Hi, I'm on my 12 weeks and need to make a decision to take COVID vaccine or not. I understand that NHS advises Pfizer and Moderna but not AstraZeneca. If you have good experience with vaccination during pregnancy and more importantly already delivered a healthy child after vaccination, I would very much appreciate your response to this post.
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I had my Pfizer vaccine at around 21 weeks and 25 weeks, I'm now 28 weeks, just had my 28 week midwife appointment today and we listened to babies heartbeat which was perfect and baby has been moving and kicking like a trooper so I'm really happy I went ahead with it.I didn't have any side effects at all, my arm ached, but no worse than my flu or whooping cough vaccine.
Thank you, that is very much reassuring.
I've just had my 28 week growth scan today because I have gestational diabetes and all is looking good still. My consultant and obstetrician are happy with babies growth and my blood sugar levels, so still not showing any detrimental effects of having my second dose of the vaccine at the beginning of this month. It's definitely always a personal choice at the end of the day and weighing up your risks for your own personal circumstances. I'm nearly 40, have a High BMI, gestational diabetes and a toddler that I need to be around for too. So for me the protection the vaccine would give me seemed a better option than risk getting covid without any protection.
Good luck with your decision and please try not to read the misinformation posts about the vaccine. It's very scary information but rarely had any back up or evidence towards it.
Hope you have a lovely healthy pregnancy xxx
I've had mine at 19 weeks, but would have had it even in the first trimester if it was possible for my age group. My arm was sore for a day and that was it. I had a whooping cough vaccine at 17 weeks and also no issues.
My 20 week scan went well. Now I'm 23 weeks, baby is moving a lot and getting stronger every day.
They won’t give you any other vaccine then Pfizer if you’re pregnant, they’re not giving the AstraZeneca vaccine to expectant mothers. I had mine at 32 weeks and I’ve been fine. Good luck
I had Pfizer at 9 and 15 weeks. I’m high risk health care so got them really early- I’m now 33 weeks and we havn’t had any issues all the way through. You have to weight up risks and benifits for yourself - I really didn’t fancy having covid when deep into pregnancy and risking baby issues, there’s also some early research having covid increases risk of premature birth which I wanted to avoid, I really don’t fancy long covid and I wanted to feel safe to work all the way through.
Hi. I had my Pfizer jab at 13 weeks and had no side effects at all. I’m now 18 weeks and all is well. I’m a teacher so exposed to closer contact that I would like all day long. That’s why I decided I didn’t want to wait until November when baby is here. Hope that helps x
I had my first jab at 33 weeks. Am now 39 weeks and all is fine (had a couple of growth scans since for unrelated reasons and baby was measuring perfectly). Only side effect was a sore arm for a day. I was worried about getting it, but spoke to my midwife who said it could be that I pass on some immunity to baby, even if only for the first couple of weeks, so that made my mind up!
Hi, first I advise to read official Pfizer or any Covid 19 vaccine leaflet online as they advise no pregnant women should get this vaccine nor breastfeeding one. And Pfizer in particular says that after the vaccine you should not try to get pregnant for 2 years! Plus they mention risk of transmission from vaccinated people onto pregnant women which we know now caused miscarriage. I personally would not take this vaccine whilst pregnant or breastfeeding knowing that 5month child died day after breastfeeding mum decided to get this vaccine! And the fact that it's still being tested and it's only emergency vaccine not approved by FDA so that should get you thinking. Look after your immune system, have plenty of vitamins to boost your immune system and you'll be just fine. No vaccine needed. Good luck
Where did you get this information from? Stop scaring people off without providing any sources.
Yes of course, like I got some benefit in people not getting this vaccine. Wake up for God sake🤦♀️ all information are official, check uk yellow card reports and official Pfizer leaflet which is few A4 pages long not a small info you get from your gp. Anyway everyone's got a choice I only feel sorry for these babies 😔
Hi Andia1 , I want to follow up on Mcra's question, Please could you share the information you have, online source or paper scans of 4-page guidance you are referring to would help. It is very important not only to me but for thousands of people like me. Thanks
Do you have any links to your official information? I'd be interested to see where you're getting your information from. It's hard to tell from the information you've given where you've got it from and if it's credible.
You use the yellow card system for example, but that just lists symptoms but not causes so they could be things that are unrelated. It actually states before the list of reported side effects.
' A report of a suspected ADR to the Yellow Card scheme does not necessarily mean that it was caused by the vaccine, only that the reporter has a suspicion it may have. Underlying or previously undiagnosed illness unrelated to vaccination can also be factors in such reports. The relative number and nature of reports should therefore not be used to compare the safety of the different vaccines. All reports are kept under continual review in order to identify possible new risks.'
Even reading through the Pzizer yellow card reports, there's really few fatalities and mostly minor side effects, they could all be completely unrelated to the vaccine, you'd need far more information to be using that alone to be making an informed choice.
With regards to the vaccine in pregnancy Pzizer stated in their trials with the vaccine in animal trials there was no adverse effects to the animals before, during our after pregnancy and no issues with offspring.
In the trials of nearly 40,000 pregnant woman, there were no reports of any increase in miscarriage, or issues during pregnancy above what you'd normally expect to see in the general population. Since that study even more woman have had it, with no issues. Even on this page the woman who have had it are all reporting no side effects except maybe a sore arm. It's only people who haven't had it that are saying anything negative about it.
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My response would come from the VAERS site. It's limited in that it does not show causality. While any child death is sad, its not known from this report of it is the cause or if it would have happened anyway. The number of woman who are pregnant and breastfeeding that this hasn't happened to means that you can't just use one death like this to prove causality.
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For me 1 death is enough. Saying this just because it wasn't your child is wrong.
But you don't even know the actual cause of death for this child. It could be something completely unrelated to the vaccine and you're making a decision that could potentially end your life based on information that doesn't give you the full details.
You do you. It's clear that it was the vaccine as the child was ok until the 2nd dose, you must be blind to don't see it or you just don't want to see it.
No it doesn't make it clear that there were no other underlying issues with the child. The medical record of the child is not present nor the pathology report from its death. You have no idea what other issues that child had or how many times it had been to the ER previously. You don't know anything other than what is in the VAERS report, which if you remember the photo I linked from the site tells you it does not give causality, but I've added it here again for you.
One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event. This limitation has caused confusion in the publicly available data from VAERS WONDER, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. There have been instances where people have misinterpreted reports of deaths following vaccination as deaths caused by the vaccines; that is not accurate.
I've also added another photo from the site that clearly says again it is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused the adverse effect, but it is good at detecting unusual or unexpected patterns. You've highlighted one case, so out off the millions that have had the vaccine there doesn't seem to be any patterns of the vaccine causing death through breastfeeding. So this child could have died from any number of other causes and it seems very unlikely that the vaccine was the cause if no other mothers are reporting the same thing?
I think it's you not understanding the purpose of VAERS and interpreting data the so that it fits with your view point. You won't accept that VAERS is not designed to determine the cause of death and you won't see that 1 death after a vaccination could very probably be unrelated if millions of children who are being breastfed after vaccinations are not dying. It doesn't fit with your narrative so you'll choose to ignore what is actually written on the VAERS site.
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You say "one death is enough" (even though it wasn't caused by the vaccine). What about 128k people who died of coronavirus in the UK? Brazil recorded many death of babies and newborns from Covid, what about them? And Covid is proven to increase risk of stillbirth and miscarriage, do you care about those loses?
Where did you get that data from? It doesn't require much of intelligence to realise that as soon as covid pandemic started all other illnesses like flu, heart attack deaths or cancer related deaths magically disappeared. Most people that died of covid died in the hospital due to lack of proper treatment or lack of oxygen whilst connected to respiratos. Medical doctors around the world say that any person who got covid can be recovered fully from it in 3 days! The key is proper treatment which none of the hospitals were sadly providing at a time and I bet they still don't. Such a shame there are still people who believe in this system. The system is broken by corruption, there is no surprise here. I'm shocked still some of you are so naive.
Flu rates are down because of lockdown, social distancing, extra hygiene practices etc.
Cancer deaths etc. are still being recorded and have to be logged correctly by medical professionals. I don't think you're in the medical profession so probably are unaware of the processes and procedures it takes to record a death but there's lots of information available as to why they can't record deaths inaccurately.
You probably also don't have any idea what treatments are being used in hospitals because you don't have any medical knowledge or training. It's an absolute insult to any doctor or nurse working through the pandemic to state that they aren't providing correct treatments to patients or that covid isn't far more serious than you're making it out to be.
You should really be ashamed for spreading misinformation that could potentially lead to someones death due to your fear mongering. I'm shocked that despite any evidence to the contrary you're shown and how've much you're wrong, you will not review your position. I'm hoping that enough people see through your misinformation and ignore what you're writing because your lies will just cause this situation to continue on longer.
I'm well aware of the processes actually. Last year all hospitals had covid death related measures to follow which stated that anyone with positive test who died within 28days of taking the test was signed off as covid death! Even if that was a car accident, heart attack etc. It's easier to say that what I write here is lies simply because it's inconvenient. Honestly I don't care if it is, because it's true. Unbelievable is that in century of such advance technology and access to many medical publications noone is bothered to read them but when anyone actually had, they are called liars. What a sad society, most are just following the herd like sheeps...
What medical publications have you read? You've shared links and info on VAERS but not understood what they're about and you've shared a link saying it is from the covid study when it's the study procedures. If you don't understand how to intrepret something and won't be advised on how to interpret them correctly, then you're providing the wrong information to people.
Read full study report on Pfizer 146pages and then come back to me. It clearly speaks about transmission from vaccinated people onto non vaccinated. Then I'll chat. Otherwise there is no point you just don't get it.
I think I responded to this on another thread, you included a link to a website that asks for contributions towards their traveling fund, so I think that they would not be the best source of information as they could just be putting misleading headlines to drive traffic to their website for profit, they certainly won't be liable for any recompense if you got Covid and got very sick from not having the vaccine.
The link they have shared isn't the study into the vaccine trials, it's the protocols for the study, this has to be in place before the study starts as it has to cover lots of areas for safety and these have to be Approved before the trials can go ahead, the the ethics etc of the trials. They're going to cover over so much stuff so that if they're are any adverse reactions within the participants then the trials can be halted quickly. Most of these they know won't be applicable but they'll be included to cover all bases.
I've taken a screen shot from the Pzizer website which gives you some information on what the protocols are used for.
I would say that if you're not able to tell the difference between a study and a study protocol, maybe you aren't in a position to be telling people what is right and wrong in terms of vaccine safety. You could be stopping people having a potential life saving vaccine because you unwittingly sharing false information.
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Well it is a protocol, nevertheless it had to cover the risks. After reading this in full and knowing that it's still not known how it can affect anyone in long term, let alone unborn child I would never take my chances to find out. Because little do we know after 6months or 1 year we may be told that the spike that is produced in your body after getting the vaccine doesn't actually stop at any point, it grows and grows until its in every organ of your body and then you die of not yet named disease. It's everyone's decision. Part take in something not yet known and take the risk on or stay on the safe side. Choose wisely.
The protocols that are in place for the trials are there exactly to make sure they are safe. If they couldn't show they were adhering to a strict set of rules, they would never be able to trial it on people. For it to have got to where it has got to know the right protocols had to be in place and the trials had to show that the vaccine was safe and working to provide protection against covid-19, without many adverse reactions.
I don't think the developers of the vaccine know little about the vaccines they've created. The scientists developing the vaccines know a lot and they have spent years and years developing their knowledge and expertise.
The actual vaccine itself doesn't stay in your body very long at all, it's removed by your body after only a few hours, so nothing keeps growing and growing and I don't think you'd find any evidence of what you've said being true for this or any other vaccine.
I've already chosen and had both my Pzizer vaccinations, as soon as the guidance from the RCOG changed (which looking at the data that was coming out about the safety of the vaccinations, I was confident it would). I booked mine in straight away. I've seen a very healthy friend of mine hospitalised and ventilated through Covid-19 and several friends very sick with it and some are still suffering with the long term implications of it. It definitely wasn't something I wanted to risk getting without some protection, especially looking at the statistics of hospital admissions of woman in their third trimester with Covid-19 with premature labours and babies going to NICU because of it.
I've also got a toddler that I need to be well for so having a vaccination that would mean less severe symptoms and less chance of long covid, if I do catch it, made absolute sense to me.
I have just had my 28 week scan and baby is doing absolutely fine, kicking away like mad and we're both doing great and feeling well. I'm happy knowing that I've given us both some protection against Covid-19 should we be unlucky enough to catch it.
It's definitely an individual choice to have it or not, but you have to be careful that you're not spreading misinformation to people, because if you're telling people things that aren't true you could unwittingly be putting them at risk. The vaccination trials and protocols that the companies making the vaccines follow are very strict and monitored very closely.
The websites (like on the beautiful world website you referenced) spreading misinformation don't have to adhere to any guidelines or rules, they can say and write what they like without any come back to them. Many of them are looking for some kind of monetary payment so it pays them to put up inflammatory posts to drive traffic to their sites and drive profits, with no regards for the harm they could be doing.
Just to clarify, there has been no trial involving 40k pregnant women. There is observational data from the US which supported what you said above and that was for about 90k women. I wanted to point out as there is a huge difference between a randomised trial and observations. But either way, the data so far supports it being safe.
Pfizer are currently conducting a maternal study to see the effects on pregnancies and children born following vaccination.
You're right the trials into pregnancy are only just starting, I worded my response incorrectly. There was an report published in which they had looked at around 35k of pregnant woman. I understand trials in pregnancy are just starting now, but the preliminary data from this report was very useful for me in deciding whether the vaccine was safe or not during my pregnancy.
The leaflet I got from vaccination centre is few A4 pages long. But you haven't got the vaccine, so how would you know?
So you feel sorry for the babies who not only are not in danger but may actually get some antibodies themselves? And I feel sorry for the few of my friends and family members who died of Covid. And for my close friend who suffers from long Covid. All of this happened before the vaccines were available in case you wonder.
Personally, as Andia1 has said I am breastfeeding and would not have the vaccine! Please read information before making the decision not rely on media but ultimately the decision is yours x
I wish I’d had mine when I was pregnant so baby had a chance to get antibodies, but when I was pregnant they werent giving them to pregnant women and were only vaxxing over 60s x
I didn’t get vaccine I was offered at 34w because I got diagnosed with Gestational diabetes then but wasnt offered it before, didn’t get it I still haven’t had it and my baby is 4w tomorrow I’m not breastfeeding either.
As the risk is going up again - I felt my risk vs benefit was changing and advice on pregnancy was changing - as for what I can see - no ill effects have been reported so far off all the women who got vaccinated - no more than not pregnant people anyway. Of course - it is not known for certain yet, but they will not know for years to come. And who knows if one day they will link it to dementia risk or something. But right here and now - I felt my risk if I caught covid in 3rd trimester was worse than risk of having the vaccine. I spoke to GP and midwife, who sadly can’t advice fully yet due to lack of data (which like say will take years) - so all they can say is no risk identified, but it is my choice as it is not fully known.
I am still going to be careful, but with everything opening up more - more new variants etc. I felt I should try protect myself and baby if I can. It was a hard decision and I cried once I had decided.
Not had baby yet - week 32+1 and still less than a week since I had my first dose of Pfizer - but I feel fine so far. Baby is moving as normal and all well on midwife check up today. I only had a sore arm for two days (slightly worse than other vaccines) but luckily no other side effects!
I just had to trust other vaccines are fine - I know they do not know much yet about mRNA - but again - I felt if I were to get covid now - risk of long covid, they can’t treat me optimally - and risk increases of premature labour and even stillbirth I read - so made me feel for me it was right to have it.
I wish you all the best - and whatever you decide - it has got to be right for you and your family! So don’t let anyone make you feel bad either way!
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Thank you Sparklylife (nice nickname btw!) your response definitely helped. I have same thoughts over risk vs. benefit. It is just difficult to decide when you are responsible for the health of 2. Good luck to all of us to go through these difficult times without any regrets.
Thank you and indeed! Such a difficult one - sadly I fear we will never know what is best really - wish I had a crystal ball 😇 Which is why individually we just have to decide what it “right” for ourselves at the time I suppose and take precautions. Stay safe 🥰
I had the moderna at 26 weeks.... bit of a sore arm after but same level as flu jab and whooping cough jab.
Thank you for sharing this information. I've been a bit on the fence about the COVID 19 vaccination whilst I'm pregnant ( I'm 5 weeks ) and breastfeeding- we both do not feel there is enough data to be certain that there won't be any possible long term effect on our baby. We've had several losses and I'm scared to risk anything. It does surprise me they are saying the vaccine is safe when initially it was not recommended for pregnant ladies I do not know what has changed? Luckily all my family and friends are vaccinated and believe I can keep both of us safe. I know everyone has different opinions but I'm personally uncomfortable with it. Xx
Good decision. I would only advise to avoid contact with freshly vaccinated people as there is a risk of transmission and USA has reported miscarriages due to transmission. Pfizer mentions this as well, I'll try to find a link for you about this. It's better to be safe than sorry. I'm glad they haven't rolled out these vaccines year ago whilst I was pregnant as I wasn't aware of all this back then and probably would have had one too.
Thank you. All my family have already had both their vaccinations except my hubby who is due his second dose August. I'm sure we can find a way to keep me safe. To me there is not enough long term evidence to be really certain it's safe. Thanks for the links they are interesting. If most people are totally vaccinated then I can't see there is a big risk for pregnant women. I'm not an anti Vaxer at all - I am happy to have my second dose but after ( hopefully) I have the baby and am no longer breastfeeding. I've had the flu vaccination when pregnant but that is known to be safe. Xx
Found it. Read through and share with whoever is interested as many information are deleted and censured, especially on Facebook. Take care x
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They had time to complete the research properly - that is exactly what changed. They clearly stated initially not enough was know to recommend in pregnancy (however many high risk pregnant people still chose to have it) as the facts and research was done they are now able to give informed advice it is safe
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Everyone has to make a choice which is right for them. Personally neither me or my hubby are comfortable with the vaccination, we've had 4 losses including one at 20 weeks pregnant so if anything was to go wrong with this pregnancy I don't want to blame myself for it. I've had the first vaccination after my last miscarriage. That's got to give both of us some protection.
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Oh absolutely agree about personal choice and your decisions I did not mean anything personal- I wrote reply to the top of the link which said what has changed between them saying we shouldn’t and should have it. Complete advocate for informed and personal decision making and doing what is best for yourself
I totally agree with you about its a personal decision, and if you've had problem in pregnancy like you have I would definitely be ultra cautious and hugely anxious about everything, especially with Covid around. I can't even begin to imagine what it's been like for you, and you have all my love and hope that you have a lovely healthy pregnancy ❤️
It definitely would have made it a much harder decision for me for sure and I would never say you're doing the wrong thing because you have to make the right choices for you.
I do however think a huge problem with the vaccine is that there's so much misinformation about it. The link that's been posted here for example, the website says its the study into the vaccine, but it isn't the study of the vaccine, it's the protocols for the study, so what they're going to put in place to do the study. So there will be extra things they're looking for to measure the safety to see if there's any effects, they would have to include that because if they didn't and there was any negative effects than the impact could be huge. They include stuff like this so that if there are any issues the trials can be stopped if there any apparent issues with the safety of it.
The website itself that is linked in this thread is from someone who wants you to buy their books and pay a subscription to them so they are making money from people signing up to their site so they'll use and say anything for traffic to their site to make money. They have no invested interest in your health just in lining their own pockets.
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