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Sorry to mention a downer, Uk This morning television now saying just now, NOT to take out gluten unless you are celiac? Bad for health?

So much hype and so much info you really don't know what to think at times ?

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Jeppy,

How is gluten-free bad for health? If it was bad for health it would be bad for coeliac patients too.

Plenty of people have non-coeliac sensitivity to gluten and feel very much better for being on a gluten-free diet and many Hashimoto's patients find a gluten-free diet reduces the Hashi flares they experience, improves symptoms and, in time, may also reduce antibodies.

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Royheravi in reply to Clutter

maybe see how you go. They said they felt worse after a long time on the gluten free products, could be something to do with the substitute. Maybe limit the amount of actual gluten you have. However if you feel fine and better on it, that's all that matters! It's hard cus I read that if you suffer with thyroid problems to cut gluten from your diet, so it's difficult !

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Angel_of_the_North in reply to Royheravi

Ah! Eating gluten-free products is not the same as being gluten-free. Those fake foods are full of sugary junk, soya and so on - as well as tasting like boiled cardboard.

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Bunnyjones in reply to Clutter

I am looking into this. I am only 4 days in but I have trying not to have processed foods as well after watch "That sugar film"

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SeasideSusieRemembering

This Morning isn't saying it, Dr Chris mentioned a recent article in The Independent

independent.co.uk/news/heal...

He didn't go into very much detail but the article says the study concluded

"The promotion of gluten-free diets for the purpose of coronary heart disease prevention among asymptomatic people without celiac disease should not be recommended.”

So it looks like they were concentrating purely on the aspect of heart disease.

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Melsa in reply to SeasideSusie

I think this makes sense doesn't it? If you have heart disease and you cut out gluten a lot of people go on so-called Paleo diets which are high in fat and often not very good for people with heart disease. I have cut out gluten for now, but I am not buying gf products apart from the Doves gf flour and the occassional Schar bread roll. Whole foods and all in balance is my approach.

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LynneG in reply to Melsa

I agree about the gluten free commercial foods, that's just going to be like anyone else gluten/ or no gluten eating processed food. However re the fat and heart disease - take a look at British practising GP (Cardiology specialism) Dr Malcolm Kendrick's blog what really causes heart disease. He has also written a couple of books. Well worth reading one about cholesterol and one called Doctoring Data. If you read you will not believe much that is pushed by the NHS again and then always question. Unbelievable info. He is no mere GP. Was the advisor on the European Board of Cardiology and NICE

Also Irish Ivor Cummins you tube video - actually shows effects of diet on blood markers actually on the video. Makes interesting watching. youtube.com/watch?v=UZoQiDa...

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Simba1992 in reply to Melsa

Something interesting on the topic!myscienceacademy.org/2012/0...

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Simba1992 in reply to Simba1992

Now it's riight, I hope.

myscienceacademy.org/2012/0...

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Cup-cake7

I'm going with you naturally !

Sorry shouldn't have mentioned it, Doc Chris said it's bad for your body taking out grains!! Unless celiac, From Some big study somewhere,

I feel better for GF I would say already and have managed to get some weight off

...sorry just ignore me today, in a really bad place

..... am procrastinating and so doom and gloom I actually ' hate ' myself as can't snap myself out of it

Is there a tendency for this kind of mood with this dis- ease does anyone think. , may be personality types? High expectations of yourself etc?

(I'm also feeling let down that the number of times I've been to GPS and came out thinking i have to pull myself together or take the Anti depressant they pushed at me )

I don t feel this all the time

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greygoose in reply to Cup-cake7

I think there's definitely a tendency for that kind of mood with this disease. But, even non-hypo people have off days. I think it's all part of being human - or maybe just being alive, because I notice my dog has off days, too. Don't beat yourself up about it. :)

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Etje1979 in reply to Cup-cake7

Don't take the anti depressants is my advice. Push for proper blood works and get your thyroid under control. I was in that place you are for years.

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Gingergirl1948 in reply to Cup-cake7

Fill your days with little pleasurable experiences...no matter how small. 🥕🥑😍

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Bunnyjones in reply to Cup-cake7

Where did the funding for the research come from though?

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Bunnyjones in reply to Cup-cake7

Go dance in the rain then enjoy a hot shower that lifts my mood.

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LynneG in reply to Cup-cake7

Jeppy - Read British GP Dr Malcolm Kendrick's book 'Doctoring Data' you will be astounded by what you read and will justify your lack of confidence in GP's and the medical system. Heard of QOF payments - If you don't let your GP prescribe you antidepressants - well, you're just losing your GP practice considerable amount of money! maybe your GP too.

Ha! listen to this, I went to see the nurse at GP practice for heart risk evaluation (because with autoimmune at high risk)

A couple of questions alcohol/smoking

Mum dad or siblings had heart disease/attack ?

reply: Dad in heart attack, 2000.

was he over 60?

reply: 70

Oh that doesnt count.

Doesn't count! I said so you are not bothered then once someone is over 60!

My BP was taken 147 over something - I only heard the 147. So asked if would take again. I just breathed out more than in (can't run away from a lion if doing that) while taking. so 5 secs after my first bp reading it was perfect at 120/80.

I said: That just shows you!

Nurse looked very surprised and said oh, yes

Next came height

Now the last time had height measured was at bone density scan some yrs ago.

Following they sent me a prescription for ADCAL calcium and vit D which I threw in the bin. They feared I was starting with osteopenia because I had shrunk by a cm.

What! I thought, I bet you can just breathe in and that would raise your height it's hardly a technical measurement.

So I breathed in while being measured.

The nurse said - oh well you are taller than last time, so that's ok.

I told her about how since January I now have palpitations when go upstairs to the toilet and vision breaking up while having a wee. having to breathe hard when walking up the stairs or slight hills when walking the dog. Palpitations when lie down in bed. Not at all interested

I laughed all the way home.

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Cup-cake7

Thanks susie I hadn't seen your reply!

🙂yes it tapped into my worst fear unfortunately , my heart

Because I have some change with breath I've scared myself, I'm aware it could be the low b12 but it may not, doc said it's anxiety but sending me for chest x rAy to cover that

I am thinking I've had this condition so many years to be frank, (pre eclampsia in 1983 psiriosis on and off since after the pre eclampsia, all baby waters went back into body - now linked it to thyroid )

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greygoose in reply to Cup-cake7

If you want people to see your replies, you have to click on the green reply button. Otherwise, they won't know! :)

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Cup-cake7

Thanks a lot for reply Roy

Yes as anything, it's to get balance in it, so much going on at moment as have radically changed diet, no gluten dairy caffeine, and started levo, ( have lost the food emotional crutches which I had never paid attention to previously !! i.e. Whole grain toasts. Choc etc LOL.

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Cup-cake7

Change of heart from this moment on !

as realise that what I have been doing mentally today and some other days, goes hand in hand with what hashi does. 😊 Attacking self!!! Quite a realisation

Sorry for ramble and confusion x. ( mind is powerful )

in reply to Cup-cake7

Think we've all been there on occasion, especially in the earlier days and pre-DX 😊

Re your earlier comment I certainly remember feeling angry and hateful for no real reason and frequently tearful. Not sure exactly what's helped - going GF, levo, vits, perhaps all and understanding the 'why' that might have been behind it all. But I don't get those emotions very often now.

Be kind to you 🤗🤗

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Raventhorpe in reply to Cup-cake7

Hi jeppy don' be so down on yourself, we all have our bad days where we feel like crap and have low mood/ depression and our brain's don't work like we'd like them to i hope tomorrow will be a better day for you, sending you hugs from a fellow sufferer.

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Cup-cake7

Thanks so much solstice for support, yes it's anger I'm battling with as never did anger! And been tearful too, just a case of keeping going until it works out of you I guess, and probably talking (I live on my own )

It's the procrastinating that is debilitating most if all as compounds it,

Can see also had a perfection thing going on

O well, it is as it is xx

in reply to Cup-cake7

You will get there, it may take a while and a case of 2 forward 1 back, but it gets better. Not there yet myself but I feel better than I did, and you will too 😊🙆🙏🤗🤗

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Cup-cake7

Il try thanks Raven you are right of course

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Cup-cake7

Frustration! There is so much I should/ could be doing

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zerendipity

Now, this is coming from my personal experience... I went GF 5-6 years ago. I am still alive and have actually been doing a lot better in many aspects 😃Whatever the reason for preaching how GF diet is bad for you if you're not coeliac, I could not care less since I have seen and felt the difference.

Since the change I have spent a lot of time reading and reseaching the GF diet and whole grain propaganda. I suppose the main reason why GF is dubbed "dangerous" is because there are no "healthy whole grains". I am sorry if I come off sceptical but if these healthy whole grains really are so good for us then how come there are so many sick people ? Start with digestive issues, diabetes, heart disease, blood pressure disorders, osteoporosis, tooth decay and so on...

I could probably write a really long post but the thing is, that the ones who want to make a change will do it and will learn about it too.

What puzzles me is the ingredients in most GF products - wheat starch, corn starch and a whole lot of other c$@p. How can that be good for you? Perhaps it's the way we look at food. I remember back when I started making changes and discussed the issues with my friends and family, they were all wondering about what am I going to eat. Then it dawned on me how bread has a very big role in our diets. Of course it differs from country to country and now that I live in Denmark, I see how hard it is for people to make that change.

Here's just a few improvements I noticed after being GF - stomach pains were gone, digestive issues were gone, joint pain was gone and I have not needed any dental work for 5 years.

Whole grains contain a lot of phytic acid which binds essential minerals in our GI track. As a result people who eat a lot of grains are prone to osteoporosis and tooth decay.

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Gingergirl1948 in reply to zerendipity

Thankyou. I am away organising a funeral and not enjoying my usual "diet" ...eaten grains and bread and feel dreadful. I live much better without them

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NatChap

There are plenty of other 'grains' that can be eaten such as rice and corn. Some of the 'gluten free' products are full of rubbish but you can eat a gluten free diet without eating those products as there are so many naturally gf foods! I can go to my local Indian restaurant for example and eat most things off the menu! How can that be bad??

Since going gf my antibodies have come down and I hardly ever suffer any IBS symptoms.

I've just discovered gf beer too so I'm I happy girl now ;-)

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Gingergirl1948 in reply to NatChap

Rice and corn cause havoc to my intestines ....I add potatoes instead if I am hungry

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Cup-cake7

Thanking you all, really helpful

Yes I too am feeling better without bread, the odd gf slice, and I'm so pleased for your improvements

I thought after, that of course I need to be gf as I've got some, not a lot, of leaky gut, I know this and taking Nutri sustain powder, I was cutting out dairy but may have a bit of Gouda or milk after all

Yes rice is fab grain!

Getting bead round it, had to laugh at goose! My poor cat too, 😺 He is well soaking it up as they do! He even sits on my head in bed sometimes bless x

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Cup-cake7

'Head' not bead. Sorry, I pad!

Why would not eating gluten-containing foods be bad for your health? Some people just don't like cereal, pasts and bread (and we are always told that cakes and biscuits are bad for us). There are plenty of other ways of getting fibre - veggies for one.

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Cup-cake7

Yes, true

the link is above that was outlined on t v. Today

I will personally have to look into what gluten actually is then as I have trusted the few gf products I have bought, e.g. Rice in packets, oat cakes and a choc brownie lol

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humanbean

I don't have coeliac disease. But I benefited a lot when I went GF as an experiment. It turned out that I probably have something called gluten ataxia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataxi...

And yes - I am self-diagnosed with gluten ataxia, and I don't intend to seek an official diagnosis.

I wouldn't go back on gluten now if I was paid to. Giving it up has made a huge difference to my life. My balance has improved a lot, although it is still not great in the dark. My problems with an insanely bad temper and mood issues generally have 98% vanished and my marriage has benefited immensely as a result. And although gut improvements were generally minor, it has improved my iron absorption and I don't have to supplement all the time any more, I can supplement maybe 50% of the time instead.

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Gingergirl1948 in reply to humanbean

Thankyou. I will be more diligent ....I know it's right to omit gluten from my life ( gut) 🥕😍

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LittleTom

I think the press were trying to say (poor journalism and trying to cause concern IMHO,) it was bad for heart health and kept mentioning Gwyneth Paltrow etc in the articles I read.

What they failed to explain was that a lot of people who go GF (Like Gwyneth!) go grain free too and this can mean maybe not getting enough whole grain in the diet. There are lots of whole grain options for anyone wanting to be GF however the shop bought stuff is less likely to contain them, instead they put in other cheaper ingredients. I try to look for gluten-free wholegrains in the ingredients which include:

brown rice.

corn (even popcorn)

amaranth.

buckwheat.

gluten free oats*

millet.

quinoa.

sorghum.

I ve been GF 3 years and it annoys me when it is belittled as a fad diet you are doing by the press or anyone ignorant, in the absence of celiac disease. Its our choice if it makes us feel better. There are plenty of people eating gluten by the ton and not getting much wholegrain as they east white bread/rices etc and loads of other yak ingredients.

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Angel_of_the_North in reply to LittleTom

Still don't understand why not getting whole grains is such a bad thing. We have an epidemoc of type 2 diabetes and heart problems - caused by sugar (and grains are converted to sugar when you eat them). It's sugar that raises your triglycerides. I do eat some of the things you mention, but have always been "allergic" to oats, but can't see why they are supposed to be so important.

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Cup-cake7 in reply to Angel_of_the_North

I didn't know that about rice. What is meant I wonder by complex carbs, they are spoke about as the better ones to eat. Rice is a complex carb

As far as I know oats help to reduce cholesterol, haha now I'm not sure reducing colestral is the thing to do 😊

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Angel_of_the_North in reply to Cup-cake7

A turnip is a complex carb, too. It just means that the sugars in them are in long chains (and they have some fibre as well).

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Cup-cake7 in reply to Angel_of_the_North

Are they better when complex - have to be

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Cup-cake7

Thats a really balanced overview, great, yes so true all of that , I'm healing a leaky gut which is a lot better so not in a hurry to go backwards!!

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Cup-cake7

Yes the keniesiologist tested good products on me and I wasn't absorbing, - he said stop wasting your money and heal gut! I've taken sustain powder froM nutri and weight has really reduced around middle

I'd guess loads of middle aged especially have leaky gut, he thought anyway, this is main reason why weight piles on around middle in middle years, I'm not going back in hurry. The odd slip up I've had, I'm lucky I do t get discomfort 🤞

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zerendipity

I love this thread! 😊

Most recent scaremongering article here was how GF is dangerous because rice products contain harmful chemicals (fertilisers, arsenic etc.). Surely we only eat rice for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day.

What I've learned so far is question everything. Do your research.

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Cup-cake7

Haha😊I wish I hadn't started it 😱

Yes but I'm unsure what to believe, how do know good google, I look if repeatable, how do you know?

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to Cup-cake7

I am glad you did start it! It is so very important to have a discussion, think about it, find out what others think,....

There are so very many issues. For example, going gluten-free removes wheat AND the additives it has to have from your diet. Going gluten-free often increases rise intake, and rice tends to have rather more arsenic than is good for us. It is not a trivial issue and it is very easy to get misled or go atray one way or another.

One thing you could do, though, is click on the GREEN Reply button after each response. Not the BLACK Reply button at the end of the thread. Using the green button makes the response thread or nest. It also sends an alert to the person you are responding to.

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NatChap

There are alternatives to rice, I only have it once a week.. twice occasionally. I eat potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn cous cous, buckwheat pasta, corn tortillas/tacos, polenta etc... Once you get your head around it it's not a problem really x

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Cup-cake7

Mmmmm. I haven't even missed potatoes (stopped nightshade family ) yes you are so Right, is there a food guide on here I wonder? 😉🥝🥜🌽🥑🍌🍵🍷🍫

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Clairewalker751 in reply to Cup-cake7

Read autoimmune solution by Amy Myers it all makes sense to me to be gf but not by eating more processed rubbish, tbh I don't really trust the food industry or the pharmaceutical industry, I've gone grain free for now but will bring small of grains back in such as rice quinoa occasionally but I can honestly say I don't miss grain at all and I now eat more veg than you can shake a stick at I'm loosing weight skin hair and nails look healthier I don't crave processed carbs like I used to, bloating gas all but gone. I think do your research and use common sense

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Etje1979

I'm on a low gluten diet. I have hashimoto and I do feel so much better. The main thing that's gone is the pain in my muscles and joints. So I dont really care what they say. I'll stick to it. I also stopped refined sugars and any processed foods.

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OldC

Jeppy,

One of the things emphasised by Roderick Lane in my conversations with him is that even if you do go gluten-free there is no guarantee that commercially prepared gluten-free products will contribute to having a stable blood sugar level. So in that regard the presenter has a point.

Roderick clearly states that having a stable blood insulin and blood sugar level is one of the factors that enables someone suffering with a thyroid condition (that is not working well) to create stability. A stable blood sugar level affects both your insulin, cortisol and numerous other hormonal interactions. He also points out early man's process of preparing grains was by fermentation and cooking leaving on the outer skin of the grain which greatly contributed to the delivery of vitamins and minerals. What we do is smash the grain to death and just liberate the sticky sugars.

So like all of these things if you're going gluten-free it's realising just like with the drug companies using fluoride as a biochemical stabilising agent, you have to read the label.

I am actually following his ketogenic diet which is totally grain free, and surprise surprise I haven't died because I'm not eating grains. I have lost weight, lost pain and able to walk without a walking stick (I like the stick it's a wonderful affectation). I no longer have brain fog, apparently that's due to the iodine. And life has improved greatly. No I'm not a hundred percent, but I'm 1000% better than I was when I first saw him.

And surprise surprise, I am managing to function without pop tarts which is my favourite food. What amazes me about sugar and gluten/wheat consumption is that it tastes so nice and that sometimes I find myself thinking of the joy of eating one am I prepared to put up with additional pain? I must confess I did try it and I discovered the answer was a definite no!

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LOUPS

I think you should do whatever suits you. I have hashimotos and have started taking levothyrox and I am slowly feeling better after flip flopping between hyper and hypo. I asked the endocrinologist yesterday if there were changes to my diet that would be helpful or any supplements i should take and she said no just have a healthy diet - low in sugar and fat. I appreciate that gluten free diets diets helps some people but I don't think you should just cut gluten out as par of the course. Is tricky isn't it with so many different views and options.

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OldC

Loups,

I think Roderick's fundamental point here is that the diet you eat must provide you with a very stable blood sugar level, no ups no downs. The more blood sugar stability you have within the context of thyroid disease the easier it is in general for the rest of the endocrine system to function correctly. One of the things I have noted is the volume of people here who have been helped by changing their diet in one manner or other. We complain about endocrinologists, some of whom it is very clear are not up with current research. To accept their opinions on diets, which they are not trained to deliver they are endocrinologists and solely concerned with the dispensing of hormones, to accept their pronunciation on a diet of say 'low sugar low-fat' from the point of view of many of us I think is almost ridiculous.

Given the amount of scientific research coming out about the value of high-fat diets, the need of the body to use fats in the anti-inflammatory process the recommendation of low-fat would seem to be counterintuitive.

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Rennixon in reply to OldC

I've been reading this thread with interest. I went GF last year & immediately felt some benefit. I'm not good with food ( as in what it does to our bodies ) & so I'm kinda struggling at the moment with what to eat! I've not lost any weight in fact I've put weight on! So my question is how can I regulate sugar in my diet. My mother is dietetic & I think I'll end up the same way. Totally lost with how & what I should do. Can you recommend a good guide/read on the subject?

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OldC in reply to Rennixon

Check Amazon, Roderick has a couple of books out the one I follow is The Science of Ageing Backwards: ReGeneration-X. Its written with a colleague Elizabeth Bright who ran Vegan Restaurants in USA. I got the joke in the title most people miss it. ;-)

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Cup-cake7 in reply to Rennixon

Hi. Yes I know there are so many thoughts and views, and it's downing when you actually put weight on, I want to badly loose 2 stone for daughters wedding in sept have dropped 4 l bs the last fortnight so thrilled , for me, I've cut out sugar end of, this meaning to me, I buy the lowest sugar or nil sugar in everything, I haven't missed it and I don't spike about now with sugar rushes, (I use the replacement sugar ocassionally the one in blue packet made from tree bark not a spartan and recommended for diabetics, expensive but lasts donkeys). I don't even miss my honey on porridge, I may have the odd gluten free cake if feeling that way, but don't buy them I my shopping, have oat cake whatever and I've discovered a bit of peanut butter nice on it if feeling I need something 'nice' I only eat two fruits a day as the natural sugar is high, whatever works for you , but if I have lost then it's doable as the thyroid thing put on 3 stone in 2010 (didn't know what it was )

Lots of luck

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Rennixon in reply to Cup-cake7

Cup-cake7 thanks for the reply & encouragement. I hope your weight loss continues, you've got a great incentive in your daughters wedding & I wish you & the happy couple luck, health & happiness.

Myself I think I need to do a bit more reading, although my mums diabetic she's not a great support & wont talk about it. I don't have a sweet tooth, haven't used sugar on anything for years! Never have anything on porridge etc. I see the problem with fruit, so try not to eat much, but basically need to find out what I do eat & what sugar it contains. I'll get there but it may be a slow process.

Thanks & good luck again xx

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Cup-cake7 in reply to Rennixon

And you! Yes we are all unique so I guess it isn't finding what works for you

Ecause of low metabolism too makes it more sensitive for sure as also need to eat enough to trick it into burning up 😱😊

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Cup-cake7 in reply to Cup-cake7

Is. Not isn't!!

I've been on a health thing for the local leisure centres and they offer 12 weeks of free classes too! They work by having certain portion sizes, they measureyour bmi etc and give you calorie intake for your size

They were the ones that stressed about sugar being the main culprit and eat lots of veggie as these are speed foods, but only two fruits

To use coconut oil or rape seed, thins like this

I think it's a national thing Fromm the Leisure centres

I may put a post up to tell folk

You sound a healthy eater!! X

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inuli

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism 3 years ago. The best advice I have picked up is to eat naturally as far as you can.

For me this has meant ditching sugar and anything with sugar or high fructose corn syrup in it. Ditch all artificial sweeteners.

Similarly I no longer eat gluten.

However I do not eat gluten free products as the bread and pasta is packed with chemicals and sugar.

The lesson here is to eat far fewer carbohydrates.

Read Phil Mafetone and Chris MacDougall on this.

I eat brown rice, whole organic oats and potatoes, but in moderation.

Replace wheat with lots of salads and boiled up squashes, roots and greens.

The medical establishment is worried that going gluten free means you consume less fibre, vitamins and minerals which can be had from bread.

However if you eat a wide variety of foods - rice, roots, fish, eggs, cheese, salads and vegetables you should be picking up all you need.

Above all do not stress about this.

Practice prayer/mediation and mindfulness.

You will get over this.

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LOUPS in reply to inuli

Inuli i agree. I try and eat healthily and have little processed food. I try to be kind to my body and not overload it, but pretty much eat everything in moderation. OldC i think the point about saturated fats is well made - yes there is a general shift towards saturated fats being ok now. So really the experts don't really know- one minute saturated fats are bad and the next they are ok....I find it difficult to keep up so try not to stress about it to much- and go back to my mantra of everything in moderation - I'm not trying to sell that to anyone else- it just seems to work ok for me.

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inuli in reply to LOUPS

Smart thinking on fat. Again moderation is the the thing. I eat red meat, butter, cheese, eggs but avoid processed stuff - salami, pate and sausage - except perhaps at christmas

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Shuttlegirl

I think part of the problem is that people who try to go GF then try to continue eating in the same 'style', using 'like for like' alternatives, such as GF cakes and bread, because they don't realise that they don't need products like that in their diet. You get carbohydrates (plus much much more) from vegetables and fruit - you need to eat more of those, to replace the processed carbs. I like to think of it as replacing processed food (which is predominantly gluten and sugar, along with a whole load of other crap) with unprocessed foods, rather than specifically going GF. As long as I eat enough and am not hungry, I don't miss gluten-based products (or their crap-filled replacements!) at all, but you do need to have an 'aha!' moment in order to make the transition.

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Shuttlegirl

And (being a bit of a conspiracy theorist!) how much influence over this research is held by the food processing companies/manufacturers who stand to make huge losses if consumers move away from their highly processed, gluten-based products? It is difficult to fund the necessary scientific research into the benefits of simply eating healthily, because no big drugs company or food company stands to benefit from such findings. Without enough scientific proof, the conventional medical practitioners won't change their advice. If there was a pill to do all this instead, and therefore profit for a drugs company, then I'm sure there would be no difficulty find funding for research!

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zerendipity in reply to Shuttlegirl

Ah, I am not alone! I too think about what's behind such articles, whos agenda is it and who benefits from it.

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cwill

Re the tearful days and the anxiety that comes with health issues and making fundamental changes I have a system. Over breakfast I gauge what sort of a day it is. If a crying day I put on suitable music and cry whilst resting, considering all the things that have got me there. If bad I write it all down. Sometimes this takes all day! And then I get up and go about my day. If the paperwork builds up or was particularly toxic I have a ceremonial burning to rid myself of it. It at least feels as if I am doing something and I think it has added balance and stability.

Re gluten free: best thing I ever did. Don't go out much or travel yet so haven't met much resistance other than in family and friends. I think that those that too easily dismiss the efforts we take over our health really have no imagination or are falling into abusive, bullying behaviour. If we had diabetes or a diagnosis with much public support like cancer, they wouldn't dare criticise our regimes, at least not to our faces. The last flight I took was a gluten free one in the days when food was still provided. The meal consisted of a pack of tiny melon strips, small pack of raisins, pack of bovril and a tiny pack of twiglets. They let the work experience person loose on my choices I think.

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LynneG

Total Rubbish - Morning TV. Typical journalists not doing their research or Govt using media with an agenda.

Didn't see it but perhaps they were inferring that eating gluten free products is not healthy. The commercial gluten free products are not necessarily good for health as will still contain ingredients that may not support health just like other processed foods. But you don't have to eat commercial gluten free foods to eat gluten free.

I read labels on comercial chutneys etc to ensure but most natural foods don't have flour in them. Steak, jacket potato and salad in a restaurant is not going to contain gluten. And for at home I buy almond flour, chestnut flour and coconut flour for when I want to make bread, pancakes, fruit crumble or baji's / nanbread. No commercial processed gluten free foods are necessary.

A gastroenterologist I saw in Sheffield. Professor David Sanders (NHS - hospital consultant) big on research. He, in 2012 when I saw him posted to me a copy of his published papers on NCGS (Non Coeliac Gluten Sensiivity) and Intestinal Permeability. He has since written a book. I think he will know more than Morning TV journalists - I always suspect: Agenda!

If anyone is not sure what to think about Non Coeliac Gluten Sensitivity - google Dr Tom O'Bryan you tube videos. Or visit his website ' the dr .com' tons of info/ bit scientific some of it. But has informative videos. click on the green bar - about gluten related disorders and videos can be selected.

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Bluecat101

It does seem 'fashionable' to imply gluten can cause so many problems. Friend went vastly expensive SW1 clinic (£350) for serious condition and he was advised mainly to avoid gluten.

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Cup-cake7 in reply to Bluecat101

Yes blue coat and the same with leaky gut but suppose you. can only gague it on how you feel

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Mintychristine

I believe that jeppy I tried so hard ages ago did the bread all sorts made not a fig of difference I still prefer lactose-free milk and don't eat much white bread and hardly any red meat lots of hype couldn't agree more but for genuine celiac fair enough.

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LynneG

Neurologist Dr Perlmutter's take on the study quoted by Morning TV. drperlmutter.com/could-goin...

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Cup-cake7

Yes Follow gut instinct literally 😊 I'm gf as feel and told, I have some leakyngut and not intolerant but sensitive to wheat, it's so much better already and reduced weight from middle!! Re sugar I just avoid it, I don't miss the spikes I had before, I realise I'm quite sensitive to everything, levo is ONlY 12 and I've been a mess for two days

Quite like the sugar replacement in the blue packet! Made from tree bark, and begins with an x! Lol I expect there will be something about this next ha

....Saw homeopath today and hoping he can up immunity which he says he does with this, certainlyngiving it a go as had good success on and off through life (the children got by with it and no anti biotics which was aim at the time , so hope its stood them in good stead as Genetic ). He made a few grand claims for hypo and hyper but not holding my breath 😊

Your a lovely lot, time for a cuppa! Xxx

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Cup-cake7

Interesting!

Xxxx

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Cup-cake7

Such amazing support BIG thanks

Saw homeopath today and when I came out it I could see the rediculous state I had built myself up to, i hit some sort of wall which involved a few other things, there's always a straw that can break back kind of thing, And . My lovely late mum always said from age of five I had a vivid imagination ha 😱😜

Has anybody actually got their antibodies right right down anyway?

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elwins

I watch my intake of wheat and corn as I have a allergy to it, found out after allergy testing done after finding out I have colitis. To much and I suffer with bloating and stomach cramps. Even tablets with corn syrup in can effect me.

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