Apparently it would appear that some research has been done on Blood Group types and the health implications of same. Couldn't believe what I was seeing when it said Group O people were likely to have a thyroid condition actually mentioning Hashi's - anyone on here have Blood O - just interested ? I am Group O by the way - the Universal Blood donor my blood can be given to anyone but I can't take anything else but Group O !
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I'm A rhesus negative. I've seen blood group research on health before but am never sure if its genuine science or woo, because a few books came out years ago about blood group and diet and I think they were debunked as pseudoscience.
Hi I'm O negative - Mum kept in hospital when pregnant - taken in at 3 months because they discovered the Rh factor in 1947 and my Mum in 1948 was considered high risk - poor thing had to stay in Kingston (Surrey) hospital for 6 months leaving my little brother at home to be looked after by relatives in Sunderland. My poor Dad how he coped I do not know and when I was cheeky as a teenager I was told "if only you knew what your Mother did to have you" !
I remember them coming round with an alarmingly big needle after each pregnancy to jab me in the thigh to prevent rhesus factor affecting future pregnancies. I wish they'd tested my husband to see what blood group he was, rather than stabbing me haha 🤣
I was told when giving blood in early 80’s - year not my age he he - that with my blood group I shouldn’t have a second child - only had one had miscarriage on second- I wonder if that’s why - antibodies fight second child more than first- hence why me as a second child has so many health issues and my siblings don’t !
Rhesus factor is a complication, you are normally ok in the first pregnancy, but the antibodies that can form if your baby is RH positive in subsequent pregnancies can lead to miscarriage, stillbirth etc. However since the invention of the anti RH jab to be given after any pregnancy, successful or not, hopefully its no longer an issue.
Thank goodness for that progression with such a life threatening problem for dear babies !
I am O+ their father is A+ but when my children were born they had ABO incompatibility which is very similar where your blood and theirs mixes but you don't get an injection (be thankful for that) my son had to have a blood transfusion at a day old (with the implications of contaminated blood or not) and my daughter's health suffered because they didn't diagnose it.
All that said I don't believe that Thryroid problems are related to blood group, perhaps we should do a poll.
Ouch !
Oh I remember that injection. One nurse said that this is going to hurt as it's one of the 'thickest' things they have to give. It did 😐
I'm one of the 2% of people who are B negative.
Yes it seems a further insult after you've just given birth.
My grandmother lost many babies after my father was born in the mid 1920s. It was only when she had an operation in her 70s or 80s that she discovered she was Rhesus negative. Rather sad.
That is sad - the Rh factor was only 'discovered' in 1947 - what a shame for her.
Some medical historians have speculated that Anne Boleyn may have been RH negative and its why after successfully delivering the future Elizabeth 1st, she had at least 2 more miscarriages before Henry VIII got rid of her.
I’m also B negative. I had injection after first 2 babies but not my third as it was explained (after I asked) that they tested babies blood & he is O neg blood group so I didn’t need it. That was in 1986.
Thank goodness things have improved since 1947 - pity thyroid diagnosis hasn’t enjoyed the same path !
I think that's the mega rare one ?
Sorry what is mega rare?
Sorry it isn't a technical term I thought it might be one of the rare blood groups but not sure without looking at the blood documents listing them all.
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I'm an A+ which seems to be one of the unhealthiest! With Hashi's
I'm A+, too. I'm told I don't have Hashimotos, but frankly the GPS and endos I've seen over the last almost 30 years have been rubbish with thyroid stuff. (surprise surprise). I'm generally fairly health, in I rarely come down with a cold or anything (but covid floored me in the summer), but I've got an autoimmune skin condition that is linked very, very closely to Hasimotos.
I came across this article last time I was looking into blood types, thankfully I don't suffer with H.pylori or high cortisol 🙃 also dietary advice for us is vegetarian which ties in as I've never been a meat lover
NHS only test TPO antibodies 🙄
Thanks for this post posthinking01 . I am also Group O Positive and have Graves. Very interesting and vital information to have. I have a small card with this information on it, which I was given by the hospital where I had my first son. I always keep this in my purse, but would anyone think to find it!
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There is an awful lot of rubbish spouted about blood groups.
At the same time, so far as practicable, blood groups should be considered in research. Even if not a prime factor, it might produce some interesting information.
And almost all the articles ignore the super-rare blood groups. And, often, even the rhesus factor.
I haven't looked far but this is a possible avenue for unearthing information:
europepmc.org/search?query=...
helvella the documents I found were genuine research documents - I will upload when I get a minute.
researchgate.net/publicatio...
I apologise - I was not pointing at what you had found. That is interesting. Rather that there have been numerous papers which are like "secrets of the pyramids" and "ancient aliens"!
The other day I posted as below. There are, clearly, reasons that each of have our own setpoints and these are likely inherited. And some of them might actually be ones that are behind blood groups, or closely associated with them. Such that we would see statistical variations such as were reported.
Haematological setpoints are a stable and patient-specific deep phenotype
healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...
No offence taken Helvella we are old friends on here !
I am B+ so I don’t think there is a connection
However I think a lot of thyroid conditions come from our ancestors. I am half Irish and a lot of people of Irish descent have thyroid disease because of the potato famine when people were starving to death. I think I posted about this before. In the USA people who are descendants from the native Indians also have a similar connection because they were also starving.
Totally agree with you - I have Irish genes on one side and Italian Gt Grandfather who came over from Italy during the famines in late 1800's - to Manchester - two famine areas - I have read documents over the years that famine is a definitive marker on the genes for thyroid issues and these thyroid genes are passed down stronger with each generation so it is passed on again and again ! I check necks when I see people and also look at the eyes - if one is slightly dropped that is low thyroid and a red mark at the back of the neck is autoimmune - talk about being a 'thyroid person watcher' it drives me insane !
Ha ha. I keep spotting middle aged women with fat necks and thin hair and think to myself she has a thyroid problem, I wonder if she knows.
I know awful isn’t it but not funny that they probably don’t know !
Yes it is and I think if more men suffered with thyroid problems doctors might do something about it. No offence to all the men on this site.
My hubby gets really cross about how women are not 'looked' after medically - probably doesn't help he has traipsed all over the country with me for 25 years to get me help with my thyroid problems. But I get even more angry that our men are not getting looked after either with no prostrate testing etc. on the NHS - all recently stopped apparently !!!
Not sure about that. My GP did a physical examination of my prostate last week and has given me a script for a PSA test next week. Perhaps it depends on where one lives.
That's good news - my hubby has previously had the same but listening to the advert for prostrate UK on the TV and been reading tests are stopping - as they say all it does is case distress to the person receiving the results when nothing needs to be done (in their opinion - I think it came from NICE) hopefully it hasn't travelled down yet to regional levels. Long may that continue !
I never knew that, about a red mark on the back of the neck.
Very interesting. I have Hashi's (diagnosed hypo in 1997 but it was through Medichecks, I discovered it was autoimmune) and last July I found a rash like mark on the back of my neck. It wasn't there before. GP just dismissed it of course. I posted a pic of it on the lupus forum and all that saw it and responded, agreed that it looked "lupus y". GP dismissed my concerns about that too.
Gawd, the condition that keeps on giving, eh 😱🤣😒
The red mark is like a burn - just under the hairline at the back and don't even think about telling any medical person about it - they won't know - the information I have is going back years and years (some docs 1850) when the medical profession did know this stuff. - what a shame they never kept up. Diagnosis could be so easy then - the raspy voice - the dropped eye etc. which I used to use when trying to get my thyroid meds right - and I also noticed a red mark on my forehead when my thyroid hormone was low which I have found through research deep on the internet is a pituitary response - in other words the pituitary is sending out more hormone to drive up the thyroid - fascinating how our bodies try so desperately to help us out but even more fascinating finding this stuff out !
Wow, this is amazing! The mark is like a burn, under the hairline. AND, I did have a red rash across my forehead for a few weeks, years before I knew I had a thyroid problem.
You're so right about medics being more genned up in the past. (And, probably, more willing to listen, too.)
I'm adding a pic of the rash, just so you can see what I mean. I've learnt so much today. Thankyou.
Rash
Yep that's it ! Join the club - wear with pride ! The reasons in times past the medical profession knew the symptoms to look out for is because they did not rely on a thyroid blood test (blood tests were started in the late 70's) that has recently been found to be wrong - Professor Toft who was on the panel to calculate these tests has now admitted they are inadequate - he has and is trying to tell his colleagues (he is retired now) so it is difficult - it suits them to just say your blood tests are fine - saves money and time with an endocrinologist !
Aww, s#*t....looks like I'm stuck with it then. 😥Yeah, aren't blood tests the bane of our lives. In the old days doctors actually did a bit of diagnosing didn't they. Now, if the bloods don't match our symptoms there's nothing wrong with us or we are offered anti depressants . Progress? Really?🫂x
I know its awful !
Interesting!
B+ with Irish great-grandparents here too (I’m Scottish so it’s v common to have Irish ancestry )
How blood groups evolved is interesting too. The Seven Daughters of Eve - by Bryan Sykes - is an informative read - O for Original - A for Agrarian and so on... woo woo for some probably, but grabbed my interest !
You are right. I just did a quick google and O blood groups are more likely to have thyroid disease. My mother was O and had a large nodule which she had removed in the 70s. However she was never diagnosed with thyroid disease and was fine after it was removed as it was completely benign. She did have problems with swallowing so that was how they discovered it.
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yep me! O positive with Hashi’s and my Mum was O negative. I’m her third. Don’t remember any drama about rhesus, she was the eldest of 4. I have Irish ancestry on the other side, my granny and aunt with thyroid issues and uncles with multiple AI conditions.
Well, given that nearly half of the population in the world is blood type O, is it not logical that a greater number of thyroid disorders are found in this population .... just by numbers alone ...
And no offence to the author or the publication, but the 'Asian Academic Research Journal of Multidisciplinary' is not really a highly ranked journal.
Ooo that’s very smart thinking! Here I am with my n=1 proof 🤣
Well, occasionally I have my bright moments and can do a bit of 'appliance of science' ... 😂
Ouch that isn't very kind to those poor people in Iraq who thought they were doing such important work - some of the finest work I have found is from India and Iran did the only research paper on zinc deficiency (at the time I was looking for my own purposes) - which they found was causing problems in young males development and was traced to their food source which was missing zinc due to changes in food processing or similar can't remember the exact cause.
I am afraid kindness is not a factor in the decision, if an article is getting into a top journal or not, even if the authors believe they are doing important work. Editors of journals have the task of analysing the publication for scientific rigour and a publication should highlight new findings. I am not saying that there cannot be any bias, but this is what the process is. And as I have pointed out, the most numerous blood group is type 0 (a simple google search will highlight this) and this is why you see more patients with thyroid disease or Hashimoto's having blood group 0. There is no mystery or new insights here, just confirming what is already known.
And this is why this publication is not in the Lancet and has only been accepted for publication in a low-ranking journal. This is not being unkind, it is just a fact.
I used to think that I was a universal donor too, but found out a few years ago that I'm not, because I'm O positive. Only O negs are universal.
I have just been reading up on blood groups and didn’t realise mine was only 8% of the population and is needed for people with sickle cell. On the downside we are more likely to have a heart attack or a stroke. Correction only 8% are donors I thought it was bit strange. It should be 10% of the UK population
Yes I have just checked that I am O neg - and was grabbed by the blood transfusions people in the late 80's when I turned up to give blood for the first time - I was asked do you smoke - Yes - have you just had a cigarette - yes in the car on the way here - your blood is very low in red blood cells - have you had lunch today - no - I have had a very busy day at work and didn't get time - have you had plenty to drink before coming here - not really couple of cups of coffee - oh dear you shouldn't have done all those things - I said very sorry but I didn't know I wasn't supposed to although common sense should have told me really - a woman comes running over from the other side of a screen like a banshee she's O neg - take it - I said but you said it wasn't wise after what I had done today - she said that's OK and said you are a universal donor and we need it - well apart from the fact I was ill for 3 days exhausted unable to get out of bed -I felt so sorry for the poor person who got my inadequate blood ! By the way gave up smoking Year 2000 at midnight !
Well done you, your story has just reminded me 1st & only time I gave blood I was ill literally couldn't get up off the bed after giving blood lucky a friend with there & went to get my hubby, doctor advised don't give blood ever, this was a year before I was diagnosed border line Hashi/Ord makes sense now
Oh no same as me you poor thing - my Father was not impressed with the way I was treated and told me never to give blood ever again - only reason I did was because my dear late Mum had a serious case of ulcerative colitis when she would need 8 pints of blood at a time and a 6 month stay in hospital getting more - so I felt I wanted to pay back those dear people who helped her - but never did it again.
I want to give blood as both parents gave all the time earning the blood donor 2 hearts badge. My sister never had a problem heyho luck of the draw, admire your reasons.
I am O positive and I have hashimotos.
Like you, I too am Group O-negative… the “universal donor” that can only receive O-negative blood. I too have been diagnosed as Hashi since 2004 but it then took another 7 years of suffering on levothyroxine monotherapy before my old endo tried me on Liothyronine after which I got my life back.
Oh great you are now feeling better - yes I had success on T3 - I had 15 years of no thyroid hormone as blood tests showed 'nothing wrong ' even though I was at the bottom of the range -with 100 symptoms as shown on Thyroid UK website - then on NDT which did not suit me - I was dripping with perspiration all day even in the Winter months - then T4 only tablets - but didn't realise wasn't absorbing it due to lactose intolerance - then on liquid levo - but made things better but not totally then started to get ill again and my GP bless him prescribed T3 - but I tried the T3 only and that didn't suit me once again went hyper - now on levo and bit of T3 which seems to suit me better ! Keep well !
Thinner Blood though and less Heart Attacks and Strokes. I have known about it for years my Nephew is a stroke consultant.
It was over fifty years ago that I first gave blood and looked into the fact that my O Positive was in fact a positive.
I am Group I Rhesus D negative and diagnosed with under active thyroid in 2001.
yes another O positive and with a mother with O positive. Both of us with thyroid issues. Acupuncture practitioners say O positive are likely hypothyroid. Xx
Yes I am O blood. Thyroid conditions are rife in my family maternal side with family reaching 28 then boom thyroxine prescribed. I didn't know my dad's side of the family but his health declined at age 60 I never knew his blood group
I'm Blood Group O. Have Hypothyroidism, Atrophic thyroiditis (shrivelled thyroid), Hashimotos Thyroiditis. Fertility treatment. One miscarriage, problems with pregnancies. Haven't heard of this bit would be interested in any research.
Janexxx😊❤️
I'm O Negative and my mum is A Negative, we both have hypothyroidism.
If nothing else this post has ensured we all know our blood group !
Wow that's interesting I'm group O negative same as my mum never diagnosed with Hashi/Ord but in later life I believe she was!
Hi posthinking01
I'm O neg and have low Thyroid. I have Thyroid atrophy now. I was a blood donor for a while but then last Christmas I had a letter telling me they wouldn't accept my donations anymore due to a very high antibody marker!
Oh sorry to hear about your atrophy - me too same thing - a shame when our blood group is needed so much but you can't help that - I have read that our blood group and those who give blood are called Baby Heroes as it is the only blood group that can be given to very poorly immune deficient newborns bless them and all those who can give blood and help them !
Interesting. I’m A positive & have lots of auto immune illnesses. Hypothyroidism Asthma RA Excema Lichen Planus , Sjogrens Syndrome not sure if Raynauds is classed as autoimmune.
Sorry to hear you have so many problems to deal with - apparently Raynauds isn't an AI problem but if you have AI issues it does go with the conditions. Keep well !
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