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PSA 199.46 on 8th Sep started taking Enzultamide PSA 455.160 today What options we have now?

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Hi,

My father(age 71) diagnose with Prostate Cancer on 16th Mar 2019, his PSA was 3045.

(DD/MM/YYYY)

9/11/2020 455.160 ng/ml

(Enzultamide 160mg)

8/9/20 199 ng/ml

1/9/20 - 151 ng/ml

Aberateron

June 2020 - 40 ng/ml

Aberateron

21/1/2020 - 9.63 ng / mL

Aberateron

19/12/2019 - 21.17 ng / mL

7/11/2019 - 22.66 ng / mL

Aberateron

25/09/2019 - 19.08 ng / mL

Bicalutide

3/05/2019 - 45.08 ng / mL

Bicalutide

6/04/2019 - 947 ng / mL

Since last month he is having pain issues.

What option we have now,

Thank You

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Docetaxel while he is physically able have it infused. I would do it now.

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Thank You for your response, we will visit doctor,

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GP24

There is a cross-resistance between Abiraterone and Enzalutamide. Therefore Enzalutamide will not work or just a few months after Abiraterone. Many doctors recommend Enzalutamide after Abiraterone just to see if it works for a few months.

A chemo with Docetaxel is the usual treatment now.

Pain is often caused by metastases in the bone. He can have these radiated to reduce the pain.

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Vasanta in reply to GP24

We are scared about chemo, as he is 71 and had bypass surgery 7 years back with thyroid problem(thyronorm 100mcg, metxl 25 and nikoran 5mg)

We heard from many about chemo side effects and in some cases loss of loved one.

Is it Chemo's last option as his PSA is increasing very rapidly? or should we just go for radiation/pain killers to keep pain in control?

About pain, intermittent pain radiating in both lower limbs from hips

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pleinairpainter in reply to Vasanta

Chemo is no longer the "last option" that it was; in fact, evidence points to success with using Chemo as a first line or one of the first lines of attack. Wishing you the best.

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GP24 in reply to Vasanta

There are different drugs for chemo therapy for the different kinds of cancer. What you heard may not apply to prostate cancer. For prostate cancer you use Docetaxel which does not have the same side effects other chemo drugs do. However, it does have side effects.

What you can do is select a two-weeks schedule with a lower dose. This reduces the side effects.

If you just address the pain with radiation and drugs it will get so bad that you cannot control the pain any more.

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Tall_Allen

Docetaxel, definitely. Also, biopsy one of his metastases.

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Vasanta in reply to Tall_Allen

Thank You Tall_Allen, I am doing some reading on it

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Dalph87

The disease seems to be aggressive so chemo is a good option.

Chemo with Docetaxel, then Cabazitaxel when the first will stop working.

Radiation to keep the bone mets in check and reduce pain.

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Vasanta in reply to Dalph87

How could we know Chemo could be tolerable or not.

Is there any way which could tell us that chemo could be tolerable to one person and not to the other tolerable

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MateoBeach in reply to Vasanta

Try it. He can always choose to stop. Most find the docetaxel side effects fairly mild and tolerable. Ice for hands and feet help protect them during infusion.

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Vasanta in reply to MateoBeach

Thank You for quick reply,

Mother of my friend went to the hospital on her own feet and she was asked to undergo chemo.

After chemo, it was very difficult for her.

We lost her in 7 days after the 2nd chemo. (confirm with my friend once again so updated this comment, she had diabetes as well)

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MateoBeach in reply to Vasanta

Ah, no wonder then that the idea of chemo would be terrifying. And some forms of chemo for some cancers are indeed very intense and difficult. But the taxols for PC are generally not so bad at all for most of us. I lost my hair and had fatigue which resolved in time. Now it is 13 years later and I'm rolling along. Docetaxel might also restore responsiveness to enzalutamide and AA to get still more good mileage from those. Sorry for the loss of your friend's mother. But her case was undoubtedly different altogether.

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Vasanta in reply to MateoBeach

Thank You MateoBeach your words and experience are relieving.

Can't think of the pain he is going through due to my negligence.

I wish and pray for your good health.

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Dalph87 in reply to Vasanta

He has to try it and see if he can tolerate it, for my father Docetaxel was pretty bad but not unbearable, at the end it still increased his lifespan by over 6 months, and he had side effects only for one month, so was worth it ultimately.

Chemo is very individual, for some people it's highly toxic, while for some others it causes almost no side effects.

Best wishes.

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Vasanta in reply to Dalph87

Thank You Dalph87

We did ECG and 2DECHO today will be visiting the cardiologist

all depends on his heart condition now

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mgzs

The Oncologist will adjust the chemo dose if needed. My husband always had a low dose of Docetaxel because he had a bad reaction, and his PSA reduced by half after each infusion. It’s worth to try it. Of all the treatments he had, Docetaxel was the most effective.

Best wishes

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Vasanta in reply to mgzs

Thank You mgzs, I am reading and trying to find out if there are any other options available.

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j-o-h-n

Hello Vasanta, I can not give you medical advice but I will tell you that in all the years I have been on this forum I have not seen or heard of any member who ever passed away due to Chemo. Like the advice you received from other members you can always stop the treatment. You are the caregiver. Peace and Prayers be with your Father.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 11/10/2020 7:38 PM EST

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Vasanta in reply to j-o-h-n

Thank you j-o-h-n,

We did ECG and 2DECHO today will be visiting the cardiologist

Chemo or no Chemo depends on his heart condition now.

I am praying continuously.

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j-o-h-n

God hears all prayers.....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 11/11/2020 4:24 PM EST - God Bless all our active and veteran military.

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Vasanta

Suggested for Chemo Docetaxel 75mg/m2 3 weekly 6 cycle

2D Echo LVEF 50%-55%

The cardiologist said moderate Risk

My father is scared of Chemo

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