My idea is that there shoudl be a petition to make ' deliberate medical neglect' a criminal offence. It is a big ask and would need a special police service to target this crime but it is morally criminal to refuse to treat someone, leaving them to be ill or die when they could easily be helped. Doctors need to think very carfully before they turn a sick person away based on dubious blood results or refuse to reffer someone because they have too much paper work anyway. yes I realsie it is rife and the police service would be run off thier feet with allegations but a lot of the lack of and poor treatment would stop over night. I reaslie that some of the medical neglect is about funding but more often than not it is also about the medical profession being unaccountable and a law unto themselves. Who would support this? No character assasinations please.
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Re thought on improving everyones NHS medical treatment.
Hi Mandy,
Before you read any further on, I would like you to know that I am a staunch supporter of the NHS. I agree that there are some doctors who feel that paperwork outweighs life, but these microscopic percentages are vastly outdone by doctors who want to save lives (even if it does mean paperwork). It is impossible to police ethics unless you can train the police in medicine, the cost of which could be better utilised training doctors to be doctors.
In short, I applaud your thought, but stumble at your reasoning
I am inclined to disagree and I think there is mountins of evidence on this forum every week to suggest that doctors are not making the effort they should to do thier jobs properly.The implications of this are devisating for the people on the reciving end. Most doctors come into medicine with the intention of doing good and some are very caring worth wile individuals. However there are a number who deliberatly refuse to treat someone out of shear malice. A man was left to bleed to death when I was doing a night shift once as a nurse to punish me for embaressing a nasty consultant.I was openly told this was what was happening by a junior doctor involved. And investiagation did lead to the resignation of te junior doctor but the consultant is still working.I involved the police at the time which was the only thing I could do to get heard but there was not a criminal offence available to charge them with.
I myself made the mistake of argueing with a doctor on admission to hospital with a broken leg and she felt disrespected so I was left for 12 hours with outpain relief and then for 5 days with no opperation or proper pain reflief to punish me for not doffing my cap enough when I was in severe pain. If you have such confidence in the medical profession have an arguement with one on admission.
I also asked a doctor to have another look at an elderly man wom I was concerned had a broken leg. He did not like me questioning him and it turned into a twelve week long battle to getb this man xrayed as I watched the poor chap go down hll dramtically with the pain. He was seen again at least 8 times.I finally called out an on call GP at the weekend and I cried with relief when my own GP arrived because I knew hewas a good egg. The man was Xrayed that day and was found to have a badly fracture leg that he had been forced to walk on for twelve weeks. It had become a deliberatly was a deliberate cover up.
There are a lot of good doctors but very few feel able or willing to stand up to thier governing body or whislte blow.
There are aslo vast numbers of medicore doctors who are incredibly arrogant and unable to take information from other professional or familys.This led to a descion by the ambulance service in Bristol to not speack to them anymore would you belive becasue any suggestio made by the ambualnce crew were not only disregarded but often the doctors would be determind to prove the crew wrong having taken offence at other professionals knowing thier onions. The ambualnce service is amazing by the wayand alwasy has been. I would be much happier if they were in charge of the care in casultys. All they do now is handover a peice of paper to the nurse on admission.This was a deliberate policy to avoid ambulance crews being stressed by medical negligence.
Examples of neglect I have sufferred at the hands of my GP surgery in the lst two years.
1) I was told that producing milk from the breasts was normal for all women untill the menopause and that it affected most women ( hands up folks) and that I could tell any of my freinds that they did not need to see a doctor if this was happening.Not only phobed off about what could be a serious issues but this Dr was so full of herself she assume that everybody else was so thick they would beilive such nonsense.
2) I was told by another doctor when Iwas having a bout of sudo dementia to talk to my abusive husband about it. How onearth did he think the husband I was divorceing was going to cure my memory problems and thank god I dont take much notice of them. I treated myself.
3) I took my extremely hypothyroid child into see a doctorand was fat shamed on his behalf casing distress to both my kids.
I cant be bother to go on but I could for hours reciting incidence of neglect and deliberate abuse I have experinced or witnessed as a nurse.
If you care about the NHS then fight for it to improve.I assure you thatmedical negligence is by far the biggest issue. I assure you I am very well aquainted with NHS having worked in it for 25 years, grown up with an ambulance man for a dad and been chronically ill most of my life.
If youlove then NHS then fight for it dont sit back and delude yourself it is wonderful.
the police would have to employ a couple for doctors to advise.Also dont you think this poor thryodi treatment is deliberate abuse by British thyroid association and thatit is criminal.
I'm also a supporter of the NHS having had chronic illnesses most of my life, my husband would definitely not be here today without the NHS care he has received over the last 40 years, I won't go into details but he has multiple life limiting problems and his doctors work very hard to keep him going.
I've come across bad doctors in my time, I walk away and find a better one. Without the service we will all be in big trouble as is my sister who lives in USA, she can't afford medical care.
I am not anti the NHS at all in principle and have about 50% of the time had good care . What I am into is making doctors more accountable and for the seriousness of medical neglect to be brought home too them, at the moment things are very hit and miss and they have been for a long time.
I am in the Uk and unable to afford medical care. I have to treat myself like so many others and onlywish I had not been hoodwinked for years by doctors telling my blood were fine.It has led to my aging prematurely. I knew I had thyroid desease at the age of fifteen but was told by NHS doctors over many years that there was nothing wrong.Idont want to get rid of the whole of the NHS by any means but imagine the world didnt have doctors at all. I would have treated myself thirty years earlier.We would all be independant managers of own own health and I think the world needs to go this way re also sorts of health issues. We are quite capable and it is our own bodys. We will alwasy need surgeons and emergency services but chronic health conditions could be so better managed with self care.I have alovely GP but rarely go to him not knowing whats needed having already looked it up.Give me a prescription pad any day.
But we do have the NHS over here, in USA they don't so if you can't afford it you don't get it, my sister needed some tests done but they were to expensive and her insurance refused to pay. NHS may not be perfect but it's there for all of us.
I agree. I live in the US and have always taken good medical care for granted. But with all the new rigid regulations not just in healthcare but across the board that are daily being put into place without input from the people I am fearful that we are becoming a police state. Very scary. I don't think we need more policing. One would have to assume that those in charge would be moral, ethical, compassionate, and honest. Extra policing doesn't seem to be working out where I live. Just my opinion. irina
I think the major problem with thyroid disease is that gp’s are not taught about it. The royal college of physicians advocates guidelines that are based on research that is not robust therefore many gps genuinely believe that they only need to test TSH, and that ‘in range’ is ok. I agree poor interpersonal skills are unforgivable, but if the professional body doesn’t support new research the entire blame cannot be put on gps.
We also have the split between endocrinologists, with a few brave souls prepared to speak out against the majority. It is very hard if the specialists also refuse to adopt recent research.
The problem with your idea would be who would decide what was neglect? If the current medical establishment they would close ranks. Sad but true. We need to support new research and to then push to get it recognised by the establishment, then we might win!
yes I can see there would be issues but I just dont see the current system working very well and my experinces have been alarming. I can not see re the comments that my idea would have much support which was fine and what I wanted to assess. the forum has changed though and I think it a shame that I amnot supported to be allowed to express my views on this. he currtn medical system does close ranks and doctors are understandably fearful of the GMCwhcih is a horrid bullying organisation. I am just thinking about ways in which the system could be challanged but this idea is not going to work.Idont thinkmore reasurch is needed we have loads to support better treatment that is just not put into practice.There needs to be a way in which patients are more empowered and protected long term and doctors especially those at the top deciding Nice guidelines and heading up orgs like the the Bristish thyroid association are held to account.
I absolutely agree with you. I have been treated in the most incredibly cruel way regarding my chronic thyroid condition -since 1981. I have copies of my medical notes and am totally speachless at what has been written about me; when I constantly told GPs and consultants my thyroid history. I have been looking into suing the NHS. Many on here have told me not to waste my time & energy. Also having read horrendous stories of, for example, an NHS manager being paid off with £600k after 3 years sick leave, I do not care about costing the NHS (or their insurers) precious funds. I have most definitely been the recipient of medical negligence. However, the sad part is that it wasn't just one GP or one endo, they were all as bad as each other. That has to point to training, or the thyroid associations &/or Royal College Physicians et al, forcing the doctors to treat their patients in a manner which (in my view) goes against the hippocratic oath.
And, in my opinion, more policing leads to a very black and white viewpoint. We need all the shades of gray, imperfect though they may be, otherwise there would only be two extreme viewpoints, with the rest of us left out in the cold. You raise some very good points about who would decide what.
I don't think this is an appropriate place for such a proposal.
The forum is about patient to patient support.
The NHS may not be perfect but the overworked and often under-appreciated staff do work miracles ....I have witnessed this, first hand!
I'm sorry, but I find your suggestion that medics practice "deliberate medical neglect" offensive. I would concede that some doctors fail, and, that accidents do happen....but hard as it is we have to accept that. I have experienced that too ...that's life!
If anything needs to be changed it is the way medics are educated e.g. thyroid disease. This is not necessarily the fault of the doctors, they can only work within the parameters imposed on them.
Be grateful for the NHS.... not having the service is unthinkable.
I could not let this pass without comment but these are my only words on this subject
DD
Of course it is appropriate, Dippy. These forums are full of people politicising, or wanting to politicise, medicine, and for very good reasons. Medicine and politics are irretrievably mixed, since the UK government takes responsibility for health care, and as a patient you can't avoid the political repercussions of that, nor should you.
Nor is anything about the OP's post "offensive"; she is merely stating an opinion, without bad language or insulting remarks. You may be personally offended by it, which, in my opinion, is a slightly odd reaction unless you are a doctor, but you taking offence is your responsibility, not hers. She is discussing medicine and its practice on a forum that includes medicine and its practice and is breaking no rules of that forum.
DippyDame Can you explain to me please, the reason a GP would tell me that there was 'Nothing wrong' with me when now I see from medical notes that at that time (2007) my TSH was 17? Don't you think I am delirious with anger? I was suicidal during that period, I was agoraphobic, and never left my home except very late at night to get to a 24 hour supermarket. That GP who in fact was senior GP at a university practice associated with a Teaching/Research Hospital wrecked my life, not just then but the fallout is continuing to this day. He should have known = medical negligence.
Yes the NHS is great for many illnesses, but it has been proven that they are c..p with endocrinology. I myself have found all the medical papers/journals which explain my illness, and I have healed myself - with the help of this amazing forum. Otherwise I would be housebound in a wheelchair or dead.
Are you suggesting that there is no medical abuse and that the things I assure you I witnessed were just accidents. I am sorry if my thoughts have upset you and I except that they are not well received. I have many many times of the 10 years on this forum expressed ideas for discussion and it has usually been supported and well responded too. I am not a political person or someone trying to bring down the NHS I am just someone who likes to explore issues to see if anything I have to offer might help.
I agree that the doctors can only work within the parameters set for them and that they are a very controlled profession and there is not much freedo thses days for clinical judgement but I am a tad exasperated by the medics who do not like the parameters not speaking out in support of change and upset thatso many are just walking away fromthe profession rather than standing thier ground and working for change.If they walk away as so many do they need to at least be vocal about why.
If it's any consolation I have a great deal of sympathy for the views you express. I too have experienced the kind of scenarios you describe. Not just myself but with elderly family members in particular. All but screaming at them to check my elderly Aunt's spine and investigate issues that led to a complete collapse. They refused and blocked us at every turn as we were viewed as trouble makers. Private testing revealed 2 fractures to her spine and a diagnosis of Parkinsons. She herself was crying out in pain that her leg hurt after physio when a "loud crack" was heard by another member of staff. They labelled her as uncooperative, ignored her pleas and pushed her to continue weight bearing. It was only when we discovered this that we insisted they investigate. An x ray showed a fractured tibia.
I could go on.
The point is "speaking out" against an NHS that is deemed sacrosanct by many is deemed to be an attack on the very existence of the NHS. It is not. It is speaking out about poor management, poor training and yes, sometimes poor treatment and attitudes. It is not an attack on the NHS it is an attack on what is threatening our NHS.
Thank you.
Welcome! Anyone would have thought you'd suggested imprisoning fluffy kittens rather than holding people to account when their negligent actions cause unnecessary suffering. And there was me thinking accountability was a fundamental principle of a just society 🤔 What's that other fundamental principle.....? Oh yeah....freedom of speech!
If you want to make deliberate medical neglect a crime I think you will be pushing against the tide here in the UK.
Psychiatrists have decided that 50% of GP appointments are for "Medically Unexplained Symptoms" (translation : it's all in the patients' heads). They have managed to make it so that any doctor who can't find anything wrong with you in three months is going to stop treating you and will refer you to the psychs for treatment - and the treatment is cognitive behaviour therapy and (possibly) exercise under the IAPT umbrella (Improving Access To Psychological Therapies). The government has spent £1 billion pounds on this since 2008 and loads of clinics have been set up, plus loads of people have been trained to carry out the bare minimum of therapy (CBT). The project is too big to fail, I think. It's supposed to bring savings of 50% on the healthcare budget, or something ridiculous like that.
The GPs and the hospitals are lapping this up because they get to dump all their annoying patients and save lots of money.
The death rate is going to go through the roof and life expectancy will plummet. The UK already has appalling statistics for life expectancy after developing cancer. Now those bad statistics are going to spread further.
I read something earlier today about a young woman who had excruciating pain in her back and was very breathless. Her mother took her to the nearest A&E. She was told there was nothing wrong with her and was sent away. The mother knew something serious was wrong and took her to a private hospital with an MRI scanner or something like that. The young woman had 2 pulmonary emboli. She would have died very quickly if they hadn't been found. But this appears to be exactly what the government wants to happen - for all of us to be driven into the arms of the private sector because it is the only way we'll get treated. If you're too poor to pay I suspect the government would be quite happy if you just died.
Two articles on the problems with MUS (Medically Unexplained Symptoms) :
spoonseeker.com/2018/06/20/...
spoonseeker.com/2018/07/29/...
And a post I wrote a couple of years ago which is still relevant today :
healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...
Thanks for raising this subject again, HB. There seems little awareness of it among the general public. I consider this practice to fall within any normal definition of deliberate harm.
I was not aware of MUS! It's pretty chilling, verging on Orwellian isn't it? It's been my view for a long time that CFS and Fibro were being used in this way. Seems they were the "pilot scheme" and the real event is now coming our way.
Be aware that MUS is getting hidden with lots of different names, but it all amounts to the same thing. Bodily Distress Disorder, Bodily Stress Syndrome (although I think they might change that one when they realise what BS Syndrome could also be short for), Functional Disorders of various kinds, Somatization and lots of other names.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
They all mean "it's all in your head and we won't treat you for your physical problems". They claim that anyone diagnosed with such a thing will be given the tools to help themselves by which they mean they will give people CBT.
As soon as I saw BS I was going to say exactly the same thing! It's truly horrifying!
Gosh thats scary. I have bought insurance for my two kids now and things like this make me very gratefull that I have.
I understand why you wanted to do that. But you are doing just want the government wants - learning to distrust the NHS and running into the arms of the private sector.
Hi Mandyjane. I absolutely appreciate your desire to see doctors made to take responsibility for their neglect, either done through laziness, disinterest or plain ignorance (unfortunately there is a lot of that in medicine!) but it couldn't possibly be 'policed' in the way you suggest, through the police force. For a start they are understaffed and overworked as it is, with budgets dropping daily, so It's just not economically feasible, but also because they are not qualified and you'd have to put a massive infrastructure in to do it - again, not economically viable.
I think instead what is actually needed is a change in the way medicine is taught, with an emphasis away from treating symptoms, and more government control of drug companies, with problems like them being allowed to hide research (something so absurd and destructive you wonder how it was ever allowed in the first place).
Most of the 'neglect' problems stem from bad bureaucracy, the way doctors are taught, and the 'we've always done it this way' thinking that is founded in institutional bad practice, plus lack of control on economic practices and industry. In other words, it's a compound problem that policing would only aggravate, not help (not to mention the fact that it distracts from the REAL problems). You need to attack the underpinning problems, not the people at the bottom of the food chain, i.e. the doctors.
Can I just say in conclusion that although I think your idea is short-sighted, you have an absolute right to express it and there is nothing "offensive" about that, or the content of it.
Hello Chancery! Haven't seen you posting on here for ages. I always loved your posts. 
Hello HB! Nice to see you are still alive and well. No, I don't frequent the thyroid forum any more because my hypothyroid problems were caused by medication (we assume!) so no need. I do miss it though. It's a very lively forum and used by so many (knowledgeable) people that you were always guaranteed to get good answers to your queries and a stimulating debate. That part hasn't changed, I see!
Hi Do you mind me asking which meds caused the problem?
No problem, Shiny, it was anticonvulsants, specifically Carbamazepine, Lamotrigine and Gabapentin. Unfortunately I can't be sure which one/s did it exactly (I was always on more than one drug at a time), but I imagine all of them. They are known for it. What isn't known for sure is whether they actually disrupt the thyroid or they just give false blood results. My money is on them actually disrupting the thyroid, for the simple reason that I also developed Drug Induced Lupus and Sjogren's Syndrome further down the line - both autoimmune conditions, so I reckon, yes, they may disrupt blood test results, but they definitely disrupt the thyroid!
Thanks Chancery. Interesting. My brother has been on carbamazepine in the past but is on one of the newer drugs now. I'm in the process of trying to get him assessed but he's in a care home (has a learning disability) and it's like pulling teeth!
Ah, it's a great dug and an absolute nightmare at the same time. When I first got trigeminal neuralgia it felt like God had come down from the sky and touched me personally when I first got Carbamazepine - it was a real life saver and I was, and am thankful for its existence, but at the same time it has terrible side effects. A mixed blessing indeed!
yes I think it is probably unviable the biggest problem is on the whole is thatthe governing body is inaffective, uninterested in these issues. I had a wonderful GP once who was wacthed like a hawk by them because as a young doctor she used to mouth off and report people. It is all so wrong, people literally getting away with murder and then poor old Dr Skinner bucking the trend and tryingto do something to really help people getting inot trouble with them.
Ah Mandy, it's a fact of any ancient institution that they hate whistle-blowers. Doctoring has such a culture of secrecy it always makes me think of the problem they had with pilots (might have been Korea or Malaysia? I forget where it was now), where co-pilots and cabin crew wouldn't question anything the pilot did; it was perceived as being disrespectful, exactly like the cult around consultants. In one of the famous plane crashes (I'm thinking it was Malaysia now!), the Black Box recorded the co-pilot questioning the pilot's decision, but he does it so tentatively that he might as well not be doing it. The poor soul keeps questioning him until the plane goes down about ten minutes later with the loss of all life, I seem to recall. The airline changed their protocol after that, encouraging co-pilots and cabin staff to question the pilots outright and to disagree with him if needs be, without any punishment or disciplinary action.
Thant's what medicine needs - people to have full permission to question and speak out about anything they see, and for hospitals etc to be openly reprimanded if they are caught trying to bully people out of speaking up. That's why it's important people like yourself speak up and get debate going. No matter how crazy your idea might seem to others, it gets people talking, and that's what's important.
Thank you Chancery your reply is really helpful. There are a huge number of issues that effect poor patient care and although doctors are under a lot of pressure to confrom to bad practice, there are times when individuals, not often, aim to do deliberate harm by neglect but it would take huge investment as you say topolice this and unlikey to happen. I dot agree that the doctors are nesassarily at the bottom of the food chain, patients are,and doctors are very powerful people if they would but realsie it. But the problems are very complex, widespread. I think it might be more appropriate for the police to raid the GMC to find out what they are covering up this week. But yes maybe just a total rethink re governing body. Maybe I am right about it needing to bea criminal offense but this being primarily investigated by the GMC and passed onto thepolice, in an ideal world that is utterly cloud cuckuo land it is so far from reality.
Very frequently - when in intellectual mulling mode - I wonder what the exact reason is that doctors and the overseeing bodies behave in this negligent manner, particularly towards endocrinology patients. As I said in a previous reply here, all of the medical papers are available to read, they keep being told by their (thyroid) patients they are getting worse not better. Is it really a conspiracy? A 'game' of them v the plebs? By the way, I've been out, had a coffee and got chatting to a mother & daughter. The mother is on 200mg T4 and getting worse. She obviously didn't know about this forum (she does now!). That is the 5th woman I have literally just got chatting to locally who is Fing and blinding about doctors. If all these (mainly) women were correctly diagnosed & treated, they would not be complaining and moaning to a stranger. It's at epidemic level now.
Oh you undoubtedly get spiteful behaviour from medical staff - who hasn't had a snippy receptionist or nurse deliberately keep you waiting just because they didn't like the cut of your jib? We've all been there. You'd like to think doctors would rise above it, but they're human like everyone else. We've also all experienced saying something that a doctor has taken offense at, whether it's been because you've questioned their decision, or you've corrected them on a point of research (I've done that too often!) or some such so then they block you from getting some treatment or test you really want/need. It's all about control, of course, and, again, it's human, sadly. And you are absolutely right about negligence needing to be a criminal offense - it should be and it is - it's just how to make more doctors accountable, and accountable for more subtle negligence that is the real difficulty.
Because you disagree with the OP does not mean she has to stop voicing her opinion. And if you want to start 'threatening' her with trying to get the admin to remove her post then you should consider the fact that your statement "I think a lot of it is fiction created by you for some other purpose" implies, none too subtly, that you think she is lying. That is a far more incendiary and inappropriate statement than the possibility that doctors should be prosecuted for criminal neglect.
Thank you, Chancery, for speaking sense (as you always do).
Hello there, Hillwoman, lovely to speak to you again! Thanks for chipping in in the name of free speech. Even if I violently disagree with someone's opinion I respect their right to air it, and I love a good debate. Debate is what keeps science and medicine moving forward - and we ALL need that!
Thank you Chancery
You're welcome, Marigold, and having read your comment above concerning your history with your GP, can I just say your anger is righteous. X
I can certainly support your obvious desire for much more robust ethical oversight of everyday medical practice but, as Chancery has pointed out, the police are in no position to do this, and nor should they. The only time they should get involved - as they do - is in a case where a criminal offence has been committed by a health practitioner.
That said, I'm quite disturbed by the tone and content of some of the comments criticising your post - a post I consider to be valid on an open-minded, discursive and supportive forum like this one. Often when there is very serious criticism of the NHS, on news websites or on health discussion boards, otherwise reasonable and intelligent people become reactionary and intolerant, almost as if one had threatened to withdraw their own medical care. While I don't agree with all aspects of your proposal, I do undertand where it comes from, and you are perfectly entitled to put up such a post for discussion.
Yes I dont think realsiticallythe investment is likely. The police were very happy to try and investiagate when the poor man bleed to death and did get involved bless them but knew they were powerless becuase they had no offence to charge the two doctors with.I think they tried false imprisonment or whther they were just joking about that I dont know. It would mean a whole new criminal offense being created with the resources needed would be vast as the problems are so huge and it would bevery difficault to dishtinguish delberate.
Somewhat tongue in cheek here ... it would be wonderful to set up our own 'policing' of medical negligence, and do a citizens arrest on the offending doctor.
What a lovely idea.
Ladies please! I've not read every comment (life's too short) but get the gist. I've been negative about the NHS myself on here but actually feel sorry for many GPs. It's the system that's wrong - which other organisation relies on miracles? I've proposed on here changes which essentially provides support to the NHS to minimise the problems although 1 person in particular misunderstoon and disagreed because the NHS is free. No space here to repeat.
Thanks Userotc. I agree about he system being wrong and although I symthathise with GPs and understand they are very controlled they make me cross because they are leaving on mass and not being vocal about why. They need to stand up for themselves a bit more.I would however be interested in your ideas to support NHS. I am not very good at finding past posts not being the most technical of people. I will have a go at looking though.
Deliberate Medical Neglect IS already a criminal offence (I believe it comes under common law - assault/ causing harm/ allowing harm to be caused to a person).
Proving and policing such a crime is fraught with difficulties, as to do so you have to agree that the medical ethical code (Hippocratic Oath) has been broken in some way in addition to causing unnecessary suffering. The examples you have provided are certainly criminal, the question arises, however, if you knew this was happening, why didn't you report it?
I did.to the police re the man bleeding to death on one occasion.When we finally got the mans leg xrayed the doctor was reported by my lovely GP at the time. The abuse I suffered was reported to the police as my mother was concerned there was an attempted murder. Because of my history which I don't want togo into here the police were always keen for me to contact but nothing ever seemed to come of it.
brumatmed Could I report a GP for telling me that I am in robust health when in fact I discover years later via medical record copies, that my TSH was 17? That caused harm, assault on my body and my life
Hi Marigold,
I have to point out here that I am not a lawyer. The previous statement was an assumption based on my experience of being a victim of assault - Simplistically, if you hurt someone, you should be accountable. If you have a position of trust (medical, educational or law enforcement) the accountability should be more severe as a possible abuse of (perceived) trust
I dont then think medical negligence can be classed as a legal offence currentlyunder assult comon law as in effect the broken leg or the internal bleeding are causing the damage not the doctor. Asssult you have to do something to hurt someone with medical neglect you just do nothing when you know you should. I was very lucky to be able to get police involved at all I think.
Hi Mandy (Mandyjane?),
I think I am going to have to pull out of this debate because it is getting far too convoluted. Nothing personal to anyone but I feel that I am being held accountable for having an opinion. I appreciate that there is good and bad in every profession but it is hearsay until I experience it as to the best or only action I should or will take. You have made a very valid point Mandy - what causes the damage, the injury or the doctor? What causes more damage, the action of the injury or the inaction of the doctor?
This is what returns me to my original point of 'who and how polices the doctors'?
Might get more than you bargained for - like being "forced" to have unwanted vaccinations or chemotherapy or RAI. And doctors always have an argument that doing whatever they do or don't do is best for the patient. Who would police it? Big Pharma? No thanks! But a bit more than a slapped wrist for not following guidelines (but only after a PATIENT complaint) would be good.
I agree about neglect. If I didn't do my job properly I would be out on my ear - and rightly so - but doctors seem to be able to get away with anything and should be accountable.
At the other end of the spectrum, I think a doctor who wants to try non-standard treatment, e.g. LDN or medicinal cannabis, should be able to do so without fear or repercussions.
Yes I agree and the onous should be on the patients.If paitents are happy to be prescribed cannabis and there are no complaints whats the problems, t is our lives and bodys but if we are unhappy it should be looked into properly.
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