Advanced Prostate Cancer

Some powerful information (and a source) about taking Curcumin for advanced prostate cancer.

Four data points from the publication at cancerdecoded.com, a publication worthy of considering a subscription. (I've been reading INH for a number of years and find MUCH of what they have to say to be thought-provoking and actionable.) This approach is aiding the immune system as well as attacking the diagnosis.

American men get 23 times more prostate cancer than men in India. About 12% of American men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer. In India, only 0.5% will.

And what makes the numbers even more astonishing is that India spends very little on health care compared to the U.S. The average American pays 35 times more for medical care than the average Indian.3 Yet, India is winning the war on cancer and America is losing it.

It’s also important that you take the right form. Curcumin by itself is not easily absorbed by the body. Fat increases bioavailability. One supplement has been shown to increase blood levels of curcumin more than others. It’s called BCM-95. It has extra essential oils that aid absorption. BCM-95 is widely available from many supplement makers...another way to increase the cancer-fighting effects of curcumin... is by adding the herb boswellia (frankincense).

Examples are given about people with highly-advanced cancers (including prostate) who have benefited greatly from its use - as a stand-alone or in conjunction with the traditional "treatments" many (most) diagnosees are currently undergoing.

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Yes, ctarleton. Seeing this information is meant to be the START of your investigation of it - if you so choose. We are individually responsible for our choices. By only following what someone tells you, you give up that responsibility to someone else. Many patients who have now found themselves deep into The Tunnel before they began to ask questions because they lacked the curiosity/willingness to "do the work" beforehand - or who were stampeded into "doing something right now" have done just that. If the day ever arrives when I'm "sent home to die" by some robotic "health care provider" I want to have previously availed myself along the way of all the options I can uncover.

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Curcumin is not new, it has been touted for a over decade as a cure for PSA, the biggest proponents suggest a high dose of pepper to be taken with it to promote absorption. However, there seems to be very little evidence that it cures PSA. There are also lots of other natural "cures". Doesn't seem to many people with "aggressive" PCA to have experienced "cures" by attaching themselves to natural cures. There will always be that one or two whose cancer goes away without any positive treatment. This is true about all cancers, not just PCA. You are welcome to try any of these treatments yourself, but don't bad mouth other patients who prefer to work with renowned physicians and who run out of sound, scientific options. While they maybe a few "robotic" health care providers, out there, there are many who really care about their patients and support them to the best of their knowledge and many years of experience.

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Not badmouthing anyone, bb66hotflash. My premise is that no one understands or appreciates your own body as much as you do. An informed patient who questions/researchers and decides whether or not to accept a given step in treatment empowers himself/herself in ways that simply saying "ok, I'll do whatever you say" does not. Yes, there are many caring/competent physicians available - but many are not - in a sense it's a lottery.

The 10 surgeons who worked with one of my relatives with breast cancer all treated her, by her own admission, as nothing more than a statistic. They told her that her lymph nodes had to be removed, because "that's the way it's always done." The dutifully complied. She now has to have PT several times a week because her arm swells up from the inability to process fluids.

Had she questioned this need, like another friend did in similar circumstances, things might have been different (better). Now out comes a 10-year study showing no difference in survival rates for those who do or do not have them removed (that information has been out there in "anecdotal" form for quite a while. Meanwhile, she will be plagued with this situation for the rest of her life. (BTW, none of the 10 physicians have been "following up" on the results of the advice they gave her.)

The very act of being aggressively involved in the decisionmaking of the "team" helps strengthen the immune system and moves the odds meter in the direction of the patient (you and me).

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I too have seen much thought provoking articles about curcumin, with the addition of black pepper or peradine for absorption. This is one of the few supplements I have started to take, don't think it could hurt much. The only thing is the gastritis that it causes in me even when eaten with food. What kind of fat may work with this warrior?

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I don't know whether circumen does any good or not but for an invigorating morning drink try the following:

Take a 1 litre carton of Tomato Juice. Add:

1 teaspoon turmeric

1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper

1/2 teaspoon hot chili powder

Shake well and leave in the fridge for 24 hours.

I have a glass with my breakfast every day, but it's a great drink anytime.

Enjoy.

Bob

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And you know, rhbishop2, it may well be strengthening your immune system, which is the backdoor way of "curing cancer." "Fighting cancer" itself is mostly dealing with symptoms. Strengthening the Immune System is dealing with the cause (the impairment of which led to the cancer forming and getting out of control in the first place.)

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V 8 has a spicy tom. Juice. Might just add tum. to it and get the benefit of thw other veggies. Use it for soups and sauces as well.

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rococo, the only issue I would take with you is this (some may feel it is splitting hairs, but it's based upon my premise of the best quote I ever heard about what causes cancer - of which all of us have some of in our bodies.) It is "the result of a series of insults to the immune system."

Looking at this in a layered way...

In regards to consuming V-8, I'd buy it in glass bottles, which I still believe they produce. This avoids the can lining chemical, BPA, found in almost all canned foods. ALSO, it avoids any issue of tomatoes - highly acidic -from interacting with the can/liner.

Second, certified organic vegetables will by definition USUALLY be subject to fewer chemical sprays, etc. during their production. Not to mention how much heat (destroying nutrients) was applied during processing. So an "organic" V-8 compound, (you may have to make your own), would be another step in the layer.

But of course, this is very time-consuming. My final thought? I follow the Pareto Principle in most things I do. It states that 20% of the effort will yield 80% of the results. In this case, it may well be that buying V-8 in glass bottles instead of cans will get you to that calculation. So what do you think about that?!

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I do think about it? Don't buy it in the cans but the plastic which probably has its own problem. Sometime I get muir glen org tom products in glass.. Rocco

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VG.

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Already on it---for many months. Part of my Kitchen Sink approach. I also use a Super Critical CO2 extract as well, that has high amounts of Curcumin 3 Complex. The frankincense component that is most valuable is 5-Loxin--obtainable from Vitacost, Life Extension, and others. Black Pepper extract works also for solubility, but you really need the Liquid Extract of Piperine--the tablets of pepper extract, I would be suspicious of working for solublization, as the dried pepper extract would need too much time to break down and help curcumin in my opinion.

Nalakrats

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Nalakrats, "your opinion" backed by your ongoing research, and "listening to your gut" is what should be honored. Do you know that research indicates 60% of the communication goes TO the brain FROM the stomach - which has the same kind of cells? Go, Team! Of which YOU are the Captain. I salute you.

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Thanks, and I did not know about the stomach/brain conversation.

Nalakrats

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Interesting...

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Here is a mixture I use. healthunlocked.com/advanced...

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Many thanks, lukedohner. I have duly added this link to my reference page. Adelante!

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Luke, quite a bit of chemistry--I think what you are doing as a fully Advanced Degreed Food Scientist and Food Chemist is laudatory.

I use a simple approach. I use the Curcumin C3 Complex, from Vitacost, and use Black Pepper oil with it, to help absorbency. Not the Black pepper extract tablets. You need the oil. The oil can be bought on line.

On top of that I use Zyflamend---which contains as one of its anti-inflammatory ingredients, a Super Critical CO2 Extract of Turmeric. This type of extract, causes a concentration, to be sometimes a 1,000 times stronger than actual Turmeric Capsules. This extraction method, will leave all the non-essential organics behind in the basket extractor, and take out the important polyphenols, of which curcumin is key. You get an oily extract, without any water--looks somewhat like your extravagant goop.

Nice to hear of other methods, Thanks!

Nalakrats

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DOWN THE HATCH...over the lips and through the gums look out stomach here it comes.

Good Luck Good Health.

j-o-h-n Monday 10/02/2017 11:31 AM

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Ha ha! I'll have mine just after a diet coke, LOL!!

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First of all, I take curcumin every day in hopes of it helping me both against cancer and against Alzheimer's Disease - which is another problem for which India is said to have much lower rates of incidence than the U.S. I've seen reports of experiments that show curcumin to be very safe, and we know that millions of people eat it every day in India - so I don't think it can do any harm and, who knows, maybe it does some good.

Searching Pubmed for curcumin and prostate cancer, or curcumin and Alzheimer's Disease shows that a lot of research has been done, some of which has produced positive results. Some hasn't. But if it's cheap and can't hurt, why not try it?

I do, however, have some questions about the India / U.S. comparisons. India is a very poor country. There is a much higher percentage of people there who have no medical care at all or only have minimal care and who may die without any diagnosis - so we don't know if they died of prostate cancer or not. The percentage of Indian men getting PSA tests is probably lower so the diagnosis rate will be lower for that reason too. The average life expectancy is lower than in the U.S. so they die of something (cancer, heart disease, infectious diseases, whatever) more than we do and some of them are probably dying with undiagnosed cancer that would have killed them if they had lived a few years longer. Another difference is that their diets differ from ours in many ways besides curcumin intake. For example, I understand that most of them don't eat any meat at all, and the number of calories they get is lower than ours. They may drink more tea than we do and less coffee and alcohol. Maybe those are factors. There may even be genetic differences that make a difference in prostate cancer incidence.

While there may be something to curcumin as a preventative and treatment for PCa, I have a hard time believing that "American men get 23 times more prostate cancer than men in India", or concluding that whatever difference there is is due to curcumin.

Carl Sagan liked to say that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". I think the claims here are pretty extraordinary but the evidence from the India/US comparison seems questionable to me.

Alan

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Alan, what I find very interesting is that, with regard to almost any country you can name when members of that population come to the US to live, their rates of certain cancers, and other disabilities rise. And even when they stay in their own country, e.g. China, and begin eating a western diet (there are more Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets there than in any other country), the same metrics begin to apply.

Since you are already taking Curcumin, I'll share with you a "first look" that I initiated today, involving liquid delivery of same. I have only just ordered it so cannot speak to its efficacy...yet. I HAVE had excellent results though with a liquid delivery of D3. For several YEARS, I tried to get my tested D level from "low normal" up. No matter how many capsules I took, nothing changed. When I got on liquid D3, in three MONTHS, I tested at "high normal". D is a critical component of a healthy system, so this was a big deal. Same thing with B12. But I have recently read that Vit K, allows still more efficient D3 delivery, and I was able to order this as well.

Again, I have no idea how this will turn out, but I do know that liquid (sublingual) delivery has worked well for me in the past. A HUGE - mostly unknown - is how "bio-available" any given supplement is. At the far end of this spectrum is the oft-told story of people who empty Porta-Potties as a job and find piles of Centrum and other brand hard capsules which have been excreted - undigested. Ultimately, I think the Rosetta Stone of all of this is to seek high-quality vegetables and meats and prepare them in such a way that they retain the most vitamins/minerals/trace elements for our bodies' usage.

If you're interested, the site is purathrive.com ALSO, Alan, I'm just starting to take "Prosterin", which has the best ingredients line-up I've seen, and probably "sampled" a dozen brands that claim all sorts of things. My sense is that if you can't see a difference in 60 days, then it's time to "move on". Some who read my approach will like to label me a "hypochondriac" or whatever else, but as Canadians would say, "No worries!" I am a life-long learner and truth-seeker. I receive no remuneration from anyone for my data, and I only share it with others in the interest of learning more...as I have from my exchanges with you. Best.

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Some people like to cherry pick facts to support a particular view point. Especialy the people who claim that cancer can be cured by natural means and that medical intervention is purely for profit of the drug companies and oncologists. Well here are some facts

The average life expectancy of men in India is 63.

The average life expectancy of men in USA is 82.

Men in India enjoy a diet rich in curcumin.

Men in India have lower rate of prostate cancer than men in USA

Average age of men at diagnosis is 68.

So what conclusions do you draw from this data? If you conclude that curcumin prevents cancer then you are seeing a logical linkgae that I am not seeing. The only 2 logical conclusions from this data are:

- curcumin is leading to early death of men in India

- Early death of men in India leads to a lower rate of prostate cancer compared to a population with longer life expectancy. DId you really scrutinise the claims made at cancerdecoded.com? TYhey clearly have told you the data that suypports their POV but have excluded data which does not support them I suugest that you need to critically analyse what they are saying.

Disclaimer. I take curcumin daily. Along with many other supplements. Why do I do this if these claims are demonstrable a load oif rubbish? Because I have Stage 4 cancer (mets in liver) and I am desperate. I hate that these people prey on our desperation.

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