Vitamin k

[Rkzat23]

Is vitamin k is good for newborn and does it is safe for newborn

[Thingandgeorge]

Vitamin K helps blood to clot so baby doesn't lose too much but if they have a rare bleeding disorder. I world accept for baby if dr recommends it.

[ChrisWest1983]

I am worried about the same thing as the K shot dosages they give to newborn is soooooooo big (I think I read somewhere that it's around 20000 daily dosages packed in that one shot) . I am thinking about orally giving it to my newborn. I know that it's needed for blood to clot - so if I'll have premie then i will accept the shot but otherwise I am thinking to deny it.

I would love also to hear what other ladies think about it.

[Kellyjack1379 in reply to ChrisWest1983]

Hey. I don't accept any vaccinations for my child. The ingredients are shocking. They are not safe. I got the first batch of oral vitamin K injections for my 2 year old but refused anymore.

I done my own research about the Vitamin K and all other vaccinations. Dr Tenpenny is a good person to start with. Find her theory's online and her Facebook page. Also learntherisk.org

You may have heard that Jim Carey and Robert De niro are 2 of the many celebs that disagree with the current vaccination ingredients

Good luck in your research

[roxannacar in reply to Kellyjack1379]

Because Jim Carey and Robert de Niro are medical experts?

I also find it strange that countries like the UK (NHS health) fork out millions to pay for vaccines for children. Surely if the outcomes were so terrible they wouldn't bother wasting their money. But I'm sure I'm wasting my breathe cause you've done your "research".

[Hidden]

Aww they are only in the world a few seconds then have needle stuck in them! I am not sure to be honest I have always accepted it and my babies haven't had a reaction or shown any adverse affects. It's a vitamin shot so isn't the worst thing they give. It's more the vaccines that bother me as my youngest had a severe reaction to the MMR so will be getting that done individually as separate vaccines privately for this child x

[ChrisWest1983 in reply to Hidden]

Have you had your flu and whooping cough vaccines whilst pregnant? (My midwife encouraged me to get the whooping cough now but thing I hate is that it's a combo vaccine and not whooping cough only as they call it. Also back where I come from no pregnant woman receives neither of them.)

[Hidden in reply to ChrisWest1983]

I haven't had the whooping cough one no but I had the flu one and I was so ill for literally weeks and weeks after. My youngest son also had the Nasel flu vaccine and he had a bad reaction to that also and was ill for weeks and weeks. I don't want the whooping cough one to be honest. Was never offered it in previous pregnancies think it's a recent thing. I've always vaccinated all my kids but my son had such a bad reaction to the MMR it really scares me now.

[roxannacar]

Vitamin k is given as babies don't have much storage of it and milk including breast milk doesn't have large amounts of it. It's safe and in the UK it is recommended to avoid blood problems (haemolytic disease) which although rare is tragic with high mortality rate.

The flu and whooping cough are given separately, flu vaccine when it's flu season and whooping cough around 28-32 weeks. The problem is that they normally get this vaccine at 2 months, but there was an increase of whooping cough in babies before they got to it, hence why it's advised in the pregnant mum to boost babies immunity.

My daughter had all the vaccines blood tests etc she needed so far, even had to have an extra TB one. Honestly all the vaccines were more painful on me than on her. The only one she struggled with was the men B where she had a temp for several days, but if deceased the chances of her ever getting it, then it's worth it. People who's children weren't in the programme have been fighting to increase the age range due to the severity of this illness and poor outcomes of children survive.

[Hidden in reply to roxannacar]

My son had a severe reaction to the MMR and changed into a different child within days so no I don't trust all vaccines just because some kids are ok with them. 2 of mine were but with my 3rd with him he was screaming in pain for weeks after and began regressing developmentally so to me it has to be the parents choice. My sons life will never be the same again thanks to that and no amount of saying the vaccines are safe will convince me. We saw it happen. It has to be a parents choice if they do or don't do it and thankfully it still is.

[Oliversmum]

I opted for the vit k injection at birth. I have also had the flu jab and whooping cough injections.

The way I looked at it, NHS wouldn't be recommending and providing these vaccines free of charge if they weren't effective - in fact they have both been proven to be.

You also need to ask yourself if you didn't take the Drs advice, didn't have the vaccinations and you got Flu which lead to a miscarriage would you forgive yourself? If your baby caught whooping cough and died could you live with yourself? My answers to these questions were no so I took the jabs. Same thing with the vit k.

I also discussed with my nurse who advised this year there was no mercury in the flu jab and the ingredients for vaccines in the U.K. Are different to the USA which is where most of the hate propaganda comes from.

Katiekatie has a point that not all vaccines suit everyone but it's all about managing risk and no one can read the future. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with.

[ChrisWest1983 in reply to Oliversmum]

I have been thinking about it lots. And I have asked myself those questions a lot too... and there's info out there that makes me doubt all the time about what's the best

About flu jab - yes, I read that it did not contain preservative thiomersal (mercury). So happy about it as I had that vaccine! (Though I never get ill and neither got this winter so not sure if it was thanks to the vaccine or my immune system)

But now I wonder about the Whooping cough... if that's what's so dangerous for babies then why can't we pregnant women have only this one vaccine to protect them - instead they give us 4in1 vaccine (also to protect from polio, diphtheria and tetanus) and on top of that :The manufacturer's leaflet says there's no information on the use of Boostrix IPV in pregnancy 😭

NHS states that whooping cough highest outbreak was in 2012 in England and it reached high number of outbreaks in babies: 400 got it and 14 died.

I did my research and calculations - in 2012 in UK combined there were 813,000 live births. Let's take away 59,000 in Scotland and 25,000 in Wales. Now number is 730,000 births. 400 babies out of this number is 0,05% and died 0,001%

I was born in ex Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and I got all vaccines made in USSR (lots of them- I think 27 or something) and I am fine. So are my all siblings.

These days many vaccines are made all around the world. Sometimes our country gets for example that anti papilloma virus vaccine from USA for fee as a gift - so I start to wonder about few things... I spoke to my sister in law and she noticed that ther daughter who is 2,5 years old after one of vaccine and its sideffects became more introvert and less talkative. Let's hope it's nothing serious. Also Katie says that her child had an averse reaction. I really wonder how safe the vaccines are, but obviously doctors will push to have them all - that's what they have been taught to do and that's what they must advise otherwise they can loose their job.

I must make my decision in next few weeks...

[Hidden in reply to ChrisWest1983]

For my son I think the fact I had an undiagnosed thyroid condition whilst carrying him actually had a major impact though. Thing is there is also a problem with the newborn heel prick test they do for congenital hypothyroidism. If a child is at the bottom of the range they are still classed as normal and pass it despite them having a poor and weakened thyroid function. There are essential thyroid hormoanes that need testing during these tests and they are TSH, T4, T3 and raised antibodies. The NHS do not test all. They do not test T3 hormones or antibodies during this test so many kids have a genetic weakness there which is undiagnosed and they have a more severe reaction to live vaccines. The most common type of thyroid disorder is called hashimotos and that is caused by raised antibodies. Raised antibodies causes an underlying weakness and if a kid with this is injected with live viruses because it's an autoimmune disease they are going to have a more severe reaction to children who do not. Adults with autoimmune disease thyroid disorders can have severe reactions to live viruses so babies are going to get it much worse.

[Hidden in reply to ChrisWest1983]

It has to be your decision and only yours but I would say research as much as possible , good and bad because if I had a magic wand and could go back in time I would. I just blindly followed what I was told and had 2 other kids who were fine with the vaccines. It was only the MMR he reacted to though, non of the others although he also cannot tolerate the flu vaccine and neither can I. The life changing one was the MMR. My son has severe autism, he had no developmental problems before at all. His eye contact stopped within weeks and he went into a world of his own. I have to live with having done that to him forever which is devastating. He was a super bright baby who just changed completely. Of course I still love and adore him he is my little boy but life is a struggle for him now daily thanks to that and yes I can pin point it to that injection. I've spoken to people who have not accepted one vaccine for their child and that's their decision. I have and always had all my kids vaccinated have but it's all about cost to them. Although they spend millions on vaccines it's a lot cheaper than a massive outbreak of each virus to the NHS. If one in 300 gets a bad reaction to a vaccine, they don't care it's still cheaper.I intend to get this child vaccinated but will not be getting the combined MMR not blindly but for a good reason and don't have to justify it to anyone. They will not bully me over it.

[Oliversmum in reply to ChrisWest1983]

When I had the whooping cough with my son it was that alone. This time it was combined.

My way of thinking was:

-it is important I have this whooping cough

-it done no harm in my previous pregnancy

-I've had the rest of the vaccines, so this is just a booster, and passing in some extra antibodies into baby

Try not to drive yourself mad and listen to your instincts. Do what you feel comfortable with.