Poppygay

[Poppygay]

Im on 75 mercury pharma levo im so depressed the doctor what's me to try antidepressants is there others with thyroid problems on antidepressants !!??

[SlowDragon Administrator]

Looking at previous post

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Your ferritin levels are terrible and GP should be doing full iron panel test for anaemia

Have you increased iron rich foods in diet, you can hide liver is shepherds pie, etc if don’t like the taste

Vitamin D slightly low - presumably you have now increased vitamin D dose to 2000ih

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function. There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need,

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Government recommends everyone supplement October to April

Likely under medicated/low Ft3

Low Ft3 leads to low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels tend to lower TSH

Essential to improve low vitamin levels to optimal

Always test thyroid levels as early as possible in morning before eating or drinking anything other than water and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3

£29 (via NHS private service ) and 10% off down to £26.10 if go on thyroid uk for code

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/

Do test early Monday or Tuesday morning and then post back via tracked postal service

NHS easy postal kit vitamin D test £29 via

vitamindtest.org.uk

[Poppygay in reply to SlowDragon]

I have tried to get ap at gp but fully booked they say try tomorrow and when i do same reply doing what you told me to do got some liver and blackpudding and taking the vits my stomach and bowel feel up set most of the time not myself at all god bless for your quick relay sorry i dont think it was you that said liver or black pudding

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to Poppygay]

Have you had thyroid antibodies tested

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease also called Hashimoto’s diagnosed by high thyroid antibodies

Strictly gluten free diet often helps or is essential

Get coeliac blood test via GP before considering trial on strictly gluten free diet

[Poppygay in reply to SlowDragon]

That's what i want to talk to him about coeliac test thank you 🙏🏻

[Anthea55]

Dear Poppygay,

Depression is one of the many symptoms of underactive thyroid. You need to get your thyroid sorted out rather than taking antidepressants. Don't agree to antidepressants.

Here is a link to the ThyroidUK website. This page lists the many symptoms you may get if your thyroid isn't working properly. It lets you download and print a ticklist of symptoms which you can then fill in and show to your doctor.

thyroiduk.org/if-you-are-un...

It is also essential for you to get nutrients as good as you can. Slowdragon is absolutely right, so ask GP for that full iron panel and other suggestions.

Best wishes. You will get very good advice on here.

[Poppygay in reply to Anthea55]

Thank you ever so much i wont go on antidepressants but this forum is wonderful and all of u have good advice slowdragon is brilliant im 77yr women ive been living with it for 30 years some days i feel like my legs wont hold me up and im going to hit the floor these feeling are arful when im like this i just want to hide away from everyone ,sorry for babbling on i can b a jolly person when im on a good day god bless

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to Poppygay]

Highly likely you have low Ft3….legs not working well Especially with such low vitamin levels

Poor gut function with autoimmune thyroid disease can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances.

Most common by far is gluten. Dairy is second most common.

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but a further 80% find gluten free diet helps, sometimes significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal

Before considering trial on gluten free diet get coeliac blood test done FIRST just to rule it out

Private test here if GP won’t

lloydspharmacy.com/products...

If you test positive for coeliac, will need to remain on gluten rich diet until endoscopy (officially 6 weeks wait)

If result is negative can consider trialing strictly gluten free diet for 3-6 months. Likely to see benefits. Can take many months for brain fog to lift.

If no obvious improvement, reintroduce gluten see if symptoms get worse.

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

drknews.com/changing-your-d...

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Non Coeliac Gluten sensitivity (NCGS) and autoimmune disease

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/296...

The predominance of Hashimoto thyroiditis represents an interesting finding, since it has been indirectly confirmed by an Italian study, showing that autoimmune thyroid disease is a risk factor for the evolution towards NCGS in a group of patients with minimal duodenal inflammation. On these bases, an autoimmune stigma in NCGS is strongly supported

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/300...

The obtained results suggest that the gluten-free diet may bring clinical benefits to women with autoimmune thyroid disease

nuclmed.gr/wp/wp-content/up...

In summary, whereas it is not yet clear whether a gluten free diet can prevent autoimmune diseases, it is worth mentioning that HT patients with or without CD benefit from a diet low in gluten as far as the progression and the potential disease complications are concerned

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Despite the fact that 5-10% of patients have Celiac disease, in my experience and in the experience of many other physicians, at least 80% + of patients with Hashimoto's who go gluten-free notice a reduction in their symptoms almost immediately.

[Poppygay in reply to SlowDragon]

Your so knowable and understanding thank you i wish my gp would understand they just dismiss me and say bloods r fine,slowdragon i wish they could b in my body for a day or two to know what it feels like god bless

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to Poppygay]

I was 28 years very unwell until joined the forum….more info on my profile page

Only made progress by getting FULL thyroid and vitamin testing done privately

Most important improvements were

Getting vitamins OPTIMAL

Strictly gluten free diet

Fine tuning dose levothyroxine

Finally being prescribed small dose T3 alongside levothyroxine after 28 years on just levothyroxine.

[Poppygay in reply to SlowDragon]

Thank you for your reply im so pleased finally after 28yrs you are geting treated with a small amount of T3 take care

[shaws Administrator in reply to Poppygay]

You aren't babbling on because practically all of us on this post have had to learn how best to try to improve our health and we got support on this forum and many have excellent knowledge - more than the doctors.

One instance is that my GP told me that T3 converts to T4 when it is actually T4 is supposed to convert to T3, so few GPs seem to have the knowledge doctors had before blood tests were introduced for diagnosing etc.

The NHS would save a fortune if they followed the 'old-fastioned method' doctors used before the introduction of blood tests. They could diagnose us without any blood tests at all but they knew all clinical symptoms and we got a trial of NDTs (made from animals' thyroid glands) and if we felt better it was gradually increased until we felt relief from clinical symptoms,

The GPs don't seem to have the knack that our 'older' doctors did.

If you take levothyroxine alone, ask GP to test Free T4 and Free T3. If he agrees make sure blood draw is the earliest possible. It is a fasting test so don't eat until after the test and allow a gap of 24 hours between last dose of thyroid hormones and the test and take it afterwards.

Also ask for B12, Vit D, iron, ferritin and folate to be tested at the same time.

Request a print-out of your results, with the ranges and put on a new post for comments.

[Poppygay in reply to shaws]

Thank you ,idid ask for t3 to b tested he put it on my blood form but the labs wouldn't test because ths and t4 were in normal range so now i will get it tested private god bless for your concern its nice to know there are lovely people out there giving good advice better then any gp

[shaws Administrator in reply to Poppygay]

I think it is ridiculous that the lab refused to test what the doctor ordered. It's a stupid decision by them.

We've to practically learn more than any GP or Endo if we want to remove our clinical symptoms and lead a normal life.

[Poppygay in reply to shaws]

I know, im new to the forum but have had my eyes opened for the first time,than in the last 30 yrs there are so many knowledgeable people on this forum its wonderful god bless