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Hi All

I have been taking 1 x 20mg Carbimazole Tablet once a day for a week after been diagnosed with Hyperthyroidism with mutliple nodules.

1 week into taking the tablets I have developed an itchy scalp over night and my hair is coming out and breaking.

Unable to get hold of my doctors or Endocrinology I am at a loss.

Can I start taking turmeric capsules immediately, will this help (I read online it could)?

Should I call 111 and get advice about if the carbimazole is the correct dose?

Should I just wait for my doctors to reopen on Monday?

My emotions were improving on Thursday and this has set me right back.

Any advice greatly receieved

Thanks.

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When I had Graves back in 2012 I was treated with block and replace and was prescribed 20 mcg carbimazole for four weeks then tested again and as not enough had happened I was contacted by my endo who I was not due to see for another two months and told to increase my daily dose to 40mcg.

By the time I got to my first endo appointment I was very hypo. I was told to lay of the carb for ‘ a few days’ I started levothyroxine and stopped the carb for four days.

By the time I got to my second visit my hair was falling out like mad. It drove me round the bend. My fingernails were also a disaster and very painful. When I saw the endo on my second visit she said my hair was falling out because my body had been on a roller coaster journey having gone from being very hyper to being very hypo!

I used meadowsweet shampoo for a long time - unfortunately the company are no longer in existence but I also used a Kerastase shampoo designed for scalp health that was very good. Eventually my hair stopped falling out but I found it really upsetting. I used an OPI nail product on my nails too and that was a huge help. I also always took a high strength slow release vitamin C capsule and made sure my vitamins D3 and B12 plus ferritin and folates were well up in their ranges.

Have you read the Patient Information Leaflet that came with your carbimazole?

That tells you what side effects to look out for, you could also speak to a pharmacist they might be able to help. I know a few weeks after I started carb I developed a bit of a sore throat and saw my GP asap for blood tests but my bloods were fine so I stuck with the carb for the year my treatment lasted.

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SlowDragonAdministrator

what were your results BEFORE starting Carbimazole

Have you had Trab or TSI antibodies tested to confirm definitely Graves’ disease

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once for autoimmune HYPOthyroid….also called Hashimoto’s

Hashimoto’s frequently starts with transient hyperthyroid results and symptoms. We see small, but steady stream of hashimoto’s patients initially misdiagnosed as having Graves’ disease (hyperthyroid) if all thyroid antibodies not test

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Low vitamin levels are extremely common, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease - Hashimoto’s or Graves.

Low iron/ferritin frequently causes hair loss. Low ferritin especially common with hashimoto’s

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Significant minority of Hashimoto’s patients only have high TG antibodies (thyroglobulin)

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Post all about what time of day to test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

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Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/testing/thyro...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

thyroiduk.org/signs-and-sym...

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Get new blood test organised on Monday

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minijo1 in reply to SlowDragon

Serum TSH Level was <0.008

T3 was 7.8 (high)

T4 was 18.0 (just in normal zone)

Vit D was 60 (just in normal zone but towards low end)

B12 was 102 (ok)

Folate was 6.2 (ok)

This was 3 weeks ago and they put be on Carbimazole 1 week ago, blood test end of July for Thyroid function and TSH Receptor ABS

Been given no advice, had no one to talk to about symptoms, why this is happening, what is happening etc

Already on surgical removal of goitre list but that was pre this result and they only wanted to remove the right side with 4cm growth and leave the 3cm growth the other side, Endocrinology have written to ENT to ask if they will remove it all now, but that letter won't get to ENT until Wednesday.

Emotions all over the place.

Thanks for any advice.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to minijo1

blood test end of July for Thyroid function and TSH Receptor ABS

What was Trab result

Ft4 and Ft3 barely above top of range

Suggests this is possibly more likely Hashimoto’s - autoimmune HYPOthyroid

Or it is possible to have Hashimoto’s and Carbimazole at same time…..but rare

Carbimazole is often not correct treatment for transient hyperthyroid with only Hashimoto’s, as Carbimazole will lower thyroid levels very rapidly

B12 was 102

Folate was 6.2

can you add ranges on these results

Is B12 test serum B12 or Active B12

No ferritin result …..or iron?

Vitamin D, are you currently taking any vitamin D supplement

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minijo1 in reply to SlowDragon

B12 just says - plasma vitamin B12 102 pmol/L (normal range 52 - 128) - can't see any reference to the word active?

Was not advised to take any Vit D - should I be?

the only other tests I had were:

Erythrocyte sedimentation rate - which is 10 (normal range 1 - 12)

HbA1C levl - IFCC - result 33 (normal range 20 - 41)

Serum Bilirubin - result 45 (normal range 5 - 26) - so high!

White cell count - result 4.7 (normal range 4 - 11)

Lymphocyte count - result 1.22 (normal 1.5 to 4.5) - so a bit low!

Cannot see the word Iron - could it be referred to as something else?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to minijo1

B12 just says - plasma vitamin B12 102 pmol/L (normal range 52 - 128) - can't see any reference to the word active?

So, looking at ranges …that is an Active B12 test

High bilirubin - suggests Gilbert’s syndrome. Common liver variation

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbe...

Iron

Could be listed as ferritin or haemoglobin

helvella profile image
helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK

There might be something in my blog to help.

helvella - Splitting Carbimazole Doses

A short discussion about Carbimazole primarily focussed on splitting doses but containing some other information.

helvella.blogspot.com/p/hel...

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