Proof - UK GP's are lazy and arrogant

[marigold22]

dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...

England's most senior GP quits his post after sparking fury by using fake 'Devil's Advocate' profile to troll 'workshy and greedy' NHS doctors.

Dr Arvind Madan has resigned after he trolled medics online using a fake profile

The top NHS boss suggested that family doctors are both greedy and workshy.

The comments he made on the Pulse website prompted many angry replies.

So - proof that UK GP's are lazy and arrogant. Also it seems that citizens are learning what we on HU know.......

flowergirl12, London, United Kingdom, wrote in letters :-"The usual scenario is that no-one can ever get a referral to a consultant, ever. Even then, they tend to be old school types who haven't got a clue and offer no solutions. Best to do one's own research about the problem and go abroad where the training is better anyway. To get necessary scans I've always paid and when needed, I've seen private doctors to pay for a prescription write up. I once got an MRI referral from my NHS GP but some cursory internet research concluded that it was the wrong type of machine and anyway. Fact is, many of them are beyond useless and thanks to Wiki, their jobs are becoming obsolete."

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I am very fussy about my own GPs and can only usually find one maybe two decent ones in a practice. They are usually the ones that are aware of how abusive thier own profession is and are working hard to buck the trend.A couple of quotes from two of them. ' I Hope you dont mind but I think I can tell by the way you walked in the room that you have been medically abused. Dont tell me about it as it will upset you and it will upset me to hear it. It wont happen in this room OK. I work for you not the NHS, You are in charge of your care with me and I will tell you if I thing something is dangerous or if I cant do something you want because it will get me in trouble'. Bless him and another GP phoned me once and said 'I work for the vilest profession in the world and there is almost nothing I can do to change it'.

I find the whole thyroid business interesting. When have abusers ever lsitenned to thier victims? 100's of thousand of complaints and only one doctor willing to talk to us on this forum. I imagine over time more and more people will opt out of medical care as much as possible, as so many of us have over this thyroid issue. I think on of the biggest issues is how insular the medical profession is and its insistance that doctors can only learn from other doctors. They will not climb down off thier high horse. They are the oldest profession ithe world and the most powerful. my mum said to me before I started nursing ' dont argue with doctors ever, they are as powerful with a syringe as a soldier with a gun and if you argue they will shoot the patient and if you are very unlucky you too, doff your cap at all times'. I argued with a doctor once,asking him to have another look at a patient in pain and it was then a long twelve weeks before that patients got any treatment including pain relief for his broken leg.

My dad treated me at home for an electrolight inbalance. he was an ambulance man then a nurse. I had drunk 50 glasses of water to see what would happen to the human body if you did that. Rather crazy but I was only twelve he said 'Ill tell you what happens to the human body. The human body normally ends up in the care of doctors. The first hurdle is getting them to look at you properly if they are not too busy patting each other on the back or flirting with the nurses you might be lucky and get examined properly. Then if you do get examined properly you then need to get diagnosed. You are very lucky if they actaully know what is wrong but they will only diagnose you even if they know what is wrong as long as the diagnoses is something run of the mill that wont offend the consultant. They then have to decide whether they like you enough to treat you anyway.They dont like anxious patients.If you are anxious they they take offence, they see it as a less than god like trust in thier abilitys to look after you. Anxous patients get a raw deal and never insult one even if you are utterlly delerious, they will kill you if you do. Never argue or upset one. and then if the treament is wrong there is not chance of getting it changed as they never admit they are wrong.'

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[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Can I adopt your GP, please ?

Agree with everything you've said.

Further proof was reported yesterday regarding heart surgeons at St Georges Hospital, London.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Thank you. I think the reputation if the medical profession is dimishing by the minute and it is not just on this forum. People will just opt out hopefully. We need a good comedian to take the piss out of them. I am working on a book but who ever does it will be putting thier life on the line.

[LAHs in reply to Hidden]

Wow mandyjane, that certainly puts a lot of the jigsaw pieces together. What a shame, national or universal health care is such a good idea but no-one must abuse it regardless of which side of the stethoscope you are on.

Funny you should mention it, I just accidentally did that electrolyte wash out thing recently. I was also reducing my salt due to high blood pressure. We have had weeks of triple digit temps here so I decided to drink gallons and gallons of water - which felt good at the time. I then suddenly got leg cramps like I have never had before in my life, so I gave up the low salt idea and stopped the over-doing water experiment. The cramps have not disappeared entirely but they only happen about once a week now instead of three times a night. A doctor once told me very seriously, "Never experiment on yourself!" .......mmmm, OK, but that's no fun.

[Hidden in reply to LAHs]

It is not good to do this. I was seriously ill.Best if your have some sea salt and see GP and ask to have electrolights tested.If things like pottasium too low it can be very serious.

I have known two people die of over drinking water.Are you twitching?

[LAHs in reply to Hidden]

Yes, I agree. Well, when my muscles were not cramping up into a ball they were twitching. It is a good idea to check your potassium now and again.

[ladytelita]

Dont believe a word of it. Doctors work very hard. Only a few are truly lazy. The fact this is in the Daily Mail tells me its rubbish just for starters. They never publish anything that isnt going to cause problems for someone and make others gossip.

[candi1 in reply to ladytelita]

I agree and disagree....I thinkk that it is not neccecesarily always the doctor that is at fault.....but rather the system in which they work.

For example.....the other day I had an appointment and was told that as my TSH level was 'normal' ( and we all know how useless that information on its own is !!!!! )....he told me that even if he wanted to refer me to an endo.....he could not.

The reason for this is the new feilding system for appointments......his referral goes through an office , probably staffed by under qualified medics .....who look at it, look at your TSH results and then refuse the refferal to go through.

My doctor even said....under his breath.....the NHS is becoming impossible to work for......that I find extremely worrying.

Medicine will soon become here as it is in the USA......if you have the money you are OK.....if not.....good luck to you

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to candi1]

Most thyroid patients need full private blood tests....we currently have worst system in that NHS doesn't even admit we need full testing because they can't/won't offer it.

If you are proactive and do your own research then at least we can now get our own tests organised

But majority of patients still believe everything GP says and never question it

Just testing TSH and FT4 is completely inadequate

[Hidden in reply to candi1]

The biggest problem with the system is lack of accountability and the extent to which doctors are controlled but there is an appalling culture of arrogance in the profession that does so much harm. One issue I had todeal with a lot working with elderly confused people was undiagnosed broken bones.I knew it was an issue so as far as possible I side lined the doctors and called an ambulance if I suspected one. The ambulance crew the first time I called them out, explained to me how to spot a broken bone in the elderly confused (Its presentation is very different that in the none confused) they said that they were always picking elderly confused people up who had gone weeks without pain relief or treatment for broken bones. Thye had a good way to spot one which they shared with me. Apparently the chief of the ambulance crews had tried numerous times tomeet with GPs rtalk to them via CCGs but they just were not interested.he was doing a PHDstudy on this subject hoping to get it published with the title DR to see if he might be listened to then. The ward doctor was fuming the next day that I had not called him and asserted 'I can diagnose a broken hip'. I said 'good you can help the ambualnce cheif get heard then give him a ring, work with him, you only sit around here getting bored all the time'. He said I dont need to talk to the ambulance cheif I discuss things with my medical colleuges. I said 'they are getting things wrong' and he said 'and you expect me to belive the ambualnce crew can do better'. I spent many years after being able to spot a broken bone at a glance but never knew a doctor get one right but will they listen.Thye really do only listen to each other,theyconsider the rest of us as lesser beings and that is widespread. It would be unusual to find one who was not like this.

[Hidden in reply to candi1]

I kind of think things must be better for people in USA as they are not pretending to have an all encomapssing health service so people know where they stand. It is a case of sorry your insurance does not cover this rather than inthe NHS being told there is nothing wrong with you to phob you off. I am happy for doctors to say they are not allowed to do furthur testing or that they dont know but to be told you are fine when you are really ill is so unhelpful but it happens all the time.The NHS needs tobeclear about what it can and cannot provide and stop pretending it is the be all and end all.I presonally would like the wealthyest people in the country taxed to provide me with a budget to spend on health as I see fit.

[marigold22 in reply to ladytelita]

ladytelita It's now on the BBC website. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45078391

[caz320ml in reply to marigold22]

And it was in the Times, I truly believe it having been around doctors for a lot of years. Husband misdiagnosed for 10 years. They kept giving him reflux medicine (it was being promoted at the time by the drug companies) and he had asthma, a member of the asthma society diagnosed him over the phone just by hearing his voice. Dad went to doctors on Tuesday with chest and arm pain, sent away as nothing wrong with him. Died of a heart attack on the thursday a few hours before he was due to fly to canada. Mum treated for constipation despite having the exact symptoms of the acronym for ovarian cancer (Bloated And Eating less Tell your doctor - BEAT) When the pain was so bad she was crying in the surgery they gave her antidepressants - a week later she collapsed and was rushed into hospital and had stage 4 cancer. Survived to have an op and she had asked if she could decide whether to have a bowel resection done and they said yes up until the morning of the surgery. She had decided and told them yes but the message was never passed on so they missed the cancer in her bowel and it came back and killed her. And this is just a few of the dealings I have had with doctors.

[marigold22 in reply to caz320ml]

Bad attitude, lethargy, arrogance, etc etc are obviously endemic within the NHS. Your very sad story about both your parents shows that probably most illnesses are being treated in the most shoddy way. Glad your husband got correct diagnosis.

[caz320ml in reply to marigold22]

Thank you

[JanW in reply to caz320ml]

My sympathy caz my son was fobbed off with antibiotics for weeks with a really bad cough. I told him if he didn't go and demand a chest X Ray I would go down there and kick off. He did, by then he was coughing blood. He had Hodgkin's lymphoma and it had gone into his spine. He was young just 21 and very lucky he managed to beat it. He could have sued them but with the pressure of cancer wouldn't. They surgery changed the rules after that, all over the surgery on walls - if you are young and want a chest X-ray just ask for one. Months later I heard from a locum doctor they had been really hauled over the coals. My son is now in his 30s every day I thank God for him.

[caz320ml in reply to JanW]

Oh Jan I am so pleased that you put your foot down and that your son survived, and by the sounds of it you will have saved the lives of others too. God bless you xx

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I was lucky and had a brilliant GP in Southampton both my parents also had a good and caring GP in Salisbury. Unfortunately these are few. The GP in Salisbury even visited his patients in hospital.

My nephew is a stroke consultant, believes in the NHS and therefore does NO private work.

More caring Doctors are needed most don't even bother to listen.

[lisabax]

Doctors are people. People come in all varieties, some good, some bad. The Daily Mail doesn't offer proof of anything, just scurrilous propaganda designed to get everyone wound up.

[marigold22 in reply to lisabax]

lisabax It's now on the BBC website. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45078391

[JanW in reply to lisabax]

No doctors are lazy and shirking their job. Has anyone else noticed their waiting room almost empty bar one or two people?

[Zephyrbear]

'The British Medical Association (BMA) said Dr Madan had "done the right thing" in offering his resignation.'

Why?

Could it be that now, even with this little gem out of Pandora's Box:

"We can get 6 figure salaries for working 4 days a week 45 weeks a year without on call... run that past the general public and see how much sympathy you get."

things can now return to comfortable 'normal' with the patient none the wiser?

But we are... now!

[Hillwoman]

I tend to ignore stories in the Daily Heil unless they're corroborated elsewhere, as seems to be the case here. Once again we have an example of a person having whistleblown on the more nefarious attitudes and practices of their profession being obliged to resign for having done so and to apologise too. Happens all the time, but particularly in medicine.

[Hidden in reply to Hillwoman]

I never belive or read papers and I never accept anything I had not witnessed with my own eyes. Some doctors are lovely but most of them arrogant and lazy in my experince as a patient and nurse. Thye drive other professional around them too distraction with thier combination of stupid mistakes and refusal to listen and now every body is educating themselves about health their problems are becomming apparent to the rest of the world outside the NHS. I wonder if they will ever listen.

[JanW]

On the rare occasions I ring my GP for an appointment she always fobs me off with the nurse or another doctor, usually one who has no time for anyone, this happens to hubby as well and older friends. Doctors earn six figures and should try doing there job. Only go now when I have too, and strangely the waiting room only ever has one or two people in, so obviously people are being blocked from going and diagnosed over the phone.

Think a lot of the problem is down to ageism as we are now both over 60. The other problem of course is they know they can do what they like and get away with it.