they said that didn't matter. About a half dozen people attended to me for about an hour or so - all for no charge. I guess my treatment qualified as "emergency use".

I was impressed.

Alan

[London441]

You’re on the wrong forum giving unsolicited advice.

[lawerence in reply to London441]

i dont believe bucsman was giving advice as much as he was relating personal experiences.

[Hidden in reply to lawerence]

Things that smack of quackery aren't warmly received here.

[London441]

‘Alternative Can Work but You Must Too’.

And he was ‘stage 1’. I interpret it as a pitch. This is an advanced prostate cancer forum. Men with advanced disease can be very susceptible to ‘alternative’ treatment. He may as well have had a completely different disease. I would have let it pass if he was actually one of us.

[Hidden in reply to London441]

Thanks for pointing this out.

I can't imagine that there are many people on this forum with advanced, life-threatening disease willing to go to Mexico and try completely unproven nonsense like Vitamin C infusions, ozone and hypothermia.

The promoters of these sorts of non-treatments think the way they do because they are not one of us and have no idea what it's like. They are asking someone else to risk their life while taking no risk of their own.

[j-o-h-n]

Great Scott my man!!! The water.....the water....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 12/10/2021 6:21 PM EST

[MateoBeach in reply to j-o-h-n]

No, it must have been the moon. The Moon!

[Boywonder56 in reply to j-o-h-n]

Spanish fly anyone ?

[j-o-h-n in reply to Boywonder56]

José Doroteo Arango Arámbula A/K/A Pancho Zipper.......

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Sunday 12/12/2021 6:49 PM EST

[MateoBeach]

I live in Mexico half time in Los Cabos. Good place to buy my meds very inexpensively, but must already have your well considered treatment plan in place. Generally I would not trust an alternative clinic in Mexico. It is the Wild West. Many fake treatments offered such as stem cell injections (that are not). However, I am curious about the “dendritic cells” you mention. Is that actually Sipeleucel-T (Provenge)? Or something made up?

Also wonder why 177Lu-PSMA treatments and scans have not yet been made available privately in Mexico? Probably the investment required, isotope availability and imminent approval in USA.

[bucsman in reply to MateoBeach]

Yes was told about Provenge they took my blood out a lab person came back 4 days later with was called a vaccine and injected it done a few times over 9 years now The first time was at a hospital about the rest of question not sure ?

[MateoBeach in reply to bucsman]

Sorry you got so much heat from your well meaning post. Understandable though. I am still curious about your dendritic cell, allegedly Provenge. Would be interested if it is the legitimate Provenge. The blood draw may be the key: Did you sit for 4 to 6 hours beside a leukopheresis machine with blood coming out of one arm vein and then coming back from the machine to another site? Only the white blood cells are harvested in this way which is necessary for Provenge? If just a quick blood draw then it was fake. Thanks for the information.

[trianfolia in reply to MateoBeach]

They draw your blood...then 10 days later iv it backIssels.com

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[Hidden]

Take your bushel basket full of spoiled fruit and vegetables and get the hell out of here. What bothers me about this posting is the fact that some poor soul in this group is desperate enough to believe the stench that emanates out of your basket.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Right on brother.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

I had a well to do friend who was fighting end stage lung cancer. In desperation he and his wife flew to Mexico for for experimental treatment. Well, he died while in Mexico and his wife had one hell of a time getting his body back to the states. The nightmare continues to haunt her years later.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

I recently went to a memorial for a friend who had advanced prostate cancer and only did alternatives to treatment because he bought into to the cult of bullshit cancer "alternative treatments".

He kept getting worse, but being a believer, he kept telling everyone else it was working. All his family and friends could see he was getting conned by these quacks, but he wouldn't listen to them. His wife ended up with a huge bill and a dead husband at the end of it all.

[Boywonder56 in reply to Hidden]

I second that demotion