Dr. Sam Robbins - The Real Cause of Prostate Cancer

[gusgold]

This Doc makes a lot of sense

Gus

youtube.com/watch?v=x-4FkVR...(Not working as expected?)

[Daddysdaughter]

I listen to it the only thing that I don’t understand is that it is protective of prostate cancer but what if you have the cancer existing already?

[gusgold in reply to Daddysdaughter]

What I would do if the PCa is hormone sensitive is Lupron on when PSA is .5 and Lupron off when PSA is .1 or lower + Arimidex, Cabergoline, Metformin, and Avodart

[Robertleeb in reply to Daddysdaughter]

I was thinking the same thing , we are told deleting the testosterone puts the cancer on hold and my psa has dropped to .4 with Lupron and casodex from the last was 9 so about the video what I take from it does make sense, I don't think I am willing to take that chance and add more testosterone to my body at this time. but also I sense the balance he ,mentioned has a lot to do with it, I am 67 and my body is way older then a young person so balance becomes a problem because of all kinds of things living this long on the planet. I do believe HT does work and has proven in labs and real Pcancer suvivors,and its working for me at this time. I started my radiation treatments last week ,so now HT.radiation at the same time, I am staying positive that it will eradicate the cancer. I am not stopping there, I use canaby, B17,(Latrile) a total diet change, I have been able to keep my diabetes in the normal levels no spikes. I think with all the protocols for pcancer not just the doctor's. we can each find that individual balance for our body and to be persistent. I am learning so much here , I thank everyone here for the knowledge about Pcancer that I never realize or thought about it till I became a protate cancer survivor

God Bless us all here for a healing.

Robert

[Hidden in reply to Daddysdaughter]

That's the real issue. It seems like this doctor's video is really tilted toward younger men in order to increase their T level and prevent prostate cancer. It becomes obvious that he is selling a product to increase T and decrease (wonder how it does that) estrogen. This video is really worthless to anyone who already has prostate cancer. ADT and T reduction is the name of the game for initial treatment of prostate cancer. For this guy to disparage that and complain about the negative effects of ADT is disingenous. He seems to imply that he has a better answer for someone with prostate cancer but he doesn't. He might have the answer to preventing PC, but his message for someone with PC is worthless. In the final analysis he is just a salesman hawking a product. No value whatsoever to someone with PC.

[Daddysdaughter in reply to Hidden]

I agree!

[softwaremom00]

Does his Alphaviril product really provide protection against prostate cancer ?

[Hidden in reply to softwaremom00]

Maybe if you are a man in your 30's.

[Dan59]

So when you are diagnosed with advanced PC, and your Mo suggest firmagon or Lupron , You should not do it, as he says it is wrong ( He says antiandrogens remove T from testicles which is actually false it blocks the adrenal T)and instead order testosterone supplements from him???? This guy knows more than the most expert MOs specializing in APC?? I think not!! I think this is a dangerous video by a guy selling testosterone supplements , I think he quacks like a duck IMO. In fact if you google his name you will find many complaints many calling him a scam artist. He even contradicts himself in the video. I watched it 3 times.

[Daddysdaughter]

My father has been on Xtandi for 1 month PSA 4.1 and after 1 month of Xtandi Lupron metforman only down to 4.0 I was disappointed 😔 but I guess it went down instead of increasing. His doubling time was 2.5 months from .02

[gusgold in reply to Daddysdaughter]

Give it more time..you need at least 3 months to get a clear picture

[gusgold]

IMO Sam is right on the cause of PCa.....Once you have PCa that is a whole different ballgame, but even when on ADT you need to close the back doors...Arimidex for Estradiol...Cabergoline for Prolactin...Avodart for DHT...Metformin for Insulin sensitivity...I got this advice from the Godfather of Pca...Dr. Steven Strum

Gus

[Dan59 in reply to gusgold]

Yes Gus that’s right, It’s a whole new game when you have Prostate Cancer, but that is not what he says, He says a man with prostate cancer should not be put on testosterone reducing pharmacueticals. I agree on the Avodart, cabergoline and metformin, and Strum is The Godfather.

[Notsdr]

I agree with Dan59. This "doctor" did not understand the basic difference between an anti-androgen and an LHRH agonist or antagonist. Use of an anti-androgen actually increases serum testosterone because it blocks the androgen receptors on the cells. If PCa cause and cure were as simple as explained by Sam, we all would be cured.

[Chubby42]

Where is the evidence that what he is qacking on about actually works? Produce a PC survivor who followed his method as already mentioned what he is saying maybe fine for men who have yet to develop PC but i would concider this unhelpful without proof.

[rhbishop2]

I don’t think we should be giving publicity to snake=oil pedlars like this guy.

[pjoshea13]

Gus,

In my own case, with a short PSADT after failed RP & salvage RT, I began using androstenedione & chrysin+piperine to balance hormones. Andro is a T precursor; chrysin is an aromatase inhibitor. Together, I arrived at a more favorable E2:T ratio & my PSA became stable.

Andro otc was eventually banned (a felony to own it, but not T, without a script!) & my alternative doctor prescribed AndroDerm & Arimidex to do the same thing.

Some years went by (with a great QOL), but then PSA began rising, so I switched to 3 months cycles of T & a product to suppress T. (BAT is a variation on that.)

Here's what I believe:

1) No man with advanced PCa should assume that T will help once he has been on ADT. ADT alters the AR & T will have a disproportionate growth effect if there is now AR amplification. On the other hand, some CRPC men do respond to the shock of normal-high T restoration.

2) Newly diagnosed men, particularly those on active surveillance, may benefit from an E2:T adjustment. At that stage, the AR has not generally mutated.

3) DHT is misunderstood, IMO. In the endocrine system, homones are secreted to meet a distant need & there is a feedback process to halt that. In a normal prostate cell, the 5alpha reductase [5AR] enzyme converts T to DHT. What is the mechanism to halt that? First, in response to DHT, the cell curtails production of 5AR & produces an enzyme that will metabolize DHT. Secondly, a metabolite of DHT is 3beta-Adiol (5alpha-androstane-3beta,17beta-diol), which is the natural ligand for ERbeta. Yes, the DHT metabolite is an estrogen, but it only binds to the protective beta estrogen receptor. Activated ERbeta opposes DHT stimulated growth. Rather neat.

Ultimately, PCa suppresses ERbeta expression & pro-growth ERalpha takes its place. At that point DHT ceases to be helpful & Avodart should be considered.

In 2010, an Italian team reported success in using 3beta-Adiol in mice [1]:

"In vivo, continuous administration of 3beta-Adiol reduces growth of established tumors and counteracts metastasis formation when PC3-Luc cells are engrafted s.c. in nude mice or are orthotopically injected into the prostate. Since 3beta-Adiol has no androgenic activity, and cannot be converted to androgenic compounds, the effects here described entail a novel potential application of this agent against human PC." OK as long as there is ERbeta.

Too bad Robbins:

"did not understand the basic difference between an anti-androgen and an LHRH agonist or antagonist." (Notsdr)

He clearly would not have used the term anti-androgen had he understood it. And he compounded the error when he Googled it for an example & came up with Flutamide which had long been superceded by Casodex, which in turn is being edged out by Xtandi.

The polite response to the video would be to say, like the curate's egg, that it is good in parts, but he is claiming that hormone balancing can cure PCa: "The REAL Cause & Cure For Prostate Cancer". Dangerous guy.

-Patrick

[1] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/205...

[gusgold]

Patrick,

I still think Sam had a point...how many onco's pay attention to Estradiol, Prolactin, and even DHT. Even Dr. Myers complained that docs were not monitoring DHT. All most docs initially do is slap a guy on Lupron and monitor PSA., totally ignoring the 3 bad boys E...P...and D which promote the eventual development of CR. Sam was ignorant on some points, but how many onco's are just as dumb by not monitoring the 3 Bad Boys

Gus

[StephanB]

Interesting discussion. I definitely find the video uni-dimensional but it's still an interesting counterpoint. I was diagnosed 1 1/2 y ago at 46 with already bone metastasized PC, genetic BRCA mutation found, and embark on a crazy journey of chemo, ADT and Zytiga which all failed. Meanwhile, I was a strong active guy not so long ago, and now feel like an old man not even 2 years after diagnosis. Hearing about alternative therapies is of course so enticing but I come from a scientific background and can't help to have skeptical inclinations. Yet I wonder since I feel like crap with no libido and little drive. I feel somewhat powerless in face of all this, even though I have very long discussion with my MD who is patient with my questions and progressive views. Still what could I do at this point? I'm still relatively young, 1 1/2 year of ADT? Any suggestions of labs I could request from my MD that could help my situation? Just trying again to be progressive and be my own advocate...

[gusgold in reply to StephanB]

S,

having failed chemo, ADT, and Zytiga why not try Xtandi + ADT...with crMPCa you need an expert on PCa...Your best bet might be a Clinical Trial...the most important course of action at this point is to prevent metastasis to the soft tissue organs, especially the liver at all costs. As far as feeling like crap the best solution is resistance exercise. I bought myself a couple of exercise machines and work all the major muscle groups...bench presses, lat machine, leg machine, AB machine, and arm machine

Gus

[StephanB in reply to gusgold]

I have been followed by a clinical research MD. I did docetaxel and ADT at first diagnosis of my metastatic PCa which failed at showing no progression, then was put on a two-arm trial abiraterone vs cabazitaxel which again first abiraterone showed progression within 5 months then was switch to other arm with cabazitaxel which did not show progression but my PSA never went down and remained in the 600-700 range. Because of some bone pain, we decided to start Radium-223 so I got my first injection which I have to say has been no walk in the park. As per data and articles, it seemed very well tolerated but so far it's been the worst treatment in terms of adverse events. As for scans, the latest one showed no organ or soft tissue involvement but actually have my next one this Wednesday so we'll see. Always nerve-racking.

[Hidden]

The international phone system works pretty well, I hear. I talked to someone in Oaxaca Mexico lat week, and it was clear as a bell, as they say.

He starts by saying he wants to dis-spill the myth, at 4 seconds in. Off to a bad start, with me at least. Sounds like a jerk.

Like he is the only doctor who knows anyone who has died of prostate cancer.

What a jackass. He says he doesn't even argue any more with doctors who believe clinical trials, and defends his concepts based on clinical trials, he says. Which is it boy, and what trials are you referring to??

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[JimVanHorn]

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[AlanMeyer]

At 3:55 in the video Dr. Robbins (does he have a real medical degree?) says "You see, if high testosterone was the real cause of prostate cancer, then all the guys in their teenage years and 20's would have issues ..."

Did anyone ever say that testosterone was the cause of prostate cancer? I don't think anyone in the research community did. It has been known for decades that the cause of prostate cancer is mutations in the DNA of prostate tissue that overexpress oncogenes (genes that promote cell division), or underexpress or functionally damage tumor suppressor genes (genes that suppress cell division). This is the essential case for all cancers, though the damage that the DNA accumulates can come from various sources including carcinogens, radiation, unfortunate inheritance, and old age.

Testosterone doesn't cause prostate cancer. It signals prostate cells to become active, which includes normal cell division. But if the DNA regulation of cell division is damaged then signalling prostate cells to divide is dangerous. We shut it down for the same reason that we shut off the water that is going to a leaky faucet. Unfortunately, unlike water faucets, we don't have a way to just shut it off to the prostate tissue, so the whole body suffers.

I get the impression from this video that Sam Robbins is a con artist with an impressively smooth presentation but little knowledge of the subject and no concern for how many people he hurts. Unfortunately, biology in general and cancer biology in particular are incredibly complicated subjects and most of us can't possibly devote the thousands of hours of study needed to understand them. We rely on experts to help us, as we do for computer repairs, cell phone service, GPS mapping, and many other incredibly complicated parts of modern life. That leaves a big opening for con artists to promote "obvious" theories that are only obvious if you don't understand the science.

Alan