Very interesting article

[Wantie]

thetimes.co.uk/article/the-...

I found this article. Everything starts to make sense as doctors learn to think for themselves. Sad that once again it’s big Pharma in the driving seat though.

[crimple]

He was on BBC news this morning and I have ordered the book, out next week. Thank goodness for folk who think outside the box and put their head above the parapet. I have Hashi's and it certainly affected my brain! Things improving with a little bit of T3 which I have already been told I cannot have even if I see NHS endo!! The world would be a much better place if patients were "treated" and not just given the latest fad pills from big Pharma.

[Wantie in reply to crimple]

I take a combo of T3 and T4 as well as LDN to try and get down my raging antibodies, which I understand is a marker of the inflammation that comes with Hashis. Like most of us on here, I don’t have a supportive GP or Endo, so decisions I make are influenced heavily by reading articles and filtering for the ones that generally support the thesis: thyroid condition - hormone imbalance- affects endocrine system- causes gut problems-reduced nutritional status-interferes with brain function-and when there’s an immune system complication have to add in all the additional problems of autoimmunity. So this is the first time I’ve seen a sensible article making a plausible link to depression. Hopefully he’ll get more coverage. Have you seen this ? Eminent people saying most Drs and health experts are wrong about food, depression and “treatment” of poor health.....

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[marsaday]

16 yrs for me on an anti depressant a day.

I was ill in all that time with all the same symptoms. I possibly had a slightly better mood thanks to the AD. I was just very tired all the time but I lived a normal life it would seem to everyone. I am sure there are many out there living like this today.

8 yrs ago I trialled t4 myself and became so much better. I stopped the AD in about a week. No symptoms of withdrawal.

Never looked back. All I needed was some thyroid meds.

My tsh aged 21 was 2.4 and ft4 was 14 when I became ill

Aged 37 it was 3.7 and ft4 was 12.

Both sets of results say I am totally fine. The more people that get their stories out there will help push change but it is a slow process until a tipping point is reached.

[shaws Administrator in reply to marsaday]

Once upon a time, before blood tests were introduced, we were all diagnosed according to our clinical symptoms and given NDT - even on a trial basis.

Modern-day doctors are unaware of any clinical symptoms.

[Wantie in reply to shaws]

Yes indeed, I also thought his point about bio markers was interesting. A double edged sword, because TSH as a bio marker is not necessarily very effective and yet the idea of drs prescribing antidepressants without checking serotonin levels at all, is clearly awful medical practice.

[shaws Administrator in reply to Wantie]

If we are hypo, doctors seem to not know any clinical symptoms but instead of getting an increase in levo dose or the addition of some T3, will be given, anti-d's, pain relief, or anything else but optimum thyroid hormones which make us feel well.

TSH, is from the pituitary gland. It may not rise high enough to be diagnosed despite crippling symptoms.

[Canta in reply to shaws]

When I was a girl, in the 50s and 60s, doctors would actually touch their patients. Eyes were looked at, pulses felt, skintone noted, lungs and heart listened to, etc. Nowadays doctors barely listen to symptoms, let alone look out for them. After your first two sentences they are on their computers and you are out of the door, probably with a prescription and maybe a blood test form. The art of medicine seems to have been lost while the science is often questionable.

[Wantie in reply to Canta]

Interesting point. Here in France Docs always take blood pressure, pulse, blood oxygen and body temperature, whatever you are in for. If you work you are sent for a full medical every couple of years. Only when I was a young girl back in the 60’s do I remember a medical examination when you undressed to bra and pants and the doc did a full examination. But they do it properly looking you over, taking measurements (as above), asking loads of personal but health related questions about menstruation, bowel movements etc. And then prodding you all over. It’s how my Hashimotos was discovered. I think I would have gone years with the condition had I been in the UK. Of course the difference here is you pay 22 euros to see a doctor.

[shaws Administrator in reply to Canta]

Yes, you are right. Two I saw touched my hands and checked pulse.

[Wantie]

I think you’re absolutely right, this obsession with what is a normal range is committing millions to ill health, a life on antidepressants, infertility and lifelong digestive issues. Good for you it’s a courageous thing to take the road of self medication, and can be very lonely taking a stand against the medical elite.

[shaws Administrator in reply to Wantie]

I know more than my GP. That's for sure.